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randy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:38:14 GMT

I only have one tab open in IE 8 beta 2 and taskmanager is showing 2 iexplore.exe process. Is this normal?

are there any sample website to try out the SmartScreen® Filter?

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Garrett — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:50:06 GMT

Since you guys have so much market share, please make everybody somehow upgrade to the newest browsers.

As a web designer, IE is proven to be a detriment. For everybody who works on IE, please mop up the crap caused by IE6

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Michael Madsen — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:08:29 GMT

@randy: Yes, this is to be expected due to tab isolation. One process is the webbrowser "chrome" (the UI), and the other one is the tab itself. See http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/11/ie8-and-loosely-coupled-ie-lcie.aspx for the details.

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8675309 — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:32:06 GMT

heres something you should think about its not ms that has to push people to upgrade to new ie, its retailers that need to promote new xp/vista pcs so people who have win 95/98/98 2nd pcs that have the huge ie6 market share

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randy — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:11:35 GMT

can you change the keyboard shorcut for Address bar to CTRL+L it's much easier than alt+d

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Eden — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:48:48 GMT

@randy

Try F6, although it's not really a shortcut for Address bar.

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Arieta — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:37:21 GMT

An update to Beta 2? Please fix the ability to use "right click save as..." for files that IE doesnt recognize (eg. everything but images and html files). It is not possible to save exe or rar or zip files, and it seriously breaks what you call the user experience.

the zooming bug I mentioned in the comments earlier is also pretty annoying, but nowhere near as bad as the "save as" issue.

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randy — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:37:42 GMT

the smart address bar look weird without a website icon on searches. FF3 did it right by adding website icon.

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Randy — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:38:57 GMT

In the tools menu i can not find the delete command. Was the delete command remove?

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Town Idiot25 — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:45:15 GMT

Two questions.

1. My mcaffee add-on is opening these site baloons that won't go away unless you open a new tab, which the baloon covers so you can't open one very easily. How can I fix this?

2. Is there any way to change the URL box so it doesn't do that only highlighted the main part of the URL thing it does? If so, how?

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Walle — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:29:15 GMT

Every time I start IE8 is the "Netphising shield" in Norton Internet Security 2008 turned OFF! WHY?

No matter what site I visit, it happens EVERY time!

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Randy — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:37:43 GMT

i don't care if you guys copy the new Password Bar in FF3 it's useful and less annoying.

I like to move menu bar next to the

back/forward button. Can it be done? in FF3 with Glasser you could do that.

when using "search the internet" on start menu search it open in new IE 8 windows. I prefer new tabs instead.

My internet provider change my search to yahoo by default so when i use the "Go to" in smart address bar it uses yahoo. Can you make a tweak to allow user to change the search to live search or any search provider user want.

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mocax — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:32:31 GMT

@randy

You get to choose your default search provider during installation. Or you can do it later in "Manage Search Providers"

As for a fully customizable top toolbar, I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

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IEwin — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:36:45 GMT

Great with the release! I'm now really happy with IE 8 beta 2... But I want more!

1. Essential functions: Add it in RC release???

- Download Manager

- Spell Checking (Use Vista's External Dictionary from Windows Mail)

2. More standard:

- SVG

- Acid3 (not improved much since IE 8 beta 1)

3. Little tweak:

- Better performance but still have memory leak! (Still hog resource > Firefox 3 is faster!)

- Allow to change tabs color or even let the website set the color!

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mocax — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:52:19 GMT

I think Acid3 won't be tackled until the next major version, or until they do away with activex altogether.

I find firefox3 to be slower than IE8, when I had to install all the add-ons to match IE8's features.

I guess a vanilla IE8 would be blazing.

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Javier Arroyo — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:12:55 GMT

I think IE 8 beta 2 looks and works good! However, when it hits rtm. We need to finally see IE stand out from all the browsers. Like add some WPF effects and a brand new professional looking UI. If the UI doesnt change, all its going to look like is a small update from IE 7 with some performance tweaks. It look be nice if you guys can add small Browser Gadgets (add-ons) to the final IE 8. ( Weather, feeds and so on.) Also, spell checker and a download manager is a must need! By the way, here's a mockup I did a while ago. Please comment. It would certaintly mean a lot to me.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5469/mockupah1.jpg

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Robert Carlsson — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:13:40 GMT

About th new IE8 Beta 2

On many pages the CPU goes to 50%, and the cooling fan kicks in. Like for instance,

http://www.softpedia.com

What can be the reason? Safari, Opera and Firrefox all open the page without any problem.

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hAl — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:40:12 GMT

I can confirm that the http://www.softpedia.com/ uses about 50% of CPU when entering it with IE8 beta 2.

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hAl — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:18:16 GMT

@Robert Carlsson

Are those other sites that use a lot of CPU also Intellitext script users ?

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llakichan — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:11:17 GMT

Cuando abro una nueva pestaña (new tab) empieza a volverse loca como si quisera abrir, pero no lo hace correctamente. ¿Alguna solución?. Enhorabuena por el trabajo vamos por buen camino.

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someone — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:52:55 GMT

Overall, with IE8 Microsoft has taken a gigantic step forwards. Congrats to the team. IE8 is powerful enough to even gain back the lost marketshare and developer credibility. IE8 will be a very successful browser release like the Windows XP OS.

I'm concerned about some of the features removed from IE8: (Can your team confirm this)?

1. Inline AutoComplete (No reason to remove this feature, and you are keeping it for the shell and taking it away from IE? BRING IT BACK!)

2. Open existing tabs upon opening IE next time. Why would the team remove this is beyond me? Is it because now it recovers automatically from crashes? So now I'll have to terminate all instances of IExplore.exe so that the next time I open IE, all tabs will be restored like from a real crash.

3. Make web page available offline based on a set schedule (Probably removed because of RSS feeds and web slices, and already said to be removed in IE7, however I can use it right now on IE7). IE team, why don't you understand that almost all RSS feeds don't show the full version of the web page and that web slices can only be created by the page/site developers? Making pages offline on a schedule was a useful feature used by end users.

4. "Also delete files and settings stored by addons" option from "Delete Browsing History".

5. "Open new tabs next to the current tab" gone from Tabbed Browsing options. I'm aware of the new tab grouping functionality, however this setting is different.

I would appreciate an answer for each of these from the IE team. The features removed have no exact substitute functionality and removing them may only prevent some users from upgrading to IE8.

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james — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:57:44 GMT

How can I submit a new IE8 bug on this site https://connect.microsoft.com/IE ?

I can see the other bugs but I can't submit a new one.

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someone — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:01:29 GMT

"Reopen Last Browsing Session" is a great way to compromise privacy unless using InPrivate Browsing mode. Earlier the IE7 implementation "Open these tabs the next time I open IE" was more elegant because the one who closed IE got to decide that. Now if someone else opens IE, and the previous user has cleared the History and everything, yet the new user can easily click "Reopen Last Browsing Session" to open all pages opened by the previous user.

At present the only 2 solutions seem to be:

1. Use a different user account for that person.

2. Use InPrivate Browsing mode.

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Daniel — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:50:10 GMT

@james

I think you deed a Windows live ID first, then you can participate in the system (rating bugs for example).

To be able to file bugs yourself take a look at: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/07/30/wanted-ie8-beta-testers.aspx

It'll take about a week to get an answer.

BTW, if I was able to help you, please vote for Feedback 362116 (https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=362116)

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IE 8 fan — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:20:45 GMT

BUG:

IE8 beta 2 Bugs

1. Internet acceleration problems

When I triple click on a paragraph, the paragraph gets selected and a small icon is seen at the top. When I clicked outside the paragraph so that it is deselected (not on the paragraph) the icon still remains without getting disappeared.

E.g.:

Triple click a paragraph

Then click outside (not within the paragraph) the paragraph to deselect it...

You will notice the icon still on the top

2. Scrolling

While scrolling though the text in ‘up’ direction (slowly) , if there is any controls (buttons , text box) are situated at top then you would be able to notice stripes in these controls.

E.g.:

Just search for anything in Google

Scroll down the page till the end

Now slowly scroll up

When you reach the search box and buttons you would find some stripes

(It is still worst when you scroll with scroll bars)

Note: this doesn’t happen when you select some text and do the above processes again

3 . Ie crashes when i open this site www.crashie.com

4 . As mentioned above some sites like softpedia.com is taking lot of CPU process

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codestrider — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:32:08 GMT

Good job so far on the developer tools..

I am, however, finding the browser to be a little bit flaky on Google search. I find it's not displaying all of the html - sometimes it displays noresults, or a few results - while the raw html actually does have some results.

If I reclick the google search button a couple times it is eventually rendered correctly.

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element — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:40:14 GMT

@james

connect site is broke with IE8 for me also.

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Arieta — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:02:43 GMT

crashie.com displays fine as long as I don't switch rendering modes with the developer toolbar.

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Michael — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:38:02 GMT

I think what IE really needs now are three things.

1. a download manager

2. improved favorites management

3. a better page properties dialog like the one in FF3

I know there are add-ons for this, but I think most people don't want to go searching for those before they can use their browser. Anyway, most other browsers have these features now anyway.

I know the page properties dialog might not be something that important, but when people browse the web they might just klick on the context menu entry and find the very old looking dialog there is now. This does not leave a good impression.

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Alireza — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:19:08 GMT

Hi ,

I shocked when see my site on Ie 8 B2 :o

on Firefox , Ie7-6 , Opera ,... Every thing Is Ok ,

But When I call First Dom Append child , etc My page will be white ,

next bug On Css

why My site is ok on all Browser , But have problem with Ie8 B2

i can send you My style sheet , etc

how can i contact Ie team ,

for fixing this problem

king regards

Alireza

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Eduardo valencia — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:01:52 GMT

Please add:

- SVG Support

- Download Manager

- Less memory usage,no memory leaks

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Randy — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:38:22 GMT

Closing the browser when several tabs is open usually end up showing a small pop-up windows with question "Do you want to close all tabs or the current tab?" Instead of a pop-up windows it should show a new information bar that has the close all tabs and close current tabs buttons.

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Randy — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:42:50 GMT

does the compatibility view add website automatically to the comapatibility view setting? or does user have to add website automatically?

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mojo — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:42:10 GMT

I've been using FF3 and keyword to launch website. no mouse click

When user start typing letters in the smart address bar can you please replace the website icon on the left side of the address bar to something else for example a search icon or something else. In FF3 when user type letters it usually change to a white paper icon.

add icons in front of Autocomlete Suggestion, History, Favorites, Feeds if your not going to add icons on the list of websites. Although I prefer to have icons on the list of website.

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E.Fahd — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:49:47 GMT

- You guys have made very interesting improvements in page-rendering and usability, and that's definitely great : visiting a website has become a really pleasant experience. But now that I've visited the website that I'm interested in, how about *using* it and making something out of ? This is clearly a field that's not so much adressed by browsers and suffers from an obvious lack of features. So I want to discuss this with you.

- When I visit a website I usually need to take some notes, highlight some interesting stuff on it (could be images, text, ...), compare it to another website and so on. All these actions are *NOT* possible to accomplish today in a friendly and easy way, within the browser. I think it would be great if I could have a "Website Toolbox" (let's say a side-bar in IE8 which could be hidden or visible), that could allow me to select different parts of a site, make comments on them and highlight them, open another webpage in a second pane and compare the two pages etc. I'm sure you can think of various scenarions where such feature would be incredibly usefull.

- All in all, I think IE Team have made a great step forward to ensure that visiting web pages becomes a user-friendly experience, but now you should think about the next step. Improving the way users manage all the information collected from visiting web-pages could move IE from "a great browser" position to "an outstanding browser" one. Think about it :)

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Chris — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:39 GMT

IE 8 Beta 2 is AMAZING! InPrivate is the complete shizzleness. Only option I'd suggest is something where you always start in that mode when opening IE.

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bill — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:56:07 GMT

Microsoft wants beta testers for IE8, but it's impossible to submit bugs on that site.

Why should I user IE8beta2 if I can't submit bugs????? Come on, let me submit bugs on that connect web site.

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Mike Diack — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:18:28 GMT

Is there someway you could clearly list what features are available in the XP build vs the Vista build. This blog doesn't make it clear.

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Randy — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:16:31 GMT

The color of tab does not disappear when going to another website or typing in a website in address bar.

When user go to other website the color of the tab should change to default color tabs if user go to another website.

I see a list of C:\Users\randy\Favorites\Links\IEBlog.url in the smart address bar.

When command bar is place on top left i can't place the favorite bar on right top side the same level as the command bar.

empty space is wasted when user place command bar on top left.

I like the Accelarators the only thing that's missing is when you mouse over image it doesn't display the small blue arrow icons

Basic Features Still Missing

Kyle — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:09:20 GMT

We're still missing an inline spell checker in IE! EVERYONE else has this basic functionality without the need to install an additional add-on. Do you know how annoying it is to use a web form only to find out that you misspelled words after you hit submit.

IE8 adds yet more Web 2.0 functionality, yet doesn't perform a basic spell check as I type. What gives?????

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Nyj — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:07:09 GMT

Is this true about Inprivate mode?

"Although casual users cannot see the previous user’s search history, authorities such as the police will be able to access it if necessary"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,412161,00.html

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Desidério Murcho — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:16:13 GMT

For some reason one of my websites displays strange in IE8: parts of the page are missing until you click near them. The page has been validated:

criticanarede.com

My other sites work well:

disputatio.com

aartedepensar.com

defnarede.com

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Ralph — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:54:00 GMT

Not too bad getting better :-)

In Beta 3 I would like to see more of the known bugs in IEs Javascript and DOM manipulation fixed.

I should be able to set innerHTML on every element without crashing by users browser.

I want to use the standard event handlers too. writing extra code just for IE seems pretty pointless.

When I open a new tab I want it to be the very last tab. So if I have 6 tabs and I'm on tab 2 (from the left) I want new tabs to open as tab 7,8,9... I would suspect that this is the most common behavior since thats how other browsers do it but if you just want to make it an option and not the default thats fine too.

Text selection is still jittery as if the browser is really struggling to decide what to highlight.

Pasting in the address bar has caused a crash for me once but I hear lots of people complaining about it.

The domain highlighting is still horrible (no improvement from Beta 1's test run) bolding by default would be the obvious choice to make it better, but having options to switch between (1) Bold domain (default), (2) Grayed non-domain, (3) Turn it off, I'm not a noob.

settings would be best.

The "about:blank" text on new tabs (or "about:Tabs", or "about:WhereDoYouWantToGoToday") is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, frustrating! It always gets in the way when trying to type or paste a url because the tab loads so slowly!

While on the subject, can we change the case of "Tabs" or whatever you have in the url to lower case? It looks weird compared to other browsers.

The reload and stop buttons are still in the wrong spot. I suppose this won't be an issue when the toolbars are customizable again!!!! Will the movable tools/menus/toolbars be in Beta 3? or do we have to wait until RC releases?

During the setup of IE Beta 2, the setup IGNORES the system settings to turn off the stupid Start/Stop Navigation sounds BTW. This is one of the first things most users turn off in Windows because with headphones on the clicking during music playback is very interfering (not to mention during normal surfing)... and sounds real dumb when JS submits a form, then a page change occurs, then a redirect, then another... all you hear is... C-L-I-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-K it makes IE sound like a very old piece of software.

ClearType rendering is still a mess and needs to be turned off (preferably by default).

How are we to set opacity in IE8? this was broken in the betas but no info was provided on how to get around this limitation.

Likewise in IE8 STD's mode, CSS Expressions are now null and void. While I applaud this move, the expressions were quite handy at fixing many IE CSS rendering bugs.

I still can't style select lists properly nor add behavior to the options via javascript.

The reported HTML when viewing the .innerHTML of any element is still a bowl of MSFT TagSoup[tm], can we not get this fixed? surely just reporting back what was set would be so simple? no? I don't think any professional developer would dream of using UPPERCASE tags or elements these days! It screams of amateur work.

Trying to use the scroll wheel to scroll content of an iframe with overflow:auto; does not seem to work anymore in Beta 2 (this breaks a bunch of sites where iframes contain "filmstrips" of featured videos or similar)

Javascript bookmarks are still too short and are hard to edit with all the silly warnigs.

Keep up the good work, looking forward to Beta 3!

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Kelly — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:36:28 GMT

I downloaded IE8 beta 2 on the day it came out in the hopes that finally Microsoft would fix IE, which has become a total straggler in the market for obvious reasons. Not only has it been years since it's been updated, it is the only modern browser that is a total DOG.

So...there's not much to say about the new version. Basically it doesn't perform any better or differently than IE6 in any key performance area. Pathetic!

It's sad that Microsoft can't see the forest for the trees. Why is the dinosaur still approaching IE as if it were Word 2005...? GUYS--please. No one wants more bouncing paperclip features (or renamed versions of dumb ideas from previous versions). I thought your big forte was copying others: JUST MAKE A BROWSER THAT WORKS LIKE THE MANY OTHER "A-GRADE" BROWSERS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT FOR YEARS. PLEASE.

It's a sad day when the largest software company in the world has years to develop a new browser and they're STILL getting their [behind] kicked by the likes of OPERA....

What a joke.

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defmoz — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:13:52 GMT

In my Quick Pick menu there's a globe icon and it's yahoo search. yahoo search was provided by my ISP. Can i remove the globe icon/yahoo search?

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Vince — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:25:13 GMT

@defmoz: If your ISP is interfering with your software, its time to get a new ISP. ISP based browser versions is Soooo 1999.

Wake up, point your IE at http://www.GetFirefox.com/ and download the latest version. You won't be disappointed by your ISP interfering ever again.

Or Opera.com or Apple.com/safari any one of these 3 will knock your socks off if you are used to your ISP's locked down version of IE.

IE8 Beta 2 Releases

Out Of The Box — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:00:05 GMT

Internet Explorer Beta 2 released last week ( downloads ). Here is the current list of companies providing

Internet Explorer 8 et Trustworthy Computing

WebLog de Stéphane PAPP [MSFT] — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:25:41 GMT

Tandis que la beta 2 d'Internet Explorer 8 vient d'être rendue disponible via Microsoft Update (pour

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Nikhil — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:28:41 GMT

Hii..

I am not able to use Debugger in vs 2005 & 2008 with IE8 Beta2..!!

cn any one help me in this issue..!!!

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troubleshooter — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:29:37 GMT

@ www.softpedia.com comments

My CPU also went to ~50% on Softpedia.com, but a I noticed something interesting - when I moused over the News ticker, it dropped immediately to 0%. So the CPU usage is something to do with the way IE is interacting with the softpedia.com newsticker.

frames

Amble — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:40:55 GMT

One cannot ask the browser to show you just one frame as one can in firefox - right click to get "show this frame only". It is invaluable for allowing one to read just the interesting/relevant parts of a page.

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Sonic — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:13:18 GMT

I would like add any search provider I like just like in IE7. Please let me create my own search provider in IE8. Don't remove such features. http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/searchbuilder.asp

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Fersis — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:10:17 GMT

One thing i want to point out.

IE8 Beta2 is faster than IE7 , and i mean a lot faster.

So you have Fersis approval :D

PD:IE8 Beta1 was unusable, IE8 Beta2 is already faster than FF3 (At least on my PC )

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pkubaj — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:09:35 GMT

I found an error in IE8 Beta 2. I don't know if it's already been describen, but in case it's not here I' writing. After choosing Favourite Bar several times, Favoure Bar gets more and more narrower. Of course it's only when Favourites Bar isn't pinned.

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Kelly — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:34:57 GMT

This is a serious problem, if you call IE8 "standards-based" in any way: IE8 Beta2 gets the worst score I've EVER seen on the ACID3 test. http://acid3.acidtests.org/ (Not to mention popping up questionable errors in the process)

Gosh, I would have thought IE6 did better than that--oops, I can't check because I can't run more than one version of IE on the same system (how do you guys expect web developers to work with your products)...

Also, that validation link that someone posted in a comment above was hilarious-- 1500+ validation errors. Yes, this is a company I really trust to develop a web browser.

You need to stop adding all these bells and whistles and start working on the very basics, because you lost sight of those a long time ago. "Trustworhty" features are a big waste of time, if the browser itself isn't worth using.

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O. H. — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:05:44 GMT

I just downloaded the IE8 second beta, and wow.

I am returning from years of firefox to internet explorer territory.

Google Chrome

The View Master — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:51:48 GMT

Now, I Understand Why You "Rushed-Out" Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2:

Google Chrome

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pkubaj — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:49:02 GMT

@Kelly

Download Virtual Machine Image containing XP SP3 + IE6. By the way you can't demand IE6 to pass Acid3, because IE6 had been published before Acid3 was.

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Google Chrome — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:17:02 GMT

Google Chrome makes IE8 even more obsolete and irrelevant in this Web Standards world.

http://www.google.com/chrome

http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/09/01/162224.shtml

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dlh2009 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:33:06 GMT

Okay, guys. We have to speed up our progress.

Now Google is coming out with a web browser. IE needs to become way ahead of the show before Google's browser takes over. We don't want the same thing to happen to IE like MSN Search (Live Search). If Google over takes IE, then they are going to believe they can over take anything Microsoft creates.

Keep up the awesome work! I love IE8 Beta 2. Keep the new features coming!

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hks — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:00:20 GMT

damn, found a serious problem.

IE8 beta2 sends a totally new session ID in the first new AJAX request, but subsequently uses the new session ID, INCLUDING the parent page.

This destroys whatever session I had in the parent page.

I read that this happens for window.open too.

Hope there's a patch for this.

How do I file a bug?

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huh — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:03:09 GMT

So let me get this straight. You finally accept that shipping with Standards mode on by default is the best way to go, then you come back months later and tell us well not quite we are going to hold back the intranet still (and gosh darnit, we sure hope that doesn't make us keep a lock on proprietary code on the internet?)

Well done! Which politician works on the IE team? they certainly deserve a lot of credit for their spin.

Better yet is the "This site is running in Standards mode, would you like us to fix it by running it in the Microsoft mode?" switch with the broken page.

Very clever indeed.

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Eduardo valencia — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:48:05 GMT

The compatibility view icon isn't centered!!!

Fix it!!!

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nikhil — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:34:58 GMT

Yeah I agree with 'dlh2009'. IE8 Team keep going to improve IE with features, Performance and UI for sme eyecandy..

Atleast 2 new Innovative features from out of box..

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Jerry — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:39:18 GMT

When I accidentally select whitespace (e.g. double-clicking somewhere in the white "void" of the page, IE highlights a single space character. (fine) However it shouldn't offer up the Activities/Accelerators for a " " character, since the results would be pretty meaningless.

Although the error on Live Maps is rather pretty - not.

Can I test with either IE6 or IE7 still installed

Bob — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:34:50 GMT

As a web developer I have to have two machines - one for IE6 and one for IE7. Just checked one of my more active sites, and in Aug 08 17% of the hits came from IE6 - so it is still active. So, how can I test my sites against IE8. I'm NOT buying another computer for IE8, and I don't want to install VM. Both of my machines are XP. HELP !!

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

orz — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:59:29 GMT

Thank you for taking out spell check; maybe people will learn to proofread before they hit submit. =)

Automatic spell checking is a detriment to society--if people are forced to do their own proofreading, their spelling should eventually improve to a point at which automatic spell checking should no longer be necessary. Or are some people just genetically predisposed to poor spelling skills?

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Stifu — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:07:58 GMT

Bob: just use IETester.

http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

asif — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:57:41 GMT

middle click to close information bar

to duplicate a tab drag to empty space

icon in smart address bar need to change when searching.

bold domain highlighting

show inprivate mode in a new tab

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Eric — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:59:51 GMT

You people should be embarrassed. Google Chrome came out today and it is WAY more functional and about 300 times less buggy that IE8 beta 2. Unreal that with the resources MSFT has available to them this POS is all they can produce.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Angel Ochoa — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:01:17 GMT

Look, I don't wanna be rude ... but ... installed Google Chrome ... man ... you people must give it a try, then go back and made IE runs like it, then come back with a new browser and we can keep on talking.

By the way, IE8 hang on me on the http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ and i can't kill it in any form, it stops showing but when go the task manager is there, no one kills it, not even taskkill. I'm running a Vista SP1 Ultimate in an Assus A6J with 2Gb.

Not gonna test it anymore, sorry guys, there is no point. Hopes Beta 3 will be Chrome-level.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

omg — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:01:29 GMT

Have you seen how fast/cool Google chrome is?

Jeepers thats fast! smokes all browsers, including IE8 Beta 2 by miles.

Go Open Source!

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Open Source — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:12:56 GMT

Forget about IE8, can't even compete with Firefox 3.0, Firefox 3.1(in alpha testing, soon will hit beta testing status) or Google Chrome when it comes to web standards support, speed or memory management and efficiency.

Open source, putting the dinosaur browser to sleep and shame.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/

http://www.google.com/chrome

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

dlh2009 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:21:06 GMT

I just downloaded Google Chrome. It is terrible. It makes IE look fast when it loads web pages.

Now Microsoft just needs to out smart FF.

Can't Sign To MSDN Blogs Using Google Chrome

The View Master — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:28:51 GMT

I Can't Sign To MSDN Blogs Using Google Chrome!

I Get...

Invalid User Credentials

The username and/or password cannot be validated, or your account is locked out or has not been approved yet.

WTF???

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

AngelOchoa — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:55:31 GMT

The View Master: "I Can't Sign To MSDN Blogs Using Google Chrome!"

It works ok for me

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Rick Tr — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:40:54 GMT

I downloaded and installed Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Beta, boy was that a mistake. the browser would not even get all the way till it crashed, and it caused problems with another browser I used. Then I go to the website to see how to uninstall it, and it said to go to the control panel, then the uninstall programs, it would be listed there, WRONG, took me a while, I eventually found it by having it list recent updates. Once I uninstalled it, the version 7 started working again, loaded right, and the issues with the other browser was fixed. I am using Vista.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Rick Tr — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:40:57 GMT

Posted Via Google Chrome

The View Master — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:54:26 GMT

Got It Now Via Password Recovery...

Mahalo!

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

stalepie — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:43:13 GMT

I don't get any errors when signing into here with Google Crome. Stop bugging out.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

stalepie — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:54:09 GMT

"Scott McCloud" -- what, like "cloud computing"? Starfox?

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

SPARTAN-117 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:57:33 GMT

IE 8 Beta 2 is awesome, I like the new features such as webslices, and InPrivate. Now the only thing that is missing is a download manager. Google Chrome is not that great, it's overhyped, like every single other Google product. And Firefox is useless without plugins. Back to IE 8! Keep up the great work, must be fustrating to have all these Google fans and Firefox fans on your Blog. I'm sure you guys will come out with something incredible by the time IE8 is released.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Tester — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:11:14 GMT

Ok, so I tried Google Chrome, Firefox 3, Safari, Opera ... but I'm still on IE8.

Google Chrome crashed when I opened four tabs. The whole Chrome browser crashed, not just one tab. And what's with the GoogleUpdater.exe running the whole itme, which I didn't want or ask for?

Also the privacy settings seem meagre compared to IE8.

One thing I did like and would love to see in IE8: the "almost-full-screen" feel, which gives big (but not total) real estate to the web page. The way the status bar and pop-ups float rather than "move" or "hide" the web page.

Would be great to have a mode like this in IE8 RTM, it's also great for less IT-savvy users like my mum who just get confused by having more than two buttons.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

AngelOchoa — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:55:32 GMT

Back from the Chrome. I'm not a Google fan, I'm just a technology fan and the G. browser is faster than IE8, that is very important to me.

IE8 feels too heavy, in general is faster than FF or other IE versions but can't compete with Chrome in speed. But this could be an advantage to MS since they just need to improve the rendering engine because the rest is OK with IE8.

Lots of stuff can't be seen with Chrome but the javascript engine is great ( and fast, very fast ) and that is a big plus for applications developing, wich is my case now, the IE8 tools for developers are better but still in that Chrome wins in speed.

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

houten vloeren — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:28:48 GMT

Chrome rocks. It surpasses IE8 in many ways!

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

Halo_Four — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:27:11 GMT

Chrome is nice, and some of the similarities between it and IE8 are striking, particularly the isolated process model. Chrome and IE8 both launch child rendering processes to handle each group of tabs. Both launch the full browser image, passing command line arguments to specify channel details. Both assign the child processes to jobs to restrict their security privileges. Both use UDP over loopback as the IPC mechanism. It makes me think that Google took some hints from the already-released IE8 beta.

Chrome does take this further by also isolating plug-ins in child processes. It's a great idea in theory as a crash within the plug-in itself would not cause the page on which the plug-in was loaded to also crash. However, judging from the Chromium code it also requires a lot of hackery to work around plug-ins that were simply not designed to be loaded out-of-process.

It is my opinion that it would be worthwhile for Microsoft to look into also hosting plug-ins out of process, not necessarily for IE8 but future endeavors. I feel that if you and Google could put some of your differences aside you could publish some good guidelines to plug-in designers to make their plug-ins function correctly in an out-of-process. The weight of both companies could likely enforce those guidelines which would improve reliability across the board.

Microsoft further improves security in IE8 Beta 2

Harry Waldron - Microsoft MVP Blog — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:58:38 GMT

[l] The second beta version of IE8 was released on August 27th. It is working well in testing so far

Microsoft further improves security in IE8 Beta 2

Harry Waldron - My IT Forums Blog — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:06:24 GMT

The second beta version of IE8 was released on August 27th. It is working well in testing so far. Only

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

chscott — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:31:53 GMT

One of the best features of IE is "inline autocomplete" for URLs. Why was this feature removed? As usual, Microsoft does not listen to its customers...

IE8 + Outlook Express 6 font settings

amk — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:45:05 GMT

Eric

I installed IE8 beta 2 today. All my font settings in outlook express 6 vanished and am unable to reset it. The font was permanently set to Times Roman with IE8. So, I uninstalled IE8.

You guys working on this ?

re: Trustworthy Browsing with IE8: Summary

iddaa — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:20:47 GMT

The compatibility view icon isn't centered!!!

Fix it!!!

User control over settings - need a better detail UI

Chris Quirke — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:29:34 GMT

On "Trustworthy", we need better user control over settings detail, given how this can be automated by software (e.g. Acrobat Reader 9 silently enabled active content).

Ideally, it should be possible at a glance - through logging changes and by improving the UI - to see when something'd been fiddled with. It's not enough to show "Custom" rather than a template name, because what if your choice of settings is already "Custom"?

The current settings detail scales too poorly to show everything concisely; perhaps a table with collapsable rows for settings and columns for zones would be better (and tabs for multiple user accounts? Pivot to columns for user accounts and tabs for zones? A lot of complexity, but if that's what it takes...)

Pop-ups happen unexpectedly, even in IE8, so clearly we have not succeeded in limiting what sites can do.

Also, the old IE8 Tools, Options, Advanced setting to "disable 3rd-party extensions" does not disable 3rd-party additions to the new IE8 UI (i.e. the Tools menu).

Chrome vs. IE8

Chris Quirke — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:37:11 GMT

I find it hard to take Chrome seriously, when it's based on a code base version that is already known to be exploitable, has already been PoC'd in the wild, and has already be retro-patched (in Safari).

If Google want us to trust the large exploitable surface of their new JavaScript engine, then they have to convince us they can speedily detect and patch code exploitability. This, the above fails to do.

It's also interesting how my initial perception was "Google beat IE8 to market with these new features", because the way Chrome was released, felt like an RTM than a beta 1.

In reality, IE8 beta 1 debuted many of these features a while ago, and is already on beta 2 by the time Chrome's very first public beta came out. Great smoke, Google; nearly hid the substance from me for a while, there.

Rick Tr: What other browser did you use?

Chris Quirke — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:41:21 GMT

Responding to Rick Tr's comments about how IE8 beta 2 caused trouble with another (unspecified) web browser, I have to ask; what other browser was it?

The reason I ask, is in case it's a browser that's based on IE, as some are. Changing the code base under such browsers (especially to a new beta) seems likely to end in tears!

New URL in address bar, change tab color

Chris Quirke — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:51:31 GMT

I agree with Randy on this; if I enter a different address in a colored tab, the color should change as I'm breaking out of that group (and change back if I "Back" my way back to it... implying color-tracking in history).

I love the colored tabs, but in a way, it's the start of a whole new feature set for it to be as useful as it could be.

Auto-reloading after crash - always a good idea?

Chris Quirke — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:03:22 GMT

If a page crashes the browser, should IE go on endlessly re-loading the page?

Or should there be an awareness that after the second time the reload fails, maybe it's better to stop?

So far, I've had two big IE8b2 runtime melt-downs. In the first, the whole of IE crashed rather than just one tab (first time I've seen that in either IE8 beta) and the result was a a 40-item-high stack of "send details to MS" dialogs, etc. It was a bit like selecting every file in System32 and then leaning on the Enter key :-)

The second was where IE8b2 had been running in XP SP3 for a few days, with lots of tabs open in two windows, many of which were stalled on Active Content permission prompts (yes, I like and use Prompt). How many tabs open? I don't know, as I can't find an UI to tell me.

Ctl+Alt+Tab showed System and IExplore both at 50% CPU, and it was hard to get a click in edgeways... closing IE eventually ground to a standstill and I had to bang my way out via End Task. Another stack of crash report requests and OKs (i.e. "Done", Close) to click.

When I started IEb8 again (after shutstarting XP to clear heaps etc.), I chose Yes to re-open all tabs (how about more choice there, like a page of links, instead of "Open all tabs at once" or "lose track of what you had open for ever"?). So that rapidly went the same way... seems to me that if the last multi-tab session ended badly after opening each tab one at a time, then opening all of them at once is unlikely to work any better?

IE8 b2 crash when starts to download a file

Jovan — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:11:37 GMT

I'm using IE8 b2, and a have a big problem with downloading files. When I press the link of the file, ie just pop up the download window and stops reacting. The only way to shut down the ie is task manager. The same thing is hapening when I'm trying to open pdf files. Page just goes blank and ie stops reacting. What should I do to resolve this? Guess I'm not the only with this problem.

Browser Reviews: Internet Explorer 8

Reddnet Scribbles — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:57:52 GMT

Part 3 in my roundup of the new breed of web browsers. In this installment I'll discuss the beta version of Internet Explorer 8...

MSDN FLASH IRELAND - INTERNATIONAL RESOURCES - 15 September 2008

Microsoft Ireland Blog — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:23:42 GMT

a {color : #0033CC;} a:link {color: #0033CC;} a:visited.local {color: #0033CC;} a:visited {color : #800080;}

Internet Explorer 8 RC1 Now Available

Windows Experience Blog — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:55:15 GMT

This afternoon, Internet Explorer General Manager Dean Hachamovitch has announced the immediate availability

UAC design

neuronspark — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:30:54 GMT

Engineering Windows 7 The first issue to untangle is about the difference between malware making it onto a PC and being run, versus what it can do once it is running. There has been no report of a way for malware to make it onto a PC without consent.

UAC 업데이트 정보

Engineering Windows 7 — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:29:38 GMT

    안녕하세요. 이번에는 Jon DeVaan 이 최근에 UAC 에 대해 받은 피드백에 대해 이야기하겠습니다.  Windows 7 을 완성하기 위한 작업의