I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

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Anith » I found a web page that doesn’t work, now what? — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:19:11 GMT

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re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

sroussey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:31:46 GMT

http://www.localsa.com.au/ie8/ and hit login.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

James Snape — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:18:32 GMT

What about sites where the rendering is fine but Javascript fails? e.g. http://brightkite.com and http://getsatisfaction.com?

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Paul Hill — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:43:29 GMT

And what happens if/when the site designer fixes the site to work in IE8? Does compatibility view work forever or is there an update sent out to IE8 users saying "These sites are now fixed, turn off compatiblity view"

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

boen_robot — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:55:35 GMT

I'd like to see the the bugs at

http://idreamincode.co.uk/ie8-final-release-bugs

fixed, plus this regression

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=339309

None are really fixed in IE8RC1. Is it too much to ask that those get fixed in the IE8 time frame? They appear to be the only thing standing to a really complete (and bug free) CSS 2.1 support.

@Paul Hill

If the user chose to use compatibility view, it's also their choise to turn it off. If your site starts to look bad in IE7 mode, then you can bet users would turn off compatibility mode. Until then, it shouldn't matter to you anyway.

If the user didn't chose to use compatibility view (but instead, you were on the MS list), then you can email MS to remove you from the list at the next list update cycle. BTW, I failed to find the email (or whatever) where you should opt-out from/report compatiblity stuff.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Max — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:38:44 GMT

So if a site contains svg or canvas elements is there a magic button I can press to see them?

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boen_robot — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:16:56 GMT

@Max

If it worked in IE7, it's the same button, though it didn't, so no, there isn't.

(I know you were sarcastic... I hope we can see some native SVG in IE9)

For SVG, there IS a magic *link* that you can click though. See:

http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/magic/svgviewer/win/3.x/3.03/en/SVGView.exe

(on Windows Vista, make sure you run it as an administrator)

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

jasper — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:44:20 GMT

It should be noted in the documentation or this post that:

Compatibilty View: Changes the page rendering (including (HTML parsing & rendering), (CSS parsing & application) & (JavaScript parsing & execution) on the page.

This means that in Compatibility View things like document.getElementById(id) and .setAttribute(name, value) are STILL horribly broken.

jasper

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

bjp106 — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:12:45 GMT

A browser SHOULDN'T have to have a 'compatibility mode'. Even though it fixes its own mistakes, the button should be taken out. It should just work. B/c of all the bad implementations in the past with the IE browser, you guys are definitely paying for it now.

I've definitely seen some improvement on RC1. But it still isnt there. You guys have been working on this browser for years now, and its still not ready. Will it ever be ready?

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Neal G — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:22:35 GMT

I've noticed on my own site that IE8 chokes on overflow: auto; by adding scroll bars to elements that don't actually overflow (Note that this worked in IE6, IE7, FF etc). I then added the IE7 meta tag hoping I could temporarily fix the issue by making IE8 render as IE7 only to find that your 'render as IE7' is also broken and introduces new bugs of its own.

It seems to me that you are no longer releasing one new browser with its own set of bugs but you are now releasing 3 browser with their own unique set of bugs, i.e IE8.8 IE8.7 and IE8.6.

The sad thing is there is no way for me to use conditional comments to target a subset version of IE8 since if I use [IF IE 7] it will target IE7 and IE8.7 both which don't consistently render my web page the same way.

Unless you guys pull off a miracle and fix your three versions of IE8, you will need to introduce some new conditional comments to target each sub version of it.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

hAl — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:29:48 GMT

About breaking addons...

I wonder if you have contacted the MS Office team for their horrible research addon that uses ton of resources even when the offcie research pane is not activly displayed and used in IE.

That addon should not use any significant resource unless the office research pane was activated in IE.

I surely expect an update for this terrbile addon before IE8 launch as you would expect other addon creators to improve their addons as well I presume ?

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

nelson — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:21:20 GMT

IE8 RC1 is NOT ready.

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=413508

IE8 really badly breaks the scope of javascript variables and is doing value assignment when NOT asked to.

IE8 RC2 ETA please.

Text underlining in IE 8 RC1 and related bugs

Gérard Talbot — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:18:19 GMT

@boen_robot

As far as I'm concerned, bug 339309 as filed, as described and as testcase-ed has been fixed. Text underlining still has at least 2 remaining issues.

1 remaining issue is that IE8 RC1 still fails this testcase:

www.howtocreate.co.uk/ieBugs/underline.html

which should be in another bug report, I'd say.

I've filed bug 408071

connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=408071

for another remaining issue.

Regards, Gérard

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

boen_robot — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:05:34 GMT

@Gérard Talbot

Hmm... now that I reread your bug description, I think I see what you mean. Though not passing your test case is exactly what I had in mind when I mentioned your report. The underline seems to only appear when the dummy text goes over into the monospaced text. And even then, the last line is not underlined.

I think IE8 will be ready when all currently reported bugs in Connect get fixed, but not before that. I'm really starting to think the MSIE team should release IE8 RC2. I'd be really awful if new regressions suddenly creep up with those fixes, but keeping those bugs (some of which are regressions!!!) doesn't exactly sound well either.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Ian Boyd — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:14:33 GMT

Did you guys un-end the Report A Broken Web-Page program?

Last time i tried to report a problem, it told me that the program has ended, and i can uninstall the Report A Web-Page Problem addon from the Control Panel.

So i did.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:42:32 GMT

@hAl: Yes, we're talking to the Office team about the Research add-on.

@Ian: The Beta version of the add-on expired in November.

Please see //go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=110518 for the latest version of the add-on.

Thanks!

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Mike — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:05:23 GMT

There are some simple layout issues with this page, especially lower down the page. Comes up Okay in compatibility mode.

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aldo — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:41:05 GMT

Sometimes I can't view a web page at all... The page just plain crashes IE8 RC1, and it tries again, crashes and tries again, and stops.

Its quite annoying, and the only way to fix it is if you are fast enough to click the Compat View button before it crashes again.

I don't quite understand why there is not an option on the error page IE shows after it has crashed 2 times to open the site again but in IE Compat View mode.

FaceBook's website started making IE8 RC1 crash today, but then it stops and starts again. :|

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Kristofer — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:40:10 GMT

Page rendering is the least of your worries; how about re-enabling support for "window.open" and other really basic client scripting things in IE8?

I kept getting "no such interface" whenever window.open was called in scripts after I installed IE8RC1. Uninstalled it after an hour.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

greg — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:07:07 GMT

@Kristofer - window.open still works in IE8 RC1 (I'm not sure why you were having issues) The only think I can think of is if you were trying to call this from the about:blank window (e.g. if you created another popup or iframe with about:blank as the source, then calling ***ANY*** JavaScript on this is broken (since IE7) in the "ANOS" (Almighty Name Of Security) I've yet to see any conclusive evidence how this makes anyone more secure but that's apparently history now.

PS is that the real spelling of your name? ;-) its the coolest version of "Christopher" I've seen.

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

todd — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:25:17 GMT

Doh! its next week - my bad.

The link to the IE Chats should be available on the main front page/every page of this blog.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/default.mspx

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Mike — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:45:35 GMT

I think this posted on ajaxian this morning really shows how much microsoft is holding back the web.

http://a.deveria.com/caniuse/#agents=All&cats=All&eras=All&statuses=All

re: I found a web page that doesn't work, now what?

Dan — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:09:58 GMT

Mike-- Cool page, but it really shows how EVERY browser is "holding back the web". Or that maybe, just maybe, the web isn't really being held back at all.

Kristofer-- Make yourself useful: post a repro URL.

Aldo-- Uninstall your broken add-on.