The IE8 Smart Address Bar Without Windows Search

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XP SP3 — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:45:32 GMT

What about XP SP3? What does it use? Search 3?

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Christopher Vaughan [MSFT] — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:55:37 GMT

Windows XP does not include Windows Search to the best of my knowledge. That includes SP3. You can however download WS3 or WS4 from the URL I refer to in the post.

-Christopher

re: OT: Introducing Application Compatibility revisited

lynncr — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:48:41 GMT

Off-topic:

I noticed that in the "Introducing Application Compatibility" article from 8-27-2008, one of the comments of the article said that you can create a registry entry for control of this at:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_BROWSER_EMULATION]

My question: Is there going to be an equivalent item in the INTERNETFEATURELIST enumeration that I can use via CoInternetSetFeatureEnabled()?

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Dave — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:01:32 GMT

Is IE8 still going to load up stuff off my desktop when I type in a value and press enter?

(PS I hate this "feature")

E.g. If I have an icon on my desktop for "media", (a folder) and I type in "media" then press enter... is IE going to go to my default search provider and run a query? (e.g. Google for "media") or is it going to open the folder on my desktop? (undesired)

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Mike — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:26:15 GMT

Is there a way I can setup IE so that when I type an URL that is invalid it doesn't remove the URL I typed? It is very annoying to mistype and commit, then try to go back an fix it before IE sends me to the search page because the URL is invalid and then replaces the URL in the Address Bar with the search URL when all I need to do is fix a letter.

I'd prefer to not even need to go to a search page if I type in a valid URL. Even if the domain suffix is incorrect ".comn" it is still a correctly formatted URL. Can you put in an option to allow us to setup IE to do nothing then but tell us the page isn't available and keep the Address Bar alone?

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gkeramidas — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:49:21 GMT

1. i show windows live as my only search provider and i see the shift-enter option.

2. what if i don't want any search provider? i don't see any way to remove the one that's there. i believe in ie7 the remove option is available.

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EricLaw [MSFT] — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:19:54 GMT

@gkeramidas: You could never remove the last search provider; you must always have one. You can hide the search box if you'd like; see http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/tweaks.asp

@Mike: See Tools / Internet Options / Advanced / "Search From the Address Bar" for the option to turn off this search.

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Marc F — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:26:11 GMT

I have Vista Business (32) with WS v4 and no matter what I try I cant get RSS feeds/items to display in the address bar drop down.

History and Favorites display fine. The indexer is indexing: ierss://{s-1-5-21-1696455099-3907157074-2640921625-1000}

Any ideas?

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NameRequired — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:42:39 GMT

IE8B2 on Vista x64 with WS v4 does not list any of my favorites from the "smart bar".

Desktop search (e.g. from the Start menu) *does* list my favorites, which is odd ...

My favorites are located in a non-default location (I changed the location using the Favorites folder -> Properties -> Location tab feature). Favorites show up in IE and can be modified without problems.

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Brandon Bloom — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:49:44 GMT

The AI community at large does not use the phrase "word breaking". Instead, it is generally called "word segmentation".

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Ted — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:05:37 GMT

Brandon: The WTFAYTAW community at large doesn't use the phrase "word segmentation". Instead, it is generally called "floozle flossing." Thanks.

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Christopher Vaughan [MSFT] — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:15:40 GMT

Marc F: This sounds like a bug. If your machine is busy, it may time to index your feeds, but in general, I haven't heard of them not appearing. We'll try to repro internally. One note: we know that feeds with a "?" in their title don't show up in the index - we'll fix that post-B2.

Name Required: We only index favorites in the default location in B2. We'll find favorites in non-default locations after B2.

Ted: Thanks for making me smile.

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John — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:30:24 GMT

The problem I'm experiencing is that results should pop up instantly. Mine are taking 4-5 seconds to display. This is fine for advanced searching, but I should at least see URL autocomplete matches immediately. When I type "recon", it should show www.reconditionedsales.com immediately, and then continue to work on other possible matches.

John

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Sterling — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:52:07 GMT

One of the things I hated about Windows Search (in XP), which always resulted in me uninstalling it, was that it would hog the system at start up, but then I read online about configuring Windows Seacrch to only index certain folders (I set it to only index My Documents, Favorites and History) so that the indexing time would be shorter and Windows Search would not index files that change every time the machine boots.

I just reinstalled Windows Search and I am very impressed at how matches are quickly displayed in the Smart Address Bar as I type.

Mucho props to y'all (IE and WS team) for the great way Internet Explorer and Windows Search work together.

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Soum — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:09:33 GMT

As I understand it, IE8 is a front end to Windows Search. Does it mean IE8 can use the Windows Search Advanced Query Syntax to manually restrict the scope of the search (like limiting to RSS feeds only or limiting history searches to past 2 days or such).

Are IE items searchable from the Windows Search Deskbar/Windows Explorer-mounted search boxes? Is the AQS syntax usable from there? If so what are the properties that are available from AQS?

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Marc F — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:10:26 GMT

Chris: Thanks for the info. Prior to this article about WS combined with the Address bar, I had auto complete disabled.

I enabled auto complete and only fav's and history items appeared. Then I rebuilt the index and now its working.

You might be right that the sys was still indexing. When I opted to rebuild it, I let the sys idle until it completed.

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David Naylor — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:37:45 GMT

I still don't understand why you didn't just include the Windows Search functionality with IE8. Wouldn't that have respected their work? Cos frankly, without it the IE8 smart bar is pretty dumb.

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PatriotB — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:30:15 GMT

@David Naylor -- if the entire Windows Search were bundled with IE (for XP), you'd probably see someone (coughGoogle) complaining of antitrust bundling violations. "MS is trying to illegally use their IE monopoly to increase the marketshare of their desktop search product and hurt competition (e.g. Google desktop search)."

Plus, I believe I remember reading numerous complaints (non-antitrust-related) from people about how Windows Search was bundled with Live Photo Gallery.

The other option is to clone all of Windows Search into an IE-only copy... that would be pretty silly though.

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David Naylor — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:51:54 GMT

"The other option is to clone all of Windows Search into an IE-only copy... that would be pretty silly though."

No, it wouldn't. It would have made perfect sense actually.

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SomeGuy — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:08:52 GMT

David: so that you can index the same data twice? ...

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ERP Software Systems, WEB Sites Development and Design — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:09:25 GMT

Very well done. Does address bar work like search engine for internet sites?

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Phylyp — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:54:04 GMT

@Sterling: Not to sound like a Vista fanboy, but Vista's IO priority levels make it feel even more responsive than XP _with respect to the search indexer_.

@everyone: Disclaimer: Whether Vista is more responsive than XP on the whole is a separate topic, and is not the objective of my comment :)

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David Naylor — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:23 GMT

"David: so that you can index the same data twice? ..."

Sure, why not. I just think the smart bar sucks without this functionality. But hey, I don't really care, Firefox 3 is way better anyway and I still wouldn't ever recommend IE8 over Firefox.

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greatidea — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:25:57 GMT

Great job IE team. Windows Search 4 is currently the best desktop search on the market. Beats Copernic and Google. But you should highlight this when IE8 RTMs. Something like "Works better with Windows Search". Otherwise people won't know.

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Christopher Vaughan [MSFT] — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:57:10 GMT

John - We are considering ways to improve perf/responsiveness post-B2.

Sterling - Glad we could help.

Soum - IE8 does use AQS to WS. In fact our searches are limited to the index based on how long your history is set to expire (by default 20 days), and while you can customize that amount, you cannot independent customize our query. We restrict our data from showing up in other places. From the shell etc. you can still query some basic IE data, like Favorites, like you always could.

ERP Software Systemes - I believe one feature of WS4 is the ability for it to use remote scopes. So, you could configure your users' machines to include the WS scope for your intranet site to their local searches by default. I suppose you could leverage that feature to allow your internal users to search across Intranet sites too, but I have not tried it - and I don't know if users would appreciate it or not. I think a better option is to author and internal search provider so they can easily search your Intranet from the search box.

David - One of the key lessons we learned from the SDL is "do not ship a copy of other people's code." The reason for this is you're responsible for fixing every single security issue, hotfixes and customer requests. Best to let the other team be the experts at their own code, like I said early on in this post.

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Sterling — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:13:08 GMT

@Phylyp: I hear ya! I would switch to Vista if the current machine (and, yes, OS (XP), wasn't working well. I'm afraid the money tree I planted out back hasn't sprung any leaves yet ;-)

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vickyadams — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:46:00 GMT

I still can imagine how the mart address bar will be...But I think it's important to make it really user friendly because for common user to get adapted with something new is not easy. Especially if they use search tool oftenly.

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Matt Ellis — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:21:15 GMT

Nice post. A couple of quick questions:

1. Do you search the content of RSS feeds, or just the titles? My experiments show it's just the titles...

2. How do you stop your data appearing in the shell search results?

Cheers!

Matt

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