IE7 for the World

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msrules — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:40:43 GMT

Great work guys! I won't be able to use IE 7 though until Vista ships since I'm currently not a Windows user. I plan on buying Vista when it comes out and it'll be great to use in virtualization-type tools. If that doesn't work, there's always dual-booting.

In any case, Microsoft has regained one customer that left a few years ago. Keep up the awesome work!

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David William Wrixon — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:45:05 GMT

Thanks for your quick response.

Megjelent az Internet Explorer 7

Exit blogja — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:49:27 GMT

Az előzetes pletykáknak megfelelően október 18-án, két publikus béta és egy RC után, a Microsoft kiadata az IE7 stabil verzióját. A magyar változat még várat magára, de az angol már letölthető (és várhatóan hamarosan megjelenik a Windows Update-en is)

IE7 正式版リリース（英語バージョン）

ナオキにASP.NET（仮） — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:16:58 GMT

aspxの日記(ASP++ブログ) by Moo と IEBlog で知りました。 ■IE7へようこそ IE7 for the World 肝腎の日本語版はどうなの？と言うとこんな感じになっているようです。

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Firefox — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:28:51 GMT

MS! Have a look at "Firefox" and compare to IE7 Theme! Horrible!! I used to love IE but everything about it now just sucks!! Until, you guys come up with something really good with IE8 I'm not gonna use IE!!

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Hillary — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:34:04 GMT

Thank you for making the ClearType setting part of the Installation!

It was quite frustrating to have to go into settings, and restart for every beta to turn off the BlurryType(TM).

Yes, I'm one of the several thousand that find it makes my eyes strain to read the text. My optomitrist will thank you too!

Hill

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Mike Simon — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:37:23 GMT

Congratulations!! Thanks for all the improvements!

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Scott Cadillac — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:38:59 GMT

Nice, but where's the download link?

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Steve — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:41:28 GMT

So, now that Feedback is closed, where do we submit the bugs?

I've just finished testing 30 of the bugs that were active, and all of them are still broken!

When will it re-open? Will it be improved so that users can actually assist the developers, and users can test bug test cases?

What's most annoying about this, is that I can't point people to the public bug cases that were being tracked anymore.

So when a developer comes by and says, "hey, did you know that blah blah blah doesn't work, I can't even get them to vote for it, in hopes that it will get attention!

re: IE7 for the World

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:41:56 GMT

@Scott: http://install7.com will point you to the official site: http://www.microsoft.com/ie

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Steve — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:48:56 GMT

For those wanting to know what has changed since RC1.

1.) Chrome scaling issue on Zoom (appears fixed!)

2.) Zoom still broken on <sup> tags <sup>

3.) Quick tabs loses focus on any window event (click, resize, blur) - still broken

4.) Rendering and Padding of <input type="button" value="17 chars or longer"/> - still broken

5.) Zooming on form controls of all types - still causes rendering glitches

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Steve — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:13:25 GMT

Sorry, I lied

1.) the zooming still causes chrome border issues.

6.) Still can't get rid of everything in the command bar.

7.) History drop down rendering still broken

8.) JavaScript on about:blank still broken

9.) Chrome on file upload still broken

10.) security issue: 225925 still broken

11.) Still can't drag hyperlinks into text boxes or textara controls

12.) Still can't drag a hyperlink to a tab

13.) Still can't drag the URL in the address bar to a new tab

14.) Chrome still messed up in help

15.) CTRL+TAB still messes up chrome height in toolbars

16.) Stretching the window, from the top edge/corners, still causes very strange rendering glitches.

17.) Address bar drop down still shows odd context menu if you right click on the vertical scroll bar.

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Rafael — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:23:38 GMT

Great job, lots of fixes since ie6

But... Why you guys haven't fixed background-color inherit bug as described here:(http://www.photobiker.com/testbackgroundinherit2.html)

Its I tiny bug, but is very annoying for me.

I´m sad because there is no effective workaround...

Best regards.

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Django Forums — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:24:17 GMT

When will this become a required download for users?

I've heard a rumor of Nov 1, but usually IE pushes out patches on Tuesday.

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Steve — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:36:59 GMT

18.) <button> element still broken

19.) prompt() still broken (size, cropping, location, calling via-non user interactive events.

20.) Disabled addons still appear in the Menu > View > Explorer Bar submenu.

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Bigblu — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:54:38 GMT

What is the purpose of "Change Icon" in link properties if the site icon or the default IE icon takes over once you visit the site. It doesn't appear anything really got fixed from RC1. It looks like you gave up and pushed it out the door like you appear to be doing with Vista. IE7 has some great features but the icon thing is very aggrevating especially since you knew about it for some time. The "change icon" feature has been there for a long time and is the main reason I've continued using IE.Disappointing

IE7 正式推出

苦牢之最後一年 — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:45:49 GMT

目前只有英文版，想嚐新的人就上吧。剛看到消息，Microsoft 已經正式推出 IE7 了 (官方公告在此)，不過現在只有英文版，其他語言的版本可能要稍後才會推出。

IE7 相對於 IE6，最受矚目的改...

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Omar A. Perez — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:10:36 GMT

Umm, this should be called IE RC3. Where are the fixes? coming in patches?

Anyway was a nice try, I can't believe I installed windows xp to see if this was fixed. Gonna stay with linux and windows vista + firefox in pcs for awhile.

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TED — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:32:06 GMT

When the following it updates IE7?

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Ed — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:43:38 GMT

i'd love to use it, but it won't stop crashing when i surf neowin...

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EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:12:51 GMT

@Ed: In the vast majority of cases, crashes are caused by buggy plugins. Check the troubleshooting steps here: http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp

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Robert — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:20:46 GMT

Thank You IE Team! So far so good. New tabs are going to be a big help.

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goose — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:30:11 GMT

Yes! The world is SAFE once again! Thank you Microsoft.

I tell you, those other browsers; Firefox, Opera, Safari, K-Meleon, Seamonkey... they were just FILLED with spyware. And they didn't have glass tabs! They made my PC unstable!

May this never ever have an option to be uninstalled, just like the previous one. It's perfect, after all. Thank you for this excellent web browser. The ONLY good web browser on the earth. You all are truly fabulous. I honestly don't know how you can improve on perfection!!!

re: IE7 for the World

Dan — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:38:34 GMT

Steve, any non-trivial software (or any system for that matter) ships with known bugs. Lots of 'em, anywhere from thousands to infinite, depending on how you define "Bug", and whether you include "fails to do something I want it to do, no matter how silly an idea it is".

You might find http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000014.html enlightening reading.

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Robin — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:01:58 GMT

Getting back on topic it‘s good that you're doing these releases, but why not release them all at the same time?

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BringItOn — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:08:17 GMT

Is it supported on Windows MCE? Requirements page has no mention of that.

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Patrick — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:29:00 GMT

the css expression was not supported in this version.

why??

but in RC2 version it still was supported.

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Lino — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:32:25 GMT

Goose: "The world is SAFE once again! Thank you Microsoft."

Me: ROTFL!!!

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Jon — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:10 GMT

MCE is a variant of XP (like Tablet). 7 works fine on it.

Internet Explorer 7 Released!

CreativeNRG Web Development Blog — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:11:00 GMT

Internet Explorer 7 English Language version has now been released into the wild so let the fun and games...

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DrsP — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:32:13 GMT

Strange why release we've submitted a live.space / live.com gadget IE7 even kan resolve some flash..

see http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDetail.aspx?li=405f16c2-3f9a-4cb6-8a52-e4311a861647&l=1

Firefox and Opera seems to have no problem with this on a Windows platform :-/

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Ed — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:38:29 GMT

i think that was the problem, i am guesssing the shockwave ext is making me crash, thanks for the tip.

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FrozenKiwi — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:41:41 GMT

I haven't followed the betas. This looks like a decent copy of firefox. Misses a few things but not bad. I'm planning on using this as the default browser for a week or two to give it a fair try.

I do like the QuickTabs page - that's cool. But I see you can't open a whole folder from favourites into tabs. i also doubt you have an easy API for a community to develop extensions.

Shame it doesn't pass the acid2 test, but then neither does firefox. but what a screwed up face - is that a semi dialog box over the eyes?

All in all not a BAD browser. There's a chance it might be compeditive with a few revisions. I can't see me sticking with it tho

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Rimbaud — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:16:05 GMT

Arrgghhh, you still haven't fixed the CSS support. Come one guys, try a bit harder or just license someone else's rendering engine. It's becoming embarrassing.

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luc — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:09:26 GMT

@Firefox

I prefer the IE7 user interface.

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Jeff — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:30:22 GMT

@'Firefox':

The firefox interface looks like it was built in VB6 using Windows 95 controls. If that's your cup of tea, by all means, spread the word on slashdot.

It's there - please welcome Internet Explorer 7

B# .NET Blog — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:34:45 GMT

Need to say more? Download here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx or via the redir...

Internet Explorer 7 finally released

Gabriel Lozano-Morán - The .NET Aficionado — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:51:26 GMT

The Internet Explorer 7 team have announced on their blog the availability of Internet Explorer 7. IE7

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(w) — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:04:35 GMT

What about this?

http://secunia.com/advisories/22477/

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ammm — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:13:54 GMT

where the hell are the fixes?

is this what you call "we have been listening to our users" ?

Just because there's a deadline you shouldn't send crappy software out.

and yeah the url bar is still in a static position.

screw that i'm going to opera.

you guys really really really screwed up this release.

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Sven Groot — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:18:37 GMT

@FrozenKiwi: you can open a folder from favourites as tabs. Just right-click it, choose "Open in Tab Group". Or click the blue array on the right of the folder.

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Luca — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:24:44 GMT

That's funny!!! :D

(Secunia rules!)

I love Firefox & Opera!

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Fduch — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:29:31 GMT

in less than a day:

A vulnerability has been discovered in Internet Explorer, which can be exploited by malicious people to disclose potentially sensitive information.

The vulnerability is caused due to an error in the handling of redirections for URLs with the "mhtml:" URI handler. This can be exploited to access documents served from another web site.

P.S. MS knew about it since april. As you see they did nothing.

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Joost — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:09:10 GMT

I can't live with out window.prompt. Put it back.

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luc — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:17:41 GMT

@(w)

it's not a real flaw. It's just a page that load another site. In IE7 Cross Site Scripting attacks and mixing from secure and unsecure sites are not possible.

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luc — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:19:20 GMT

@Fduch

it's not a flaw. Secunia is bad

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Firefox unpatched vulnerabilities — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:37:08 GMT

Firefox unpatched vulnerabilities:

* Firefox File Upload Form Keystroke Event Cancel Vulnerability

"Charles McAuley has reported a vulnerability in Firefox, which can be exploited by malicious people to trick users into disclosing sensitive information"

http://secunia.com/advisories/20442/ 2006-06-06

Solution Status: Unpatched

* Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox Cross-Domain Cookie Injection Vulnerability

"WESTPOINT has reported a vulnerability in Mozilla / Mozilla Firefox, which potentially can be exploited by malicious people to conduct session fixation attacks"

http://secunia.com/advisories/12580/ 2004-09-18

Solution Status: Unpatched

IE 7 para Windows XP lançado!

Oneda — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:45:55 GMT

Após cinco versões Beta e um Release Candidate, o IE 7 para Windows XP foi oficialmente

re: IE7 for the World

Steve — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:58:54 GMT

@Dan,

True, all software has bugs. What I find odd, is that in the 'x' number of years developing IE6 they didn't fix much of their chrome issues, and in the 5+ years developing IE7, they didn't either. If I personally was developing IE, I wouldn't want the software to ship, without looking sharp, smart, and professional.

If you went to buy a Porche, and it came with mixed colored door panels, would you be weary of the quality of the engineering under the hood? I certainly would.

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Yannis Rizos — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:08:32 GMT

Sorry, I lied

From a previous comment:

"1.) the zooming still causes chrome border issues.

6.) Still can't get rid of everything in the command bar.

7.) History drop down rendering still broken

8.) JavaScript on about:blank still broken

9.) Chrome on file upload still broken

10.) security issue: 225925 still broken

11.) Still can't drag hyperlinks into text boxes or textara controls

12.) Still can't drag a hyperlink to a tab

13.) Still can't drag the URL in the address bar to a new tab

14.) Chrome still messed up in help

15.) CTRL+TAB still messes up chrome height in toolbars

16.) Stretching the window, from the top edge/corners, still causes very strange rendering glitches.

17.) Address bar drop down still shows odd context menu if you right click on the vertical scroll bar."

... ...

Yeap all 17 bugs exist. Some of them suggest that noone on the IE team actually considered any of the feedback people so willingly gave through this blog since the first beta release.

(Is this a software-end-user-release or a nerve-system-complete-breakdown-limits test)?

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yuzyu — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:27:21 GMT

>P.S. MS knew about it since april. As you see they did nothing.

The only way to get Microsoft to fix security bugs is to make them public with proof-of-concept code. Otherwise it seems they'll promise a whole lot but fail to deliver after all.

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William Tan — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:35:59 GMT

Excellent news!

The most important new feature for me is of course IDN support. See real-life IDN URLs at http://idnsearch.net/

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ROFTL — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:00:00 GMT

BEWARE!

Internet Extermination ver 7 just landed...

P.S. Guys, you have fabulous sense of humor naming this crap: The Final Version.

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AGMW — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:10:46 GMT

Last night I installed IE7. Upon startup, I was greeted with an error message telling me that explorer.exe could not start because the file normaliz.dll could not be found. It appears that other people are having the same problem. What is the deal?

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iecrap — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:37:20 GMT

Januari? That's just ridiculous.

People at Microsoft need to realise the world isn't English only.

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AdamRLeggett — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:24:21 GMT

runonce.msn.com/runonce2.aspx

This page takes forever to load. I've tried it now on two upgraded systems and it's crawling. What's worse is it brings IE to it's knees, irrelevant of the tab you are viewing. I know there might be peek traffic right now - but it's ridiculous - this is NOT a good intro. to the new browser.

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ADAXL — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:42:44 GMT

A question on nomenclature. What's the official full name of IE7? "Microsoft Internet Explorer" or "Windows Internet Explorer"? The title bar suggests the latter.

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Jarmo Valmari — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:48:09 GMT

What is your official recommodation for those who MUST develop for both IE6 and IE7 - and on the same computer? IE6 is not going away for a while and since IE7 works it's own way - but not like Gecko browsers - we need to have them both side by side for the daily dev.

I have now xp sp2 and IE6 what would be the best way to get IE7 to run normally and have a standalone version of IE6 that would not mess things up. You really should have a clean standalone IE6 for download. Or if it's there, maybe a little more usability -- can't find one.

Please solve this somehow and soon. Or just point out where the info is if I just can't find it.

Thank you.

re: IE7 for the World

HardToExploit — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:49:18 GMT

@Fduch

It is hard to exploit the flaw because it requires the attacker to lure someone to a malicious site, and for the attacker to know what other secure site the visitor might simultaneously have open

re: IE7 for the World

Joel — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:50:12 GMT

Lost the Quick Launch bar on install, AGAIN!

Didn't this get fixed?

(yeah, I know, all I have to do is turn it back on, but come on... it didn't need to hide in the first place!

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p auL — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:05:16 GMT

As many people have suggested in various comment spots, a posting concerning the "best" way to run standalone versions of IE would be helpful.

There are obviously hacks to use in order to get it to run, but are there any plans to, at the very least, put out a 'best practice' guide to hacking IE 7? We developers obviously would rather not have to hack anything to get it running, but it's also silly to expect multiple machines to be purchased specifically for running multiple versions of a browser. (I realize with IE tied so closely to the OS, it is much harder to come up with a standalone; but if it can be hacked like so many people already have done, can you at least write up a 'hacks are not recommended per se - but this is what we would do' post? heh)

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Mitch 74 — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:05:30 GMT

yeah, great - yet another browser I'll have to test against. Another browser that doesn't understand CSS selectors, that doesn't understand XHTML (and comes with a flawed XML parser), that doesn't provide a meaningful source code viewer, that doesn't provide informations on the page, and that lies about its capabilities ('*/*' in HTTP header, while it understands only 'text/html' and will consider any incoming 'text/*' file as 'text/html' even text files with code extract)...

Opera does.

Firefox does.

Mozilla did since 2002.

KHTML/Webkit does.

Nice.

Now then, I'll have to dedicate yet another machine to IE testing (since you can't test against IE5, IE6 and IE7 on the same machine) since this version doesn't cover Win2k machines (and I really wonder why, since it's only a friggin' browser - and as to having it 'embedded' in the system, I've removed all traces of IE from a 2K machine without ill effect) and then PRAY that IE8 will FINALLY be a 5th generation browser (you know, the generation that started in 2001) with CORRECT (I gave up on perfect) standards implementation: <object> tag, correct HTTP headers, mimetype, real XML parsing...

Nice to see that not only 17 documented bugs haven't been fixed for release, that there were unfixed regressions from one RC to the other, that CSS is still incorrectly parsed and incomplete, and that within hours of release, a security bug was disclosed.

And considering MS' history, in 3 months' time, installing IE7 will require to download a 18 Mb installer and 25 Mb of patches.

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Mike Mayo — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:16:03 GMT

Where do we report potential bugs? I had the Beta and it worked relatively fine. I installed the official version and it works except I can no longer access SharePoint document libraries by typing in the network path. This worked the night before I performed the installation.

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Pascal — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:19:42 GMT

Releasing translated software two months after release is soooo 1984'ish

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gkc — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:42:44 GMT

Im not sure if this my machine, but rendering is very slow. Everything is a flicker or a flash. CSS hovers and javascript transitions are slooooowwwww.

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Fduch — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:50:46 GMT

How can they sing their favourite song "But it's still beta" now?

Now the ones who sing that song are users. Yes, me too.

It's still beta. With 1800+ open bugs. With closed bug tracker.

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CloneZero — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:55:02 GMT

Congratulations!! Thank you for shipping a securer, more up-to-date, and extensible browser. You have done a marvelous job, hope you get some time off.

To counter the hobgoblin critics above, I remind you of this:

"Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense." --Ralph Waldo Emerson

Peace,

~CloneZero

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cfJeff — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:09:38 GMT

MSIE 7 insecure on day it ships....

http://secunia.com/Internet_Explorer_Arbitrary_Content_Disclosure_Vulnerability_Test/

hardy har har har

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Kevin Severud — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:30:00 GMT

So was RC1 tested for this "mhtml:" Redirection Information Disclosure problem? This just looks bad.

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Tom Stack — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:16:54 GMT

Yea, now on to 7.1. Slow( but not 5 years apart),and steady.

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PLA — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:31:43 GMT

居然没有中文版，我们花了那么多钱买他m$的东西，但是居然把中文版的更新放那么靠后。

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hAl — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:25:14 GMT

The secunia site list an exploit example but uit doesn't do a thing so it does not seem very vunerable and neither does it work for IE6

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Remus — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:55:57 GMT

One quick questions guy.

Usually IE comes together with Outlook Express. I noticed that it didn't update my OE. I'm still at version 6 there?

Could you please tell us what's the deal?

thanks

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Aedrin — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:09:52 GMT

"It's still beta. With 1800+ open bugs. With closed bug tracker."

'This program that is used in hundreds of applicatoins, has to work with a lot of websites and has a lot of advanced features has bugs. Microsoft sucks!'

Having seen Fduch's own pages, I'm glad he is not part of the IE development team. He would just take FireFox and skin it differently, just like FireFox did with Netscape/Mozilla.

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EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:11:31 GMT

@Remus: IE7 does not replace Outlook Express, although OE does use the new HTML renderer from IE7 once installed.

Windows Live Mail Desktop and Windows Mail are the replacements for OE, currently in beta.

@Steve: IE7 development was approximately two years, not five. If all feature suggestions are considered "bugs", then all software is infinitely "buggy".

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mrhappy — Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:25:18 GMT

One of the most interesting aspects of the IE vs. Firefox battle is the development of the ecosystem of extensions or add-ons. It’s not just about bugs and features. Right now Firefox had a great advantage in this space but you can see Microsoft trying to catch up.

Microsoft has an interesting partner in Trailfire, a recommended download for IE7. See link:

http://www.ieaddons.com/SearchResults.aspx?keywords=trailfire

But this extension is also available for Firefox. See link:

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3524/

I think the ecosystem for Firefox and IE will decide who wins this battle. What do you think?

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Fduch — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:28:54 GMT

@Aedrin you are unfair.

Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:09 PM by Aedrin

>"It's still beta. With 1800+ open bugs. With closed bug tracker."

Yes. the last thing I saw before the bug tracker was closed it had 1802 bugs opened. And no-one-know how many bugs were just closed as non-reproducible.

>'This program that is used in hundreds of applicatoins, has to work with a lot of websites and has a lot of advanced features has bugs. Microsoft sucks!'

That's not my line. I never ever in my life said MS sucks. And I like all MS products and betas except IE7. I hate IE7 more than IE6 because IE6 is just an old browser. But IE7 is ambitious modern browser aiming for the top. Unlike IE6 errors of IE7 cannot be forgiven.

>Having seen Fduch's own pages, I'm glad he is not part of the IE development team. He would just take FireFox and skin it differently, just like FireFox did with Netscape/Mozilla.

1st. I have NO pages! I have NO website.

2nd. I NEVER USE/USED firefox. I hate it because of its fanboys. (I don't use Opera too)

3nd. The page you talk about is is about Maxthon. It's IE-based browser. It has nearly all the features that IE6/7 lack. So my choice is IE7 +Maxthon on top of it.

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jackson — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:33:43 GMT

IE7 properly supports native character IDN domain resolution. You can try all day long to make an IDN resolve in native character form in Firefox. It just ain't gonna happen.

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Nic — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:39:59 GMT

Funny, i went to the IE7 site on Opera, and my antivirus gave me a big fat virus warning. Even if it's a false alarm, how is that supposed to make people feel safer?

Way to go.

Don’t deploy IE7 this year!

4sysops — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:54:42 GMT

The final of IE7 is available for download now. Some days ago I already recommended disabling the IE7 installation with Windows Update. Today, I installed the final and now I am even more convinced of not deploying IE7 this year. It is quite obv...

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Dan — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:30:25 GMT

@Nic-- Sounds like you should buy an antivirus program that actually works?

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Gerv — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:38:58 GMT

"IE7 properly supports native character IDN domain resolution. You can try all day long to make an IDN resolve in native character form in Firefox. It just ain't gonna happen."

Firefox supports IDN fine, and has for years - for IDNs in whitelisted TLDs. TLDs get on the whitelist when their registries put in place sensible anti-homograph-spoofing policies.

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jackson — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:12:35 GMT

Well they need to whitelist .com, .net .org and what ever other extensions are in common use on the internet because IDNs, at least as native characters, do not work in Firefox.

We shipped IE7!

Tonynet Explorer — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:22:39 GMT

Somewhat ironically, I'm probably the last person in the blogosphere to report that Internet Explorer 7 is finally done and available! Whew. (You can get it here.) It always feels good to release a new product (I've shipped dozens of products at Microsoft

re: IE7 for the World

Gerv — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:12:35 GMT

"Well they need to whitelist .com, .net .org and what ever other extensions are in common use on the internet because IDNs, at least as native characters, do not work in Firefox."

The current whitelist is here:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/tld-idn-policy-list.html

It includes .org. If a TLD is not listed, it's because they have not asked to be. If you own a IDN domain in e.g. .com, contact the .com registry to ask why the domain they sold you doesn't work in Firefox.

Firefox 2, IE 7 and L10N

Hacking for Christ — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:20:17 GMT

Microsoft have just posted the details of which languages IE 7 will be available in. It's interesting to compare this with the list of locales currently available for the latest Firefox 2 beta, which hopefully is a good proxy for what we will have in

re: IE7 for the World

Jackson — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:21:40 GMT

"It includes .org. If a TLD is not listed, it's because they have not asked to be. If you own a IDN domain in e.g. .com, contact the .com registry to ask why the domain they sold you doesn't work in Firefox."

No thanks. I'll use a browser like IE7 or Opera that supports IDN properly and doesn't require me to contact a domain registry about why my domain names don't work.

re: IE7 for the World

Gerv — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:35:41 GMT

"No thanks. I'll use a browser like IE7 or Opera that supports IDN properly and doesn't require me to contact a domain registry about why my domain names don't work."

You might - but will all your customers?

This is not us being obstructive, it's a necessary security measure. And don't think that IE 7 is any better - if you've registered a Chinese IDN, then every customer of your website who doesn't have a Chinese language pack installed will get a security warning. Which is _far_ more divisive IMO.

re: IE7 for the World

Jackson — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:23:07 GMT

You might - but will all your customers?

I disagree, though am glad to see that there is support for native character IDN with Firefox in other extensions like .info. .biz and .org and some cctlds etc but Firefox really needs to support .com and .net. Maybe you guys should ask the registry to make a policy so you can support it.

What IE7 does is lets people know that they are visiting an IDN and gives them an easy way to add the language to the language settings which will make all future IDN in that language resolve as true IDN if they desire. It's an easy process.

re: IE7 for the World

Jackson — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:40:58 GMT

Another thing. If I have a Chinese IDN and website, I'm probably going to have Chinese language content on that website. My target will likely be Chinese speakers. So, even if my customer doesn't have the language already activated in the settings, or that version of the browser, they will likely have an interest in activating the language as they speak the language and apparently browse for this type of content, or else they wouldn't likely be in circles to encounter such an IDN.

The other point is, I feel it is crucial that IDN resolve in Native Character form if that is what is expected and that there to be a way to activate that if it is not initially available.

re: IE7 for the World

Sainath — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:33:38 GMT

Hi, Anyone knows how to force any child link to open in tab instead of new window.

Say, "you are on a page which has some links when clicked should open in new tab. "

When I click on that, it opens in new windows instead of new tab. Ofcourse I can use ctrl+click on the link to open in new tab but I don't want to use ctrl.

re: IE7 for the World

EricLaw [MSFT] — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:33:07 GMT

@Sainath: Middle-click the link, or click "Always open popups in a new tab" in tools/internet options/general/tab settings.

@Jackson: IE and Firefox simply have different anti-homograph mitigation strategies.

The statement that you must have "a Chinese language pack installed" to see a Chinese domain name in IE isn't quite right. You must have Chinese (or another language which uses that character set) enabled in IE's language settings.

That contrasts with Firefox's approach, which bases native IDN display on the top-level-domain, rather than on the user's personal settings. Both approaches have their merits.

For folks not yet using IDN, you should note that both IE and Firefox enable navigation to all syntactically correct IDN hostnames; the only question is whether or not the name is shown in Unicode (native characters) or in Punycode (encoded-ASCII).

Here's a sample page you can play with:

www.baydengrátis.com/idn/

re: IE7 for the World

Jackson — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 06:00:43 GMT

@ EricLaw - yes, my point though was that with IE7 it is possible to see IDN.coms resolve in native character form.

re: IE7 for the World

Hans Olsson — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:42:09 GMT

I assume we will be able to download the native versions before they are pushed out with automatic updates, right?

(Exactly as for the English version - that works great.)

Will this be announced here, or is there some other place to check for updates?

Some other good alternatives?

re: IE7 for the World

Chris B — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:47:44 GMT

Is IE7's rendering engine supposedly backward compatible? Some sites that render in IE6 and FF don't seem to render the same in IE7. This URL for example:

http://www.stupidity.com/play-4398-Adrenaline_Challenge.html

re: IE7 for the World

juninho destroyer — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:26:43 GMT

Other languages only in november~january????!!!

Forget it. Firefox 2.0 in PT-Br on next week!!

Bye!

re: IE7 for the World

Franz — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:34:58 GMT

IE7, I'm still missing my space sound and videos, due to dynsrc not supported.

Some ETA on having this fixed ?

It wouldn't be that hard to (re)implement, would it ?

re: IE7 for the World

hAl — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:05:04 GMT

Will the automatic upgrade installer be upgraded with info about issues found in the last weeks on for instance other add-ons causing problems with IE7 ?

re: IE7 for the World

Henk Tiggelaar — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:05:14 GMT

Which dumbass decided it would be a good idea to wait months before releasing internationalized versions of IE7? This is inexcusable for a company like Microsoft.

CSS issues

demetrius pinder — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:01:30 GMT

the stylesheets in some of my sites do not work! i have to refresh the page in IE7 to get the stylesheet to apply correctly....

come on microsoft!

Windows Search Guide in IE7

IEBlog — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:30:38 GMT

Hi, my name is Jane Maliouta and I am a Program Manager on the IE Team working on the Windows Search

IE7 Hits the Street

IEBlog — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:00:51 GMT

Just in case you missed it somehow, we released IE7 last Wednesday . In the first four days over three

Running IE versions side by side on the same computer

blunden — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:14:50 GMT

Just follow the example here to be able to run for example IE6 and IE7 side by side. It makes IE a standalone browser.

http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/article795.aspx

Basically you just remove a dll and create an empty file with the name iexplore.exe.local. Seems to work for almost any IE version.

Firefox available at Launch in 36 Languages

David William Wrixon — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:15:52 GMT

If you are after a global market, then you have a lot of catching up to do by the looks of thing!!!

Firefox 36

IE7 1

re: IE7 for the World

Ваня Петров — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:54:54 GMT

ну бля давайте уже на русском поскорей!

re: IE7 for the World

oidon — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:53:43 GMT

Is it safe to run English IE7 (final) on non-English OSes? I am running Japanese XP SP2. The Japanese version is not available yet. The IE6 Japanese localization is not very good, so I do not mind running the original English.

I would not hesitate for normal software. However, IE is a system component. I do not want to run into issues later. Is this scenario supported?

re: IE7 for the World

JasonTrue — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:34:35 GMT

oidon, I haven't worked on IE since um... 1999 but we generally did globalization testing using the English browser (or fake localization) on a Japanese OS or system locale.

I presume it works just about as well now as it did then: a few quirks related to font differences in menus and dialogs, but no major disasters. As for "supported", probably not in the sense that MS Support will help you if something isn't working quite correctly; however, it should "work." There shouldn't be any code differences between the English and Japanese versions, just resource differences.

I am surprised that at least first tier market languages aren't shipping simultaneously... we did that in IE4 and IE5 (within a few days, anyway). But translation vendors do take time, and loc test teams sometimes operate on very lean staffs.

re: IE7 for the World

slimati — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:06:23 GMT

hi guys,

ie 7 is a real advance in comparison with ie6 but i did not enjoy the interface et the menu (at the right side).in all cases ,it's a good job,maybe i'll think to use ie 8 in the futur, but now i'm still using firefox.

re: IE7 for the World

Nick Wilcox — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:22:35 GMT

Will IE 7 FULLY support CSS 2 and the full range of pseudo classes. If not, I'm telling my customers it isn't worth their time to download.

re: IE7 for the World

Ебарь — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:13:22 GMT

Для проверки, работает IE7 с русскими доменами, можно зайти на http://ебля.com/

re: IE7 for the World

Pharod — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:34:05 GMT

In the IE7 Worldwide Sites page it says 'Internet Explorer 7 is now available in Finnish, German, Japanese, and Spanish.'. But when you enter the Latin American site or the Spain site (for the spanish version of IE7) the link still offers IE7 RC1.

Just letting you know, I'm eager to use IE7 final :)

re: IE7 for the World

Nick Wilcox — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:42:45 GMT

oh and while I'm thinking, does IE7 crash when you try to clear the cache and Temporary Internet files?

How about a nice cache interface like Firefox while we're at it? IE6 is very rough around the edges in cache management.

re: IE7 for the World

John Exporer — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:47:03 GMT

You guys are kidding me, IE7 started to crash my machine after 40 min of install!!!

No no, this is just a big misunderstanding, IE7 is not ready yet. I predict we going to be "flooded" with patches very soon.

re: IE7 for the World

Pharod — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:45:12 GMT

I guess they weren't ready. They removed the availability of IE7 in Finnish, German, Japanese and Spanish

First Wave of Localized IE7 Releases Now Available

IEBlog — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:22:20 GMT

We have released Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP in five new languages: German, Japanese, French,

破解安装Internet Explorer 7.0时的Windows正版验证

Zhou Hongquan's Blog — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:53:47 GMT

10月18日，微软正式发布IE7浏览器（一、二），新的IE7.0不仅在界面（streamlined interface ）更漂亮，在功能上也也更完善，加入了“tabbed browsing”（多标签浏览）、根据需要对进行打印设置（improved printing），“RSS feeds”、Choose multiple search providers（选择不同的搜索引擎来进行搜索）等新功能，另外，IE7.0还在安全方面（improved security features）做了改进，增加了对钓鱼网站的监控

Firefox 3 Language Coverage

Hacking for Christ — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:09:49 GMT

I have been attempting to figure out what percentage of the net population will get the upcoming Firefox 3 (June 17th!) in their native language ("heart language"). We're doing 48 different language packs. I've attempted this before, but I have been limited