Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

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hAl — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:10:42 GMT

Hmmm, this idea seems familiar to me.

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hAl — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:22:27 GMT

Yup

http://www.google.nl/search?q=hal+reward+add-on+subbmitters

Btw, is is of influence if the add-on is free or not and whether it has been certificated ?

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Philip Thomas — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:34:53 GMT

If you are going to announce a contest, perhaps you ought to have the rules up, or even a way to enter. FYI.

I'm going to enter the the contest, but I want to know if I can set my own price for my plug-in, sorry I mean add-on. My add-on will move the home and refresh buttons to positions where the user expects them and create a "File" menu in the upper left corner of the screen. I figure $30 is a fair price to charge people for functionality they can get in any other browser. What do you think?

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Will — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:05:04 GMT

@Philip: Somehow, I suspect that your development skills aren't as sharp as your rapier-like wit. What a clever poster you are!

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Johan Ericsson — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:40:41 GMT

Are you sure Iraq is off the list?

I'm pretty sure that with the fall of Saddam, all the embargoes against the country were lifted...

Build an add-on for IE and win $2500 and a trip to Mix07

Mark Johnston's Developer Experiences — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:51:46 GMT

Whenever I talk to customers who are huge FireFox users, they always comment on how great it is to customise

Crea un AddOn para IE7 y gana un viaje a Mix07 y $2500

El Bruno — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:52:28 GMT

Buenas, un par de días despues del lanzamiento de IE7 después de leer a gente con poca moral que se queja

Crea un AddOn para IE7 y gana un viaje a Mix07 y $2500

El Bruno — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:53:22 GMT

Buenas, un par de días despues del lanzamiento de IE7 después de leer a gente con poca moral que se queja

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Erwin Ried — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:31:33 GMT

Somebody _MUST_ develop ADBLOCKER plugin for IE7. I use firefox because the tabs, inline search and ADBLOCKER plugin.

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

EricLaw [MSFT] — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 07:45:27 GMT

There are quite a few adblockers for IE on http://ieaddons.com. In addition, you can use the HOSTS file to block ads (see http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm). Lastly, a change was made in IE7 to prevent script from running if it was delivered by a site in the Restricted Sites zone (see http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/03/15/552246.aspx).

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hAl — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:03:00 GMT

@EricLaw

The addblockers you are referring to are mostly popup blockers.

We need a serious blocker of javascripted, picture and flash ad's.

Nothing is more disturbing me from the content than those moving flash advert on the webpage.

Preferbly one that blocks Google ads to, Those are less obnoxious as a most but they are like a virus that springs up everywhere.

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Matthew — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:38:35 GMT

Placing moral considerations aside (a compelling case can be made that ad blocking represents theft) there are serious technical problems to any sort of adblocking concept.

Think back-- what pushed Flash advertising from being a minor annoyance to a major one? That's right, the XPSP2 release of the popup blocker. Suddenly, sites found that their popup ads weren't being shown anymore, and they naturally were forced to react in order to maintain a viable business model. They reacted by building prominent advertising into the pages themselves, especially the horribly distracting Flash ads.

Now, if adblocking becomes popular in IE, ads will almost certainly become ~more~ of a nuisance (popunders at least popped under the page)!

Arguably, the best way for IE to win back share from Firefox is to add an adblocker, not because it will be effective for very long, but because once IE has an adblocker, no adblockers will work anymore.

Why not? Think about it. Every technique that is currently used to block ads (URL matching, host blackholing, dom manipulation, etc) only works because so few folks are using adblockers that sites don't bother to work around them. Each one of these adblock techniques could be defeated pretty trivially, and if IE has a good adblocker that's used widely, sites will break the adblockers.

Sadly, the only way to keep adblockers effective is to keep them out of the hands of the masses.

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hAl — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:51:07 GMT

[quote]Now, if adblocking becomes popular in IE, ads will almost certainly become ~more~ of a nuisance[/quote]

I guess you mean for non-IE users.

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r. decline — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:00:09 GMT

personally i can't bring myself to give myself a potential early heart attack developing for IE7. making it read a website correctly is already bad enough.

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Matthew — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:23:00 GMT

"I guess you mean for non-IE users."

No, I mean, for everyone. Sites will code around -everyone's- adblockers, and it will just get worse. For instance, they'll have interstitial adpages that calculate a private key required to get to the next page. Once you have an interstitial, you might as well force the user to see it for a certain length of time. Etc.

Until there's a business model better than advertising, building an adblocker is a fool's errand.

Heck, Microsoft should just build an adblocker to kill off their competitors. Ads represent a tiny fraction of Microsoft's revenue, but the vast majority of Yahoo's and Google's. Brilliant!

Build IE7 Addons and Win a trip to MIX07 + $2500

Brian Goldfarb's Blog — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 04:44:03 GMT

Pete LePage has been working on pulling together a contest to drive addon creation for IE7 and was able

IE7 Ships, and the Ajax Experience starts

PeteL's Blog — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:37:37 GMT

Wow, what a week it's been. It's funny, I remember when Keith moved upstairs to marketing, I watched

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

hAl — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:47:34 GMT

@matthew

Still it won't be more of a nuisance to IE users as they are already confronted with ads.

Only users of adblocking software will notice a difference.

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Stuart — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:43:39 GMT

id like an addin built that will make the size of a tab (width) shrink down to as little as 1/2" when there are lots of tabs open.

With my command bar stripped of all but 1 icon and the favorite stuff, i can only get 18 tabs to display.

I would like to not have to scroll sideways to find my tabs, this behavior is very kludge'y

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Jordie — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:56:57 GMT

Someone please develop a version of NoScript for IE. It would solve so many woes when using IE. I beg of you developers!!!

Oh wait, and make the damn thing free. PLEASE.

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Pete — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:30:02 GMT

I was just thinking that an Adblock extension would be perfect for IE, and the comments agree. As far as I'm concerned, Firefox's Adblock extension is just about perfect. It's free. It has a quick, easy interface. You can right click on most anything, and block that element. You can easily create your own patterns to block things. An Adblock addon for IE would need to be and have ALL of those things. Especially for free. There's no sense in paying $30 for an IE addon when FF has a competing equivalent for free.

As far as Adblockers spawning ever smarter spammers, I think not. How would web sites force us to view ads? You mention them forcing you to click to view the next page. Sites already do that, and those that do, I never go back to them. If people put up with allowing the browsing experience to be crappy, sure, sote owners will make it crappy. Take back the Internet! If a business is worthwhile, they will make money with their own products or services. There's no reason we need to be overwhelmed with ads. A *good* Adblocker for IE would be most excellent.

I'm thinking that or a Greasemonkey type thing would be killer. Even better if the greasemonkey script was able to use the same scripts between IE or FF.

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Matthew — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:51:19 GMT

Pete: Look around. Look at TV. Tivo and other DVRs are killing television ads. So what do they do instead? The do obnoxious product placements in the shows themselves. Or they just migrate the best programming to pay channels (HBO). Or they start putting advertising spots in front of theatrical movies, where the user doesn't have control. Or they work with DVD vendors to create hardware standards mandating an "unskippable" flag that they use for commercials on the first playback.

The idea that you're going to be able to "opt out" of advertising without some equivalent tradeoff is simply naive.

Business exist to make money. Experience has shown that users are not generally willing to pay for websites (e.g. Slate.com) and there's currently no successful micropayment system. But someone has to pay the bills. The solution, of course, is advertising. Advertisers are willing to pay for users' attention. If everyone's blocking ads, advertisers aren't going to pay the bills anymore.

The worst thing that could happen for those of us who hate ads would be for a good adblocker to come out and get popular.

"Take back the web"? As if the web would be anything near what it was today without the hundreds of billions of dollars invested in it... most of which was for one purpose-- to make more money.

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Viktor Krammer — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:49:18 GMT

>How about the best add-on submitted between November 1, 2006, and February 9, 2007

What about all the great add-ons that have been submitted during the IE7 beta phase, prior 1st November? Does a version update between those dates makes the add-on eligible for the contest?

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Viktor Krammer — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:56:05 GMT

@Erwin Ried

>Somebody _MUST_ develop ADBLOCKER plugin for IE7

Actually, I have developed a free ad blocker for IE as a part of a research project and I am working hard to improve it further.

http://www.quero.at/

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hAl — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:28 GMT

@Viktor

[quote]What about all the great add-ons that have been submitted during the IE7 beta phase, prior 1st November? [/quote] Not like there were that many were there ?

Did you submit one ?

And was that a completly new one or just one that you already created before (as I seem to remember you talked about compatibility for older add-ons)...?

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

Viktor Krammer — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:52:52 GMT

I would love to participate with my Quero add-on in the contest, but I have already submitted my plug-in after the IE team has announced the ieaddons.com site on this blog.

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GF — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:09:02 GMT

What we need is a simple way to build addons using script similar to what FF has.

There is a huge learning curve to start building IE addons today and that is the reason why there arent many good ones out there.

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

EricLaw [MSFT] — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:31:38 GMT

@GF: IE actually has a number of options for powerful non-binary extensibility, mostly based around Javascript. You can create buttons and context menus that run actions when you click on them: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/06/461675.aspx

There's also the Explorer bar mechanism which can host HTML & Script; this is how the Microsoft Office discussions toolbar is implemented, for instance.

Re: www.ieaddons.com

Chris Ovenden — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:22:51 GMT

Could you explain to me how, in 2006, you could even consider building a site that doesn't work with javascript turned off?

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goose — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:35:16 GMT

no no no, IE doesn't need anything like Adblock. Keep it ad-infested and virused!!

Keep customisability low. Usability low. Webmasters can decide what's best for the masses. We've always had it this way, and why should we change? My grandfather browsed this way, and his grandfather browsed this way! I prefer the simple life. I prefer to trust whoring companies; money-sucking, bandwidth-stealing, homepage stealing, usage-tracking - it's all good for me! I view my world in Internet Explorer because it's the best; it's used by the most people, and that speaks volumes! I refused to believe so many could have made the wrong 'choice'.

IE is perfect as it is!

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GF — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:32:18 GMT

@EricLaw

Well, it's really limited. You cannot build a fully fledged addon/plugin using javascript, and it's something like that we need.

I know there are security concerns but these can be addressed, it's really only about making it easier to write addons/plugins.

I know looking at FF is a sensitive subject but you waited so long with this new browser and that's the main reason competitors are ahead of you on this subject.

Please release an update for IE7 to support a scripting api for creating plugins and you will surely get a community creating great addons/plugins for IE7.

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GF — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:34:21 GMT

@Chris Ovenden

Are you serious ? You just answered that, it's the year 2006.

How can people in the year 2006 think they can turn off javascript and get a good browser experience ? That really amazes me.

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JrzyShr Dev Guy — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:58:37 GMT

If you haven't heard by now, IE7 for Windows XP & 2003 was released on Thursday last week! Congrats

MIX07 Contest

Kelly White — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:25:55 GMT

From the IE Blog ...The best [IE7] add-on submitted between November 1, 2006, and February 9, 2007, wins

re: Building Add-Ons for IE Could Net You A Trip to Mix07 and $2500

zi — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:49:22 GMT

Does anyone know why IE7 can not be used with windows 2000?

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zi — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:49:25 GMT

Does anyone know why IE7 can not be used with windows 2000?

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Brett Goodman — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:25:28 GMT

I have a great IE add-on - IeToolbox (www.wincentric.com). This utility is a secure Passwords Manager, Notes Keeper, Form Filler and File viewer, which runs in the IE side bar. I've tried to get it added to the IeAddons site for a long time but I have found it impossible. Why isn't there just a "submit" software button on the page?

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