Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

SuNcO — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:24:01 GMT

In the same webpage you can see an Acid3 test

http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3

lame

Tihiy — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:46:42 GMT

Here's the result:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4772/lameoc4.jpg

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Ian Hicksoan — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:55:17 GMT

But if it's failing -- for whatever reason, cross-domain or not -- you should fallback. Hence the current behaviour is still a bug. :-)

(BTW why would it be a cross-domain problem? This should be exactly the same as an iframe, which can cross domains fine.)

Acid 3

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:58:32 GMT

How well does IE8 pass the just released Acid 3 test at http://acid3.acidtests.org/ ?

Thanks

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

sonicdoommario — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:01:56 GMT

IE8 scored a 17/100 for me at Acid3. Hey, it did over 3 times better than what IE7 did, and we're in beta, so it's bound to rise up a couple more points.

Acid 3 on IE6

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:08:26 GMT

IE6 scores 12/100 in Acid3 in my tests (no IE7 to test where I am). It stops at 5 and after a short break it jumps up to 12. Firefox 2 scored 50/100.

Internet explorer 8 SÍ pasa el test Acid2

meneame.net — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:10:30 GMT

Microsoft explica en su blog que sí pasan el test acid2, un test acid 2 concreto, el de www.webstandards.org con las 3w!!!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

FarStrider — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:16:57 GMT

why arent openDns short cuts not working ie7 or 8?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Jon — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:27:23 GMT

Re:Ian Hicksoan

I think the relevant point is that IE8 "uses IE’s rendering engine as an ActiveX to display this HTML content, the same cross domain security checks also apply." E.g. it's picking up the standard security measures that apply to embedded ActiveX controls. Presumably IFRAMES are not rendered in this way, and so don't suffer from the problem.

I agree though that if IE can't render the contents, for security reasons or whatever, then it should fallback. How can this not be what the web developer intended? If they've supplied a resource to embed and a fallback, and IE isn't able to embed the resource, then it should display the fallback. Seems logical to me.

Well done

Alexandre — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:30:27 GMT

Well done!

Even with this small detail, I appreciate the colossal progress since IE7.

This is great for both users and Web developers, and I can only hope the development will not stop there.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

JeromeLapointe — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:35:55 GMT

The idea is to get the Acid2 working... and it pretty much is. If it was to be release that way it would already be a huge improvement on IE7.

Nightly or Weekly Builds

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:36:26 GMT

Will nightly or weekly builds be available so that we can see progress as it happens?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

John V — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:54:03 GMT

Wow, I'm impressed by the fact that it's rendering the acid2 correctly. I'm sure you guys will work out appropriate fallbacks / implementations!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Jim — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:09:39 GMT

For IE7 and ACID3 I got: 14/100

The rendering was seriously messed up (boxes and off-color elements everywhere).

For IE8B1 and ACID3 I got 17/100.

The rendering was much better. The blocks showed up and appeared to be pretty correct size but were all black and gray (no color).

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Steven George — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:09:42 GMT

Well done. I think you guys are accomplishhing great things.

SVG please!

Marc — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:55:39 GMT

I understood why you didn't include SVG support in IE7. There was too much to fix and too many things more important to fix. But I find it astounding that the IE team has still failed to provide support for SVG.

IE is the only mainstream browser left that doesn't support this standard and you're holding back the entire web development community.

Please provide us with some indication of when we can expect SVG support. Will it be sometime this decade?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Kelson — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:44:24 GMT

Wouldn't it make more sense, if IE decides to block loading a resource, to use the fallback behavior? After all, that's what fallback is for! It provides alternate content in the event that the preferred content cannot be displayed for some reason.

IE8 does not pass ACID3 Test

Acid Tester — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:57:40 GMT

It's a shame that it doesn't pass the new Acid test that was just released...Hope the final does...

re: IE8 does not pass ACID3 Test

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:52:33 GMT

No browser passes the Acid 3 test as of today.

It is a little misleading..

BTreeHugger — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:02:47 GMT

I almost completely agree with you on this one, but shouldn't it inform the user in some way that an attempt was made to perform cross-site scripting? It would be a lot more useful to have the equivalent of the media bar drop down and inform the user that they might be viewing an insecure page.

There just falling back is "ok", but misleading - a novice web author is unlikely to realize that the reason their fallback (if any) is displaying is because of security issues, not a lack of innate support for the object in question. A simple permission-request would be greatly superior here, in addition to falling back.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Jorgie — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:07:59 GMT

"It's a shame that it doesn't pass the new Acid test that was just released...Hope the final does..."

LOL... ACID3 is based on a PRE-STANDARD that will still change. You cannot ding something for not following standards when the thing you are talking about IS NOT A STANDARD.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Rob — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:37:54 GMT

I ran the Acid 3 test using Flock and got 50 out of 100. I thought IE8 was supposed to be more like flock, yet I can only get 8 out of 100 with IE8.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

PatriotB — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:08:00 GMT

I agree with the opinion that the cross-site navigation should trigger fallback, but must point out that the fact that there is a cross-site navigation only on the copies makes them semantically different than the "official" test. IE8 passes the "official" Acid2 test on www.webstandards.org *, and hopefully the fallback issue will be fixed so that the copies pass as well.

*except for a minor issue where the bottom section of the nose doesn't seem to trigger hover

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Thomas Thomassen — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:29:55 GMT

"To maintain compatibility and be secure by default we didn’t want to invoke fallback either, as original web authors might not have intended this behavior."

How do you reason that? In what scenarios are fallback provided but not intended to be used?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Mitch 74 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:47:14 GMT

Considering the problem and why IE8 'fails' on the copies of the test, I'd say the IE team is right to consider it at least a partial success: had the Acid2 designers created the test in a way to look for any sort of 404 error, then the original URL wouldn't have been http://www.webstandards.org.

However, and this is where I think the IE security model is harming the implementation, since the content of the OBJECT tag can't be retrieved (whether it's a 404 error or a 'rendering fails' error), IE should fallback - and display the eyes in any case.

Let's get real, other browsers also look for cross-site scripting possibilities and yet don't fail the test.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Alex — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:24:10 GMT

Strange... It did pass ACID2 for me without any changes at all. Almost fresh an installation of XP SP3 in VirtualPC. Just installed IE8 over and reboot and visit ACID2 tests..

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Troll — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:29:38 GMT

I got an idea just fix IE8 to do what firefox does and not require WWW and retarded ass cross security checks FOR EVERYTHING WE DO NORMALLY.... just a thought... maybe if you do that youll take back the web from firefox..... nah just kidding... cause you wont do it anyway

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Alex — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:33:03 GMT

Sorry, it's not strange. I didn't read this completely :)

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:37:13 GMT

why in heavens name are you working on IE8 when IE7 is still a cesspool of bugs and such things that it is still one of the most useless browsers out there. mozilla and opera crush you in superiority and bug fixing in fact the number of bugs i encounter in ie greatly surpass the bugs in both opera 9.5 and mozilla firefox combined which is sad for your team really what are you guys doing you suck drop out of the contest as randy jackson would put it.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Lachlan Hunt — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:46:34 GMT

I really hoped you would drop the flawed, ActiveX insecurity model in favour of something more useful and less annoying.

Data URIs don't work as expected either. Although they work when used within, e.g., <img src="data:...">, they don't work when entered into the address bar.

What the hell is Acid test?

Niyaz PK — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:06:17 GMT

I agree that acid tests are a standard way to measure the standards compliance of web browsers. But they are not the end of the world.

Thanks for the clarification any way.

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re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Shresht — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:00:44 GMT

Using the URL that you gave, making IE full-screen messes it up.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Highway of Life — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:06:26 GMT

You can’t patch holes in your boat with duct tape.

You can’t expect ship designers to develop waterproof cabins because your ship has a tendency to sink.

If it’s not working right, don’t patch it. Build it correctly from the beginner or use something else.

The current implementation of ActiveX is and has been an utter failure, and these false sense of security and the security issues that come with it, something else needs to be used to render ActiveX.

All other major browsers: Safari 3, Firefox 3, Opera 9 pass the Acid 2 test without a problem and perfectly. With IE8 just coming out, there is no reason it should not be passing the test, even for "Security" reasons. -- Those other browsers do not have these security issues.

Passing the test is only valid if it renders the test correctly in browser default settings (i.e. not in "standards compliance mode")

IE holds 70% of the market share. Microsoft, build something that web developers don’t have to pull their hair out to render correctly. Build something that complies with standards and you make the world a better place. You’ll make the inhabitants of your ship feel a lot more secure knowing that you built the ship correctly from aft to stern.

- Highway

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

debasys — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:07:38 GMT

For me, on a fresh install of IE8 in Vista Home, it passed ACID 2 test happily!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

meravilm — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:10:55 GMT

It passes acid2 at http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top but what about the last version of acid2 test at : http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test_1-3.html#top ?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

rickymallory — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:27:09 GMT

It's all just another Microsoft cover-up, They cover up their tracks for everything. and it's not as if the public will ever get to find out!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Jan — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:45:43 GMT

I would like to make a suggestion for the address bar. Ie8 highlights a portion of the address. I would suggestion to also highligh the subdomain. i.e. not only msdn.com but blogs.msdn.com. This part is often very relevant, think about blogspot pages <name>.blogspot.com or connect.microsoft.com. The subdomain should be highlighted as well. You could decide to make an exception when the subdomain is www. then default to the current behavior.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Ryster — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:54:39 GMT

@ Highway of Life

IE8 passes the OFFICIAL test in my freshly installed copy of IE8 beta operating with default settings.

If it doesn't pass for you, then you are either not using the official test at www.webstandards.org , or you have IE8 running in IE7 Emulation mode.

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re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

wisemx — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:06:14 GMT

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re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

bungle — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:07:17 GMT

@ Ryster

Please read Ian Hicksoan reply in this post. He clearly says that it's still buggy (one of the creators of this test):

"But if it's failing -- for whatever reason, cross-domain or not -- you should fallback. Hence the current behaviour is still a bug. :-)"

MS should throw away their ActiveX quirks and support standards natively. For example XHR is not a native Javascript object in IE7 (I have not checked IE8 on this).

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Marius — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:21:50 GMT

it is still preaty buggy

hope to see new features like:

-SVG

-spellcheck

and performance tweaks on javascript etc...

performance is poor when comparing to latest Safari 3.1 (from ADC Apple) or with Opera 9.5

There is still a long way to go until we see a good browser from Microsoft.

but this is just my opinion of course there are problems on other browsers too so keep up with what the community wants to see in the next version.

Good Luck!

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Internet Explorer 8 Beta Fails The Acid2 and Acid3 Test

Apoorv Khatreja — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:05:23 GMT

IE 8 fails the Acid3 test, clearly. It scores a 17/100. A screenshot over here -

http://rutsum.com/internet-explorer-8-beta-fails-the-acid2-and-acid3-test

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

SVG — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:07:31 GMT

SVG Support Please

Please Support SVG

Support SVG Please

Please SVG Support

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Sagi Arsyad — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:18:42 GMT

well, I've try acid 2 test

not 100% pass, see picture on my blogs post

http://geeks.netindonesia.net/blogs/sagiarsyad/archive/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1.aspx

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Andrei Moraru — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:36:12 GMT

Hmmm.... nice explanation. A very good result for the first beta.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

billybob — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:04:51 GMT

ActiveX biting you in the ass again? All I can say is you guys really really deserve it :D

When can we expect more HTML5 support as well as support for canvas and SVG?

You are still WAY behind the pack so I hope we will see a lot more work in the coming months. This release looks like an alpha build which is just designed to push Live services through the new Activities feature.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Marco Aurélio — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:17:18 GMT

Great job! But please, fix the PNG gamma correction. Also, add support for SVG.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

bob — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:24:36 GMT

this excuse sounds suspiciously like "we fixed it to only work on this official page"

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Whoever — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:42:22 GMT

Just go to Tools>Internet Options>Security>Custom Level and change the "Access data source across domains" setting.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Will Peavy — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:47:39 GMT

I noticed getElementById reads name attributes in IE8 Beta 1. Are there plans to update this to so that getElementByID only reads id attributes?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Stu — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:53:04 GMT

So not having a fallback is bad. OTOH so many people on this page and others are not understanding Acid 3: None of the browsers pass yet.

The point was to find areas that all browsers are weak in, that if fixed could improve web development.

So yes ie8 gets 17/100, but no other browser gets 100/100, they do a little better than ie8; but hopefully the ie team will get some more points on the test (without cheating "for security").

(And hopefully they'll sort out the fallback thing and really pass Acid 2)

Safari Developers and Acid 3

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:05:20 GMT

As far as other browsers, the nightly Safari seems to pass Acid 3 90/100, but the Safari team are the developers who created the test, so I expect that it is somewhat skewed. While they did solicit tests from the outside world, the bottom line is that you can't expect the fox to guard the hen house well. I assume that tests can be created that IE does much better on than Safari. In addition, Acid 3 is very heavily a JavaScript (I mean Ecma Script) test, and I did not hear that any JavaScript enhancements are part of IE8 beta 1. I expect this to be part of later releases.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Stifu — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:26:03 GMT

Stu: IE8 got 17/100, while the WIP version of other browsers are roughly between 60/100 and 90/100. I don't think that's just "a little better", they're in a totally different league.

Sure, the Acid3 only tests 100 specific points, but still, it gives a good idea of how good browsers are when it comes to standards compliance.

But yeah, tests are interesting, but they don't cover everything. For example, look at IE8... It (almost) passes Acid2 now, but that doesn't make it more standards-compliant than Firefox 2 (which doesn't pass the test). Actually, IE8 can't even compete with good old Firefox 1 on the other compliance tests (Acid3, CSS3 selectors, etc).

Anyway, it's only the first beta of IE8, and it's obviously going to get better... We'll soon find out how much better.

re: Safari Developers and Acid 3

Harmless — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:03:24 GMT

"As far as other browsers, the nightly Safari seems to pass Acid 3 90/100, but the Safari team are the developers who created the test, so I expect that it is somewhat skewed."

Um. No, the Safari team did not create the Acid tests. But, yes, the test is skewed - in that the creators included extra tests that would *fail* in WebKit (aka Safari):

http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1204593554&count=1

"I had to go the extra mile to get WebKit to score low!"

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

lester — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:17:29 GMT

It seems they have just hardcoded a reference image for the test on http://www.webstandards.org and show it instead of real rendering, since their browser show such a looser standard compliance :)

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

wai — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:27:56 GMT

It would be nice if IE 8 support drag and drop of text from page to the url address box and search box. Keep going and it is really good job :-)

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Turnaround Time — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:32:01 GMT

What is the turnaround time to find out if I am elite enough to submit bugs to the IE Feedback site?

I think this approach is not working out. Many talented developers are waiting to submit bugs but have not been approved yet.

Thanks.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

bugs — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:38:01 GMT

xp+IE8 DPI setting：120 DPI

ok,what do you see？

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

unhappy — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:43:16 GMT

Nevermind Acid2, how about that when I installed IE8, a single click *anywhere in the application* caused it to crash.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:16:32 GMT

@Jorgie:

"ACID3 is based on a PRE-STANDARD that will still change. You cannot ding something for not following standards when the thing you are talking about IS NOT A STANDARD."

Are you sure about that? AFAIK, only Candidate Recommendations up to 2004 are used in Acid3, which means IE (considering the 17 score) is still years behind.

re: Safari Developers and Acid 3

Rag — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:26:38 GMT

My mistake. Ian Hicksoan ( http://ian.hixie.ch/ ) who developed the test works for Google, another Microsoft loving company, who coincidentally use Webkit (the Safari engine) in their upcoming phone.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:31:12 GMT

@Unhappy: Did you try starting IE without addons? http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp

@Will Peavy: For Standards/Strict mode pages, the behavior of getElementById was made standards-compliant. For Quirks mode pages, it was left compatible.

@bungle: XMLHTTPRequest is a "native" Javascript object in IE7 and IE8.

@Jan: Stay tuned to the IEBlog for further discussion of the domain-highlighting feature.

@Lachlan Hunt: DataURLs are deliberately restricted for security purposes. Other browsers have had to patch to close some of their implementation holes.

We'll discuss this issue further in a later post on the IEBlog.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

jwbaker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:46:47 GMT

What bothers me about MSIE8 is not that it doesn't pass the hundreds of complicated tests in Acid 3, it's that MSIE8 doesn't implement even the simplest of standard DOM properties and methods that have been standards for more than five years. For example, MSIE8 doesn't have the tBodies property of HTMLTableElement. This is basic functionality that could probably be implemented by an intern in half a day. Why can't you even get the basics right?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

andyeff — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:35:33 GMT

@bugs - I think I see the same as you (XP + 120dpi) - every single image on every page horribly scaled up.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Thomas Krause — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:31:56 GMT

My advice on the cross domain problem is to fallback. I believe this is what most web developers would expect. Of course if you find that the cross domain loading is safe to do, I'm also fine with that. But the behaviour should always be to render the content or to do the fallback, but never to fail silently. After all this is what the fallback was intended for (to provide alternative rendering in case of errors).

Also if the standard is not clear on certain issues, you should at least try to find an implementation that is consistent with the other major browsers/engines (mozilla, webkit, etc.), so that us web developers doesn't have to remember all the different implementation details for every browser.

If you're still not sure involve the community BEFORE you make a decision.

It is great that you do seem to listen on feedback now, but I think a lot of negative feedback on this blog in the past could have been avoided if you involved the community earlier in decision making process.

Anyway, so far I'm very proud of the IE team for finally making some real progress.

P.S.: Please add SVG support...

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Jeff — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:11:25 GMT

If this plus that plus something else makes IE8 work correctly. How about you just make it work for once eh?!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

jun — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:14:23 GMT

fallback is logical. no fallback is illogical sense you aren't loading the resource

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re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

AkitaOnRails — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:30:39 GMT

I use WebKit Nightly Build as my primary browser (yes, much better than IE7). Of course, it is a beta, but a very stable beta I should add. And at this point it scores 89/100 in the Acid3 test.

The stable Safari 3 also scores around 39/100, which is already better than IE8 Beta 1.

Both Safari 3 and WebKit renders 100% correctly ACID2 test as well.

You DO have a very very long way to catch up.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Daniel — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:55:40 GMT

Has anyone else noticed bugs in the IE 7 emulation mode? If I'm not mistaken, IE 8 in IE 7 emulation mode renders Acid2 and Acid3 more poorly than IE 7. Actually, instead of an "emulation mode," I'd rather see IE 8 ship with both the IE 7 and IE 8 versions of Trident and the ability to change rendering engines on the fly, similar to how Netscape 8 used both Trident and Gecko and was able to switch engines on the fly.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

thenonhacker — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:11:19 GMT

I think I have to agree with the decision of the IE Team to put higher priority on ActiveX control security rules.

Furthermore:

</object>

1. This code has a workaround (use a valid domain name).

2. I do not see myself using that piece of code for a critical CSS design DOH!!!

3. Domain Access security rule is fair and more important.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Ben — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:59:03 GMT

How about we work on Acid3 now.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Bestm80eva — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:54:58 GMT

Microsoft drop IE and embedded Firefox into your OS and make this world a better place.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

pavs — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:51:03 GMT

It's funny because Readwriteweb talks about IE8 wonders and their own site doesnt render properly under IE8. You can see it here:

http://www.windowhaxor.net/2008/03/06/why-internet-explorer-8-still-sucks-balls/

Or look at the how IE8 compares to other browsers interms of Acid2 test. oper and Netscape corretly renders Acids2 test but IE7-8 doesnt.

http://www.windowhaxor.net/2008/03/07/acid-2-test-ie7-vs-ie8-vs-firefox2-vs-safari-vs-opera-vs-netscape/

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Tim — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:19:29 GMT

If you have high DPI, images are fuzzy, I tried setting the USEHR key in the registry but no luck

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:44:17 GMT

Ok so how long must the web community wait until we get vector imaging support (via SVG)? We have been stuck with raster images long enough!!!!

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Rag — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:11:09 GMT

I don't believe that they have any plans on supporting SVG (even though it is part of Acid 3). Hardly anyone uses SVG anyways. It is supported in IE via a plugin from Adobe if you really need it.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Highway of Life — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:57:50 GMT

How can you say hardly anyone uses SVG when wikipedia uses it extensively?

Why are so many people requesting SVG support if nobody uses it?

It’s because we (as web designers and developers) have to use alternatives because Microsoft didn’t give their browsers proper support, support that other browsers have had now for years.

This support should have been in IE7, and we still don’t get it in IE8. What’s wrong with this picture?

It’s also why we’ve had to make IE hacks to *make* IE function like a normal browser, and at that, it does a poor job.

@ Ryster :: And no, IE8 does *NOT* pass the Acid2 test in default settings, that is what this Blog post is about. I’m not the only one that has not had it pass in default settings. Look at the countless others.

Resize the window for acid2

Mike Patch — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:44:50 GMT

IE 8 does not pass acid2 when you resize the window down to a smaller size you start getting a block out of place as in Sagi's screenshot : http://geeks.netindonesia.net/blogs/sagiarsyad/archive/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1.aspx

When you resize down further so that part of the face is 'below the fold' you don't get scrollbars to be able to scroll to see the rest of the face. FF3 handles the scrolling ok.

Still as a web dev I'm estatic to see MS finally get back into the standards game and I'm sure these nitpicky things will be fixed by final.

About IE8's PNG Gamma correction

Daybreaker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:48:05 GMT

I've tested my homepage on IE8, and found that a png background whose gamma chunk has been removed is displayed with no gamma correctly, but the background color with that png image *is* gamma-corrected so that the background seems darker than the image.

The former behaviour of IE6/IE7 was that background is not gamma-corrected, I remember.

I think the gamma correction of background color should follow its background image's setting.

If current behavior of IE8 still continues at final release, web designers who uses png as background images will have to make two versions of png.

I hope you fix this problem.

(But I wonder that if multiple png backgrounds which have different gamma settings for a single element as specified in CSS3's multiple background is applied to IE or other browsers, what settings it should follow.)

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

ie8 — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:21:19 GMT

Was really excited to install IE8,hoping that I will not have to swear every morning about IE6 and 7...

knowing that it is a beta I was waiting for some bugs but hey, it is not 'some' but hell of bugs...

This is funny because, IE8

ask me if I accept to install products from...

Microsoft...

Javascript must be very wrong as many websites just don't work...

Yahoo tells me that I need a better browser (IE8 certainly not detected as superior to IE6 on their part but anyway, the end message is not wrong)

In the end I switch back to emulate IE7 and well, we'll go back to Firefox.(Safari is good, don't like the interface...)

hope things are going to be fixed, especially on the javascript side where things are just unsane...

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Webdesign — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:50:51 GMT

Stu: IE8 got 17/100, while the WIP version of other browsers are roughly between 60/100 and 90/100. I don't think that's just "a little better", they're in a totally different league.

Sure, the Acid3 only tests 100 specific points, but still, it gives a good idea of how good browsers are when it comes to standards compliance.

Anyway, it's only the first beta of IE8, and it's obviously going to get better... We'll soon find out how much better.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Rag — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:02:09 GMT

"How can you say hardly anyone uses SVG when wikipedia uses it extensively?"

Is that the extent of you WWW? Who cares if that one site uses it? In any case the wikipedia works just fine in IE. That said, if they used Flash or some other technology would you want that also included in IE8 natively? Would you also like to force IE to be able to show ODF documents (it was ratified by some standards body, so I assume that you would expect it supported like SVG)?

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Byron — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:34:37 GMT

“Who cares if that one site uses it (SVG)?”

Sorry to say but it seems that you miss the point my friend. It is NOT one site; it is W3C that supports SVG. Do you enjoy HTML and XML, if yes then you have to thank W3C for it.

I think that W3C Members have at least the moral obligation to support and not undermine the decisions of the consortium. After all Microsoft joined forces with the rest of W3C in an effort to build a vector format that betrayed later.

Vector graphics must find their way to the web and Microsoft is the only obstacle.

Just inspect the DOM of the routing services of Live Search, Google Maps and Yahoo Maps. The lines you see are VML in IE and SVG in all other browsers because none else supports VML, and this is a tiny application of what web-maps can provide.

Now imagine yourself in the position of web-mapping developer and you will, hopefully, understand what we are talking about.

If you can’t or you just didn’t had the time to understand what SVG means please be more careful with your comments.

Take care.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

zep — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:47:26 GMT

Vector graphics already finded their way to the "Microsoft web". It's Silverlight ;)

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Byron — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:14:41 GMT

Good point Zep, but let me borrow a phrase from Rag:

“Is that the extent of you(r) WWW?”

Even if the answer is yes, here is what I think will happen:

Microsoft is building Silverlight and Adobe is building Flex. Although I’m not very familiar yet with these technologies I suspect that in some point in the future their paths will collide and they are going to fight each other to death. So, Microsoft will have to consume huge amounts of corporate resources to fight a war with (lets be fair) 50% chances to win. In the mean time users and developers will be divided and vectors will wait for the winner. But even when there is a winner little will happen because both Silverlight and Flex will be proprietary and developers always will look for alternatives (although Flex is doing serious moves towards open source). Also, please don’t downplay the possibility that U.S. courts and EU Commissions will congratulate the winner with a multi-billion penalty for not being “market-friendly”.

On the other hand you can just support an open and international standard and make people come and work for you: “CrowdSourcing”. That way the only thing that Microsoft will have to do is spend a tiny amount of resources in providing the means for users and developers. Keep in mind that with this strategy you are a winner from the beginning because you have both developers + users (=‘customers’) on your side and you don’t have to persuade anyone to choose you.

…but these are just my thoughts.

Take care.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Eralper — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:13:42 GMT

Hello,

I have installed the IE8 Beta1 on my Windows XP Professional SP2 computer. And my IE8 succeeded in passing the ACID2 test.

Here you can find screenshots of the acid 2 test results for my installation IE8Beta1

http://www.kodyaz.com/blogs/software_development_blog/archive/2008/03/07/905.aspx

I tried again and if it seems as failing a Crtl+F5 a Refresh will correct the problems.

It seems that the Web Standards Project has issued the Acid 3 test for web browsers.

You can reach Acid2 from http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

IE8 failed in this test.

Low Scores on Acid 3

twitter — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:48:05 GMT

Why no listing of these results?

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/09/2136242

And, yes, I expect companies to provide their customers for support of patent and royalty free formats like Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora. It would be so much easier if you people would just play nice.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

David Walker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:44:23 GMT

"Do you enjoy HTML and XML, if yes then you have to thank W3C for it."

How about thanking IBM, who designed GML and SGML (Generalized Markup Language and Standardized GML) for the word-processing program called Script, many, many years ago?

XML looks very much like an outgrowth of GML to me, and I think that has been officially acknowledged.

re: Why Isn't IE8 Passing Acid2?

Byron — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:01 GMT

I don’t disagree with that.

Definitely GML (probably from: "Goldfarb, Mosher and Lorie") and SGML (I think the nick name was "Sounds Good Maybe Later") qualify as the "grandfathers" of Markup Languages but the true realization happened with HTML, XML and W3C.

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