Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2 : EasyCoded

Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2 : EasyCoded — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:51:49 GMT

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re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

WTPH? — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:29:05 GMT

WTPH?

What is a "window.attachEvent"??? I don't see that in my Standards based W3C ECMAScript DOM Event Listener documentation anywhere?

Funny, because I'm sure that MSFT said they were going to make IE8 render Standards Based Content by DEFAULT?

Oh wait, they took out the Intranet from that statement.

Oh wait, I guess they are only partially committed to standards when they decide they feel like it.

Way to commit! -- Not!

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

just how static — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:36:02 GMT

Does .toStaticHTML() also parse out style attributes from every single DOM element since in IE they have full access to JavaScript abilities too? Same question for style tags... same question for link tags...

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

TED — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:56:24 GMT

justhowstatic: toStaticHTML filters styles, javascript: URLs in A tags, etc.

wtph: You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. CSS Rendering != DOM Eventing.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

SuNcO — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:50:37 GMT

There are a LOT of updates.. but what about the main function.. i still got to much freze/crash. I uninstall it and wait until next build/beta/version

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

mocax — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:19:29 GMT

IE8b2 AJAX sends the wrong User-agent when in compatibility mode....

making my user-agent based session checks go crazy.....

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Ted — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:43:11 GMT

@mocax, your bug report would be a lot more useful if you said something more specific than "wrong"

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Stifu — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:48:48 GMT

Ted: it's already been reported with all the needed details in a past article, anyway, and an IE team guy saw it.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Anne van Kesteren — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:17:06 GMT

If you provide an origin in Access-Control-Allow-Origin rather than a * does it work as well? (It's required by the Access Control for Cross-Site Requests draft.)

Is localStorage now synchronous rather than asynchronous as it was in IE Beta 1?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

anonymus — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:44:23 GMT

Once again IE8 is left behind by the likes of Firefox 3.1, Google Chrome and Safari 4. You need to *leap ahead* or with the continuously declining marketshare, very slowly but steadily IE will fall to 10% and other browsers will make up the other 90%. The web in 2008-2009 needs a more solid more standards compliant more powerful browser.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Monza — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:33:45 GMT

Its a great browser for me,just improve when you open a browser for Inprivate to be default and if you have open normal browser should it ask you when you open the second one whether it should be InPrivate or normal

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

mocax — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:49:08 GMT

In compatibility view (click that broken page button), browser reports its user-agent as IE7, but the AJAX processes in the same webpage sends user-agent as IE8

So my session authentication interprets it as 2 different browsers.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

tame — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:27:02 GMT

Still waiting for proper DOM (events, style...) support... Implementing tomorrow web standards is great, what about the past & present ones...

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Azer Koçulu — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:54:51 GMT

What about indexOf method of arrays, w3c constructors (Element,Event etc..)? Will we wait IE10 (or 11,12,13?) for these real important requirements?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Hello — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:09:45 GMT

I hate the Navigator.onLine as it only tells you if the browser is in online mode ("work online") or offline mode.

To see if connection is lost, one must use setInticval and call an uncached image from a server.

Perhaps a non standard second event is required.

One more thing. It's great that IE 8 is working towards standards compliance, but some features would be good to be implemented, for instance the CSS border radius property. It saves using loads of redundant HTML tags + CSS and/or several images.

If IE 8 supports an implementation of border radius, e.g. -ms-border-radius then the three most popular layout engines will support it (Gecko + WebKit).

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Hello — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:18:19 GMT

Oh, and what about Element.prototype?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Travis [MSFT] — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:46:44 GMT

@Azer Koçulu, @Hello:

"Constructors" like Element, Event, etc., are in the Beta 2 build! For purposes of compatibility, they will not show up unless you're in "IE8 standards mode" (check with the Dev Tools).

Try this:

Element.prototype.theWorks = function()

{ return "yep"; }

document.createElement('p').theWorks();

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

brez — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:58:00 GMT

Shift + enter for the first live search suggestions

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

WhodaThunkIT — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:15:18 GMT

Yeah come on guys, get the js engine up to spec if you're going to bother with implementing proposed features. The event handling is a huge PITA and always something that developers end up having to write custom for IE.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

brez — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:19:39 GMT

some site is not being shown in history smart address bar autocomplete when selecting the dropdown menu

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Manoel B H Carvalho — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:36:21 GMT

Guys, please, focus on standards. I don't like headaches.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

@m _ rahman@ — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:02:13 GMT

CSS was meant as CSS dynExpressions, at least I'd ask the same question. All i hope now is to see people everywhere abandoning IE6! given that IE8 will be much closer to W3C standards not MS standards

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

roger — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:08:09 GMT

@TED: no, you obviously don't get it. IE8's standards mode applies to EVERYTHING in IE, rendering (HTML/CSS), actions (JS/DOM/CSS/Events)

You have either everything, or none, there is no CSS only upgrade.

If you want .setAttribute() to work, you ABSOLUTELY MUST be in IE8 Standards mode. This has NOTHING to do with CSS, thus the IE8 Standards Mode is ******NOT******* for rendering/CSS only.

"wtph" was pointing out yet another spot where Microsoft had the opportunity to do the right thing, and support standards out of the box for a new feature but instead went back to using proprietary cr@p.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

EricLaw [MSFT] — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:06:48 GMT

@Hello: <<I hate the Navigator.onLine as it only tells you if the browser is in online mode ("work online") or offline mode.>>

No longer. In IE8 Beta2+, navigator.onLine is also impacted by network availability, not just offline mode.

Internet Explorer 8 et le JavaScript : un détail intriguant

Blog - Britoweb — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:22:54 GMT

En parcourant rapidement un billet du blog de MSDN sur les mises à jour d'IE 8 concernant Ajax, je suis tombé sur le bout de code suivant qui m'a particulièrement intrigué : window.attachEvent("onmessage", HandleMessage);.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

William J. Edney — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:29:07 GMT

Sunava, EricLaw and the entire IE8 team:

First, thank you for enabling online/offline/navigator.onLine property on Windows XP!! I was the person who complained in the Microsoft feedback and you guys fixed it!! BTW, you need to update the online Microsoft documentation to reflect the fact that its no longer Vista only. I put a note on both the ononline and onoffline events to reflect that fact.

Second, you need to also update the documentation around localStorage to show that a domain is no longer necessary.

Third - *MOST IMPORTANT* - I discovered a bug with the <base> tag!

If you create a document that uses a <base> tag and meets one of the following 2 conditions, *it doesn't work* (i.e. it has no effect on the other tags that are relying on <base> tags, such as <style> tags):

1. The document is in strict IE8 standards mode.

2. The <base> tag's URL starts with a 'file://' URL.

I tried to report this, but can't seem to file bugs into the Microsoft Connect bug database for IE anymore...

Please contact me at: bedney@technicalpursuit.com if you need a testcase or more info.

Cheers,

- Bill

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

William J. Edney — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:14:01 GMT

All -

As I just communicated to Eric, I misspoke in the above message from me. It *should* read that *both* conditions must be present for the <base> tag bug to be exhibited:

1. The document is in strict IE8 standards mode.

2. The <base> tag's URL starts with a 'file://' URL

Cheers,

- Bill

Ludicrous!

BannedInBoston — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:53:42 GMT

Here are your priorities (in order, highest to lowest):

1) Full, complete, conforms exactly to the W3C standard CSS2.1 support.

2) Any implemented CSS3 features are also W3C conformant.

3) W3C-standard event handling.

4) Proper, complete DOM support/W3C JS API.

99) MSFT/IE-only 'features'.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Ted — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:29:15 GMT

Banned, the only problem is that your priorities are not the same as actual users. not everyone's a nerd.

Roger, please point to where ANYONE from the IE team or Microsoft has said they plan to support (in IE8) ALL of the so-called standards, including the self-contradicting ones and the ones that aren't even finished yet?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Sunava [MSFT] — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:55:09 GMT

@William J. Edney

Thanks William for your feedback and suggestions. We absolutely took your input into account when making the change.

Our Beta 2 documentation for MSDN is undergoing staged updates and DOM Store as well as the online property text will be updated soon!

I appreciate you pointing it out. I will defer the question on the Base tag to somebody else from my team.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Sunava [MSFT] — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:01:43 GMT

@Anne Van Kesteran

Hey Anne. The <origin> was something that was till recently being debated on the Web Apps mailing list so it couldnt not make Beta 2.

Localstorage is async however in conversations with Ian Hickson on the topic all parties clarified that the spec does not require or specify sync or async, but rather implemented atomically.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2008Jun/0015.html

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

matthew Dickinson — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:46:47 GMT

FIX MEMORY LEAK (IF IT EXISTS)?

ie8-beta2 has some memory problems. It seems to balloon in memory size (what it's using up according to MemUse.exe and Google Chrome and Task Manager). I'm using Windows XP -- maybe it works better in Vista. Still though, I think it kind of makes me want to go back to version 7 or even 6... or use another browser... but ummm well maybe it does work better in Vista. I only got 1.25 gigs on this machine, this Thinkpad X31! It's just annoying that your browser is leaking as bad as Firefox used to.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

matthew Dickinson — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:51:31 GMT

Obviously what Roger meant was that IE's standards applie to everything that *makes sense* in the Standards.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

matthew Dickinson — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:49:56 GMT

Hey, why didn't you post my last one?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

A User — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:36:42 GMT

TED: you sound like a developer who writes for IE only. What Banned was getting at is that the IE team need to focus on getting their standard support 100%. Why? Well as a developer who builds sites for multiple platforms and multiple browsers, it is only ever IE that gives me the biggest headache as I have to write custom javascript and css for it. The majority of other browser vendors are happy going in the same direction with supporting standards, while IE always seem to be focused on implementing yet more proprietory stuff.

The main problem is the IE team still think the browser wars are happening and that they have to try to beat the other vendors with new toys, however they're failing to see all the other vendors are heading in a unified direction focusing on W3C recommendations and browser speeds to make for a better user experience.

So far it has been developers who have carried IE's buggyness for the past decade, writing additional code to make it perform like all the other browsers. If developers stopped doing that and let IE render in all it's ugly glory I'm sure more users would seek a more stanards based alternative browser.

THE UI

Eghost — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:46:31 GMT

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but why won't Microsoft have a discussion on the UI? Why the walls of silence? I like your new battle cry against Apple, "Life with out walls" but yet when it comes to discussion the UI there is a wall. Why bother having a beta? In Beta 1 it was no we don't need to discuss the UI because beta 1 is for developers, Beta 2 is for that aspect, now here we are in beta 2 and what dose Microsoft do, put up a WALL and still has not even opened a discussion on the UI. Dean, why the silence? Why the Wall? Can anyone from Microsoft say, the reason why we are not discussing the UI is because yada, yada, yada. But this Wall of silence on the UI is just wrong....

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Ted — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:02:01 GMT

eghost, are you just trolling, or are you actually illiterate?

Just a few days ago, they had a post all about UI-- specifically, tab grouping and tab coloring. Before that, they had posts on the address bar UI, the search UI, and the favorites UI.

So, go back and read those, then come back and try to start an intelligent conversation.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Ted — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:04:25 GMT

A User, let me rephrase your post for you so you can help understand yourself.

"A User: If the world was a different place than it actually is, then users wouldn't want the things they want, and they would more often want to install the browsers that today, combined, have 1/4th the marketshare of the leading browser."

Now do you understand?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Anonymous Coward — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:52:49 GMT

"all the other vendors are heading in a unified direction focusing on W3C recommendations"

Yeah. That's why Safari added non-standard functionality for the iPhone.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

business blog — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:17:56 GMT

what happened the once monopoly Internet Explorer/Microsoft?!With the last few versions, they are continuosly losing ground to Firefox. I still use IE for some programs I need, but otherwise, it is not the first choice in the last yrs.

IE8 Beta 2 and XDomainRequest (XDR)

Mike Ormond's Blog — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:10:50 GMT

If anyone else is struggling trying to get XDR working on IE8 Beta 2 (as I have been) note that the server

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

mark — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:21:37 GMT

mmmm..... wow!! how shiny!!

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re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

mike — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:47:56 GMT

add a active link/mouse over link in address bar a feature found in fission firefox add on.

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re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Nick — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:42:09 GMT

Ted: "Banned, the only problem is that your priorities are not the same as actual users. not everyone's a nerd."

I can't believe you just said that.

We 'nerds' are the guys that MAKE the websites and we have been bothered with non-standard compliant browsers (IE6 and IE7) for a long time now. IE has cost companies thousands of dollars because every normal standard complient website had to be crippled specially for IE6.

Before websites go to the users they have to be developed. And developers like making standard compliant websites that work in every browser, so they can guarantee the website works for every user.

Making websites IE compatible is actually something people have to book hours for. That is absolutely insane.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Jason — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:06:17 GMT

@Ted: dude, you are such an MS fanboy it isn't funny!

I have not, and never will work for a company that promotes the use of IE proprietary code (for the web) over any standard. - NEVER.

I'm in a special category called: "Web Developers" that includes the majority of everyone that develops content for the web.

from roger's post on the use on attachEvent() when MSFT came forward with this blog post/statement (a 180 turn from the wrong direction they were going) the world of "Web Developers" went "ALRIGHT! MICROSOFT FINALLY GOT IT! - WEB STANDARDS COME FIRST!"

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx

Quote from the first paragraph:

"Microsoft's Interoperability Principles and IE8

We’ve decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we’ve posted previously. "

-------------------------------

Let me point out for you, in case you can't find the keywords.

We've <-- Microsoft

decided <-- A decision, not hearsay

IE8 <-- What product

will, by default <-- obvious

interpret web content <-- HTML,JS,CSS...

in the most standards compliant way it can <-- Web Standards

Thus yes, Microsoft has indicated that they do plan to reverse their bad behavior of trying to create a closed web, and be part of the bigger world wide community.

Using .attachEvent() in ***NEW*** developments, therefore qualifies as an EPIC FAIL!

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2 & TED

Eghost — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:22:31 GMT

Ted, their not actually talking about the UI, their talking about a specific's with in the UI, As you stated the the TAB's, and color, "WOW" Hey guess what it's just a small part of the UI. Microsoft is still ignoring the real UI. I had more control in IE 6 then I do in IE 7 or now IE 8. All I am asking is for is for Microsoft to give me the same control, that I ad in IE 6, Can you tell me that is to much to ask for? Fire Fox 3 has more control over the UI than IE 8. Microsoft needs to stop putting up walls when it comes to the UI. Locking up parts of the UI because in their opinion it's better, is just "Putting up Walls" If their going to advertise, "I'm a PC," and Microsoft is, "Life with out Walls" then they need to actually, "Walk the Talk."

Dean that is all I'm asking, "Walk the Talk." Give me the control I use to have, all I am asking for is, "CHOICE" I don't need Microsoft to choice for me. I want to choose for my self. All I want is, " LIFE WITH OUT WALLS." DEAN have a real discussion, about the real UI, walk the talk and stop putting up,"Walls"

IE8 Beta2 AJAX 的更新（一）（IE8 Beta2 Hand-on Lab）

译时代 — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:34:17 GMT

WindowsInternetExplorer8Beta2的一个主要目标是去提高开发者的开发效率，IE8开发人员通过提供跨浏览器以及一些强大的应用程序API去达成这个目标。

IE8bet...

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Jack Fynn — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:18:55 GMT

I hope Beta3 offers more then just some Ajax gimmicks, it seems way to early to focus on fanciness while pages are still breaking apart on IE8.

Even Chrome is able to out-compete IE8 with a quick effort, how hard can it be?

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

wonen — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:13:03 GMT

Chrome has it's flaws.

MS, please fix the comments!

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Jack Fynn — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:12:03 GMT

Of course, but put Chrome up against IE8b2 it's easy to see that IE needs to step up on core issues.

Implement Canvas, compatibility mode needs a lot of work it's not comparable to IE7. I could go on and on, these beta's have been a disappointment for any serious developer.

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

Patrick Corcoran — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:10:28 GMT

Ajax sites often require lots of JavaScript and CSS. Gzip-encoding these files helps mitigate this.

Any plans to fix IE8's inability to reliably accept gzip-encoding functionality? (It's not even on par with IE7.)

re: Updates for AJAX in IE8 Beta 2

quasi42vt — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:53:47 GMT

Okay, knowing that the IE team is and has always been paid to do a specific job *as directed* by the company...here's my two cents on IE 8.0:

1. "Standards" mode should be default and completely comply with W3C standards, no cheating and falling back on the MS proprietary code. Why even bother with having a "standards" mode if it ain't going to be standard? You can put all the "fudge" into "compliance" mode where it belongs.

2. "Compliance" mode is great. It's the only browser that will have one. It'll be good for all those companies that paid millions of dollars over the last ??? years to web developers to sweat, tremble and cry over making sure that all those company websites would render correctly in previous versions of Internet Explorer. Now they won't feel like they've thrown all that money down the toilet because IE 8.0 will still be able to fall back on that horrible MSHTML (that the IE team was directed by the company to wrap a browser around) at the touch of a button.

3. Opening each tab in it's own process is a great stride forward and for the first time in browser history, IE had it first out of the so called "Big 3" (soon to be "Big 4"). Sure, Chrome has it also and wraps each process in some sort of virtual machine and then sandboxes the whole thing but it's way too overkill for a first try and in the field and, too be honest about it...it doesn't work all that well yet. I like IE 8.0's "one step at a time" attitude here (I'm serious...I like it).

4. Tabs: I like the grouping of Tabs in IE 8.0 especially the coloring part. Finally, tabs that are easy to find and use for us multi-tabbers. Nice job on that one.

5. UI navigational layout: With all due respect to the team that came up with the UI for IE 7.0, come on folks, it's time to tell the company to wake up to reality...nobody really likes IE's new layout. I mean, after a decade and a half or so (since the beginning in other words) of having a nearly 100% standard in the layout of a web browser, whose bright idea was it to go mucking it up? It's like a major auto maker coming out with next year's model and switching all the pedals around, placing the speedometer and fuel gauge on on the passenger side of the dash, the radio in the rear dash and stuffing the steering wheel in the back seat. It simply doesn't work. The UI complainers are right, time to put a "default" IE 6.0/Firefox/ face back into IE 8.0.

6. How about inline spell checking? I mean, I kinda' pride myself on making sure my spelling is correct if not my grammer. Firefox has it. In fact, I had to paste this entire entry into Firefox comment box (this one, actually) in order to spell check the thing since I wanted to post this using IE 8.0 beta 2. Heck, even Chrome has inline spell-checking and they're the new kid on the block. The old "Undue/Copy/Paste/Delete" choices in the right-click menu on a comment box (like this one) simply doesn't cut it anymore. Time to make sure IE is at least equal to the other main stream browsers in the small features dept as well as moving ahead with all these fine new features. It's always the missing small features that folks are used to using in their everyday browsing that will turn them away from an otherwise fine effort.

6. And look, I'm not even asking about an AdBlocker (I know how to deal with them when using IE)...nice of me ain't it?

Okay, that's enough. Just a break from the nit-Picky and over-serious tone of the threads.

Have a wonderful day.

Completing Access Control support for XDomainRequest

IEBlog — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:17:35 GMT

Back in October , Sunava described changes that we made to the XDomainRequest (XDR) object in IE8 between

Internet Explorer 8 Beta 의 AJAX 업데이트

IE8 팀 블로그 — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:58:53 GMT

Internet Explorer 8 의 AJAX 분야 개선에 집중하고 있는 프로그램 관리자 Sunava Dutta 입니다. Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 가 공개되어,