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互联观察 — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:20:41 GMT

Admin kit 8 , So good so strong!

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Justin — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:06:50 GMT

The whole idea of being Big Brother and forcing all users in my enterprise to use a particular Mapping site, or a particular Search site seems darn right pretentious.

This is 2008. No one wants to be forced into using site A vs. site B.

Even installing the IE8 Beta 2 VPC image was painful, having to change every single option from an MSFT site, to a better and/or market leader site.

Branded browsers are dead. Have been for 5 years.

So much for innovation on the web.

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Andy Shelford — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:40:53 GMT

Justin, have you ever worked in the IT department of a large company?

My guess is not. If you did, you'd understand the value this offers, and this is one of the key reasons why the enterprise refuses to move away from IE. Branding is IMPORTANT.

Help

Kasya — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:39:58 GMT

Where can i post suggestions and bug reports for IE8?

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omar — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:49:31 GMT

Is the window.onresize event going to be fixed in IE8 beta 3???

This is very aggravating to workaround. I now have to have a setInterval timer fire every 5 seconds to see if there has been a change in order to intercept this.

For one it is highly resource intensive when it doesn't need to be but more so it can take effect upto 5 seconds after the actual event is fired.

I would set the timer to a smaller value, but the performance becomes an issue.

(note: I'm talking about in IE8 standards mode, I have no idea if this still works in IE7 mode)

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Clive — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:29:56 GMT

I wanted to post on the CSS vendor naming post but it is closed.

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TOOK ME FOREVER TO WEED THROUGH THE COMMENTS AND CONTEXT TO REALIZE THE FOLLOWING:

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-ms-filter:alpha(opacity=25);

ABSOLUTELY DOES ***NOT*** WORK IN IE8 Standards mode!! (I wish this had been clarified!)

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in IE8 Standards mode, it MUST BE AS FOLLOWS, or it will render 100% opacity.

-ms-filter:"progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Alpha(Opacity=25)";

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I for one see this as A MAJOR embarassment that it (a) wasn't clarified, and (b) is so horrendously verbose for a property that could be supported (*cough* aliased) as:

-ms-opacity:0.25;

What an utter waste of our time and patients.

Thank you for making it sooooooo darn painful IE Team, thanks.

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Mephiles — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:34:33 GMT

@Clive

Calm down. There's no need to be so rude. The IE team have been working their arses' off hours on end to make IE8 standards compliant. They're bound to make mistakes, just like everyone else.

May I also remind you that it's still in beta.

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Stanley R — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:04:14 GMT

@Clive that is not all.

When you use the -ms-filter: stuff in IE8 (beta 2) for opacity it also doesn't correctly handle multiple CSS z-index stacking orders.

e.g. lets say you have a page some body content.

Then through JavaScript, you add a DIV to the END of the body element, with an ID that matches CSS that defines a z-index of 1000, and -ms-filter:...blah blah opacity... position absolute, resized to cover the entire body (e.g. an overlay)

so far so good.

now, you add another DIV to the body (not nested in the overlay DIV!), and add it to the end of the body.

assign it (via CSS) an index of 2000 and position it absolutely over the "overlay" DIV. (e.g. like a modal dialog, over the browser window)

But!!!!! it doesn't work in IE8 beta 2. the alpha filter is applied to EVERYTHING on the screen regardless if it has its OWN z-index stacking order!!!!!!!!!

Yet another HUUUGE bug in IE8 that I hope is fixed in the next beta.

with 2 divs (siblings), ID'd as "divA" and "divB" in the body.

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richard — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:07:02 GMT

@Mephiles: Clive is right to be ticked off, there was nothing stopping MS from putting in "-ms-opacity:0.50;" other than the fact that it would have made sense.

The fact that they didn't shows a un-interest in moving towards the CSS3 standards we hope they will very soon support.

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Stanley R — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:10:30 GMT

- ignore that last line: "with 2 divs..." it was a copy/paste error.

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Jatinder Mann [MSFT] — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:11:05 GMT

@Kasya

For more information on providing feedback, please take a look at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/07/30/wanted-ie8-beta-testers.aspx.

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EricLaw [MSFT] — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:33:24 GMT

@Clive: As stated in the comments of Harel's post, the shorthand syntax still works, but as he noted, standards require that you quote the value because some of the characters used (e.g. the equals sign).

-ms-filter:"alpha(opacity=25);"

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Travis [MSFT] — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:52:02 GMT

@omar

Unfortunately, we didn't catch this regression before Beta 2 shipped. Rest assured, it's been fixed internally at this point.

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mike d — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:21:17 GMT

@Travis [MSFT] what about the more important z-Index bug that Stanley pointed out? Has this been fixed internally?

it is wrecking all my "lightbox" like CSS effects.

PS EricLaw [MSFT] I think you mean:

-ms-filter:"alpha(opacity=25)";

(semi-colon goes last)

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Simon Thompson — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:38:03 GMT

Two quick points.

Firstly the link "IEAK8 Beta is now available publically for everyone to try." Currently the url has a full stop at the end of it which causes a 404 error.

Secondly, is there an option to disable the instillation of tool bars using IEAK? The amount of times I come finding a users PC has 2 or 3 tool bars installed by Java updates is growing at an annoying rate.

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someone — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:55:15 GMT

Will the IEAK ever support importing and deploying saved passwords?

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Jatinder Mann [MSFT] — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:46:42 GMT

@Simon Thompson

We have fixed the link to the IEAK8 Beta. My apologies for that. To answer your second question, we currently allow you to remove existing toolbars, however, there is no provision to disable the installation of certain toolbars. As this is a Beta, we will take your feedback into consideration. In the meanwhile, you may find the 'Allow third-party browser extensions' Group Policy to be useful.

@someone

This is an interesting idea. IEAK is a quality driven product; we will take your feedback into consideration.

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John — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:45:17 GMT

Has anyone else noticed that it's an anagram of IKEA, a company that provides build it your self furniture?

Now we have build your own browsers.

Does IEAK come in flatpack?

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Jatinder Mann [MSFT] — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:12:21 GMT

@Simon Thompson

You can manage third-party add-ons, like toolbars, using the Add-on Management Group Policy (Internet Explorer -> Security Features -> Add-on Management). You can find the toolbar GUID from the Manage Add-ons dialog (Tools -> Manage Add-ons).

"Vita Per Moenia"

Eghost — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:55:30 GMT

To:General Manager Dean Hachamovitch and Architect Chris Wilson

Gentlemen I would like to see on the IE blog. A announcement or title for the UI changes or a discussion on the UI. IE blog Team has done a lot on the features built-in to IE but has ignored the UI. Yes I do have issues with the UI, it just seems to me Dean that Microsoft is ignoring them. To put it in perspective Microsoft's new battle cry or catch phrase is "Live with out walls" yet Microsoft has put up a wall with IE 8's UI. thank you for your valuable time gentlemen.

"Vita Per Moenia"

Eghost — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:58:12 GMT

To:General Manager Dean Hachamovitch and Architect Chris Wilson

Sincerly,

Eghost

"Vita Per Moenia"

End-use needs UI control over "unattend branding"

Chris Quirke — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:07:43 GMT

Yes, there's value in in-house corporate branding, and it is fair, too; after all, the corporation owns the PCs and has bought the time you spend working on them.

Where I agree with Justin, is with respect to OEM ("unattend") branding. The PC is bought from the OEM and is owned by the user, so why does the user's UI not enable control over the OEM's branding?

Quoting the original post: "RIES comes with a Remove Branding option; however, this option only removes ISP, ICP and Corporate branding; unattend branding will not be removed."

Disclosure: I build PCs for resale, i.e. I am a small-volume OEM myself... so if anything, I'd be expected to favour OEM control over users. But I can't see the value in obtrusively rubbing my "brand" in users' faces, after they have already bought my product.

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NN — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:04:19 GMT

What about MUI for IE8 ? :)

I have Windows with MUI, now I cannot install IE8 Beta 2 for my language :(

P.S.

Just a great browser !

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Well done! All great improvements!

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