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Windows Internet Explorer 7

I had mentioned a while back that we planned to call the version of IE7 in Windows Vista “Internet Explorer 7+”. Well, the feedback we got on the blog was overwhelming – many of you didn’t like it. So, as we’ve said on our website, we heard you. I’m pleased to announce that we’re switching the name back to “Internet Explorer 7”. No plus. No dot x. Just “Internet Explorer 7”.

Specifically, here are the official full names:

  • For Windows XP: “Windows Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP”
  • For Windows Vista: “Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista”

Those can be a bit of a mouthful, so you’ll see us using the shorter “Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP” and “Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista” when we need to refer a platform-specific feature (like Protected Mode in Windows Vista). We’ll use “Internet Explorer 7” to talk about IE in general and features that are consistent across all platforms (like the Phishing Filter).

We’re glad we checked with you all before we shipped so we didn’t go out with an unpopular name. Thanks for all your feedback – keep it up!

Tony Chor
Group Program Manager

Published Friday, August 04, 2006 3:34 PM by ieblog
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# No More IE7+

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:02 PM by Robert McLaws: FunWithCoding.NET - Windows Vista Edition
Yep, IE Group Program Manager Tony Chor just announced that the masses have spoken, and the version of...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:17 PM by lynn
Hey, you can use the following free of charge if you like:

IE 7 XP

IE 7 Vista

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista - Full Screen!

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:18 PM by The View Master

Again...

OT: Internet Options ---> Advanced --->

[] Open New Windows Full Screen.

Mahalo!

;-)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:37 PM by Gabriel Lozano-Morán
Great! Now we only need to convince the .NET team to rebrand .NET Framework 3.0 to .NET Framework 2.5

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:38 PM by game kid
For some reason I didn't expect the change.

(and I wanted it)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:49 PM by Noah
Awesome. You listened. I was shocked to see it. Honestly, I didn't know the IE team knew how to do that.

Now, how about listening to our other thousands of suggestions?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:50 PM by Bogota
When will IE7 Final be released? Any hints or ideas?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 7:52 PM by greg
So if you know the full name is a mouthfull, why tack on the "Windows" at the front?  Oh yes, I remember.  It's because of the "it's not an applications, it's an integrated part of Windows" defense in the DOJ trial.

Anyway, this is an improvement.

# Internet Explorer 7+ rebranded to Internet Explorer 7

Friday, August 04, 2006 8:04 PM by Gabriel Lozano-Morán - The .NET Aficionado
Apparently a high number of users complained about the different naming for the Internet Explorer 7 browser

# Inline search

Friday, August 04, 2006 8:08 PM by Mark
Oh my god! You actually listen! In that case: please please please redo the in-webpage search, it's the only feature that I can't trump when my friends and I argue about which browser is better.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 8:13 PM by ???
Well the names are too long.......
internet explorer 7 & 7+ Sounded better

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 8:51 PM by Tony Chor [Msft]
Bogota: We plan to ship IE7 in Q4 of this year.

Mark: We desperately want to fix in-webpage search too, but it'll have to wait for a future version. We're locking down now and focusing on getting the quality right.

Noah: Hopefully you've seen from the blog and the product, we have been listening. We know there are tons of other things the community wants to see in IE; we'll get to do more of them in future releases.

Gabriel: Sorry, we don't get a vote on the .NET naming.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 9:36 PM by MusicRobRob
Hugely impressed - thanks for listening to us. :)  Posted about it on Neowin for yous.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 9:49 PM by amrta

myIE7.com,For Sale!!!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 9:51 PM by amrta
You've opened a new tab  
   
   
With tabs you can:
Use one Internet Explorer window to view all your webpages.  
Open links in a background tab while viewing the page you're on.  
Save and open multiple webpages at once by using favorites and home page tabs.  


To get started:
Press the CTRL key while clicking links (or use the middle mouse button).  
Click any tab with the middle mouse button to close it.  
Press ALT+ENTER from the address bar or search box to open the result in a new tab.  

 
    Learn more about tabs  

 
    Hide tab shortcuts  

Keyboard shortcuts Open links in a new tab in the background  CTRL+click  
Open links in a new tab in the foreground  CTRL+SHIFT+click  
Open a new tab in the foreground  CTRL+T  
Open a new tab from the address bar  ALT+ENTER  
Open a new tab from the Toolbar Search Box  ALT+ENTER  
Open Quick Tabs (thumbnail view)  CTRL+Q  
Switch between tabs  CTRL+TAB/CTRL+SHIFT+TAB  
Switch to a specific tab number  CTRL+n (n can be 1-8)  
Switch to the last tab  CTRL+9  
Close current tab  CTRL+W  
Close all tabs  ALT+F4  
Close other tabs  CTRL+Alt+F4  


Mouse shortcuts Open a link in a background tab  Middle mouse button on a link  
Open a new tab  Double click on empty tab row space  
Close a tab  Middle mouse button on the tab  

 
   
   Don't show this page again  Close

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 11:14 PM by 北京写字楼
good

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 11:15 PM by beijingxiezilou
very good

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 11:26 PM by Allain
Great job guys...for short I offer the obvious IE7 XP and IE7 V...now if you guys could only find a way to make them about:blank proof lol

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Friday, August 04, 2006 11:46 PM by Last one in
Call it anything you want, just get it to quit crashing

# APC Magazine » Microsoft dumps “unpopular” IE7+

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:16 AM by APC Magazine » Microsoft dumps “unpopular” IE7+
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:31 AM by Cam
Good work on the name change, and I'll put in another vote for IE7 xp and IE7 Vista.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:34 AM by Tyler Cranston
Great job!! Best decision!!!

# Finally I understand why codename is necessary

Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:15 AM by Steven Yong's Weblog
For a while I was puzzled by why there're so many products using codename before they are officially released, like Chicago (Windows 95), Tiger (for both J2SE 5.0 and Mac OS X v10.4), Avalon (Windows Presentation Foundation) and so on. Until I've came

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:57 AM by BB
General feedback.  Unrelated matter.

With the Find on this Page... feature in the search box, how about just having the search from the first field?  The modal window for the page find seems so clunky, but I understand if you have to keep it to support legacy applications.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 2:44 AM by Will
Thank God! Great call! :)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:46 AM by McoreD
I am sad to say, there is no consistancy in the naming.

* For Windows XP: “Windows Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP”
* For Windows Vista: “Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista”

It must be "Windows Internet Explorer 7 for Windows Vista", in my opinion, for consistancy and sound better. :)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:15 AM by Peter Gasston
I think I shall just call it 'IE7', perhaps 'IE7 for XP' or 'IE7 for Vista' if I really need to differentiate. Life's too short to keep using those mouthfuls that you've decided on.

# No more Internet Explorer 7+

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:16 AM by Spyware Sucks
The IE team have changed their mind about the name for Internet Explorer 7, in Windows Vista.  They're...

# 微软把IE7…重新命名为IE7

Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:28 AM by hongquan
在五月底的时候，微软的IE开发小组曾说过要将Windows Vista中的IE命名为“Ineternet Explorer 7 ”。但现在他们又改变了注意，放弃了“ ”的称谓，没有后缀，没有.x，就只是“Internet Explorer 7”。

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:06 AM by AJ
Well if you had shipped with your original name, you would have created a great deal of confusion amongst users who dont know any better, IE7 im pleased to say was dragged together because of Firefox gaining a lot of momentum i hope that firefox gets more market share, because then it will ultimately keep MS on their toes and the IE team developing and innovating, in an area where creativity is never lost.

One request for the interface of IE7 is that it seems the buttons are slightly too close together there should be a bit more space between them i think, it just looks cramped up there on the UI.

AJ

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:12 AM by Jim
What was the thinking behind for the different "for" and "in" naming?

Seems a bit odd to me. Surely both are "for" the OS, and neither is really "in" it?

Eitherway, everyone will end up saying "for" for both - normal people don't care enough that your marketing guys think being "in" Vista is cool or whatever.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:17 AM by Zyaq
Will the IE7 XP and IE7 Vista have the same version-number, or will you be able to tell which OS the customer is using from the version number og IE7?

With IE5 IE had different version numbers depending on OS, but in IE6 the same version number was used both on Win98 and WinXP.

Users are often not aware of the version of Windows they run, so it would be nice to be able to distinguish IE7 for XP and IE7 for Vista on the version number.

# Microsoft renames IE7 for Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:22 AM by Microsoft News Tracker
So what’s the new name? Microsoft’s Tony Chor explains at the IEBlog:

...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:26 AM by cooperpx
Wow. Thank you x 2 Guys! You're actually listening. :)

Since you're listening: IE7 looks great. It's a huge improvement, and I look forward to getting in and depending on it being there. Just please don't drop back to maintenance mode after release!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:32 AM by Dave
Thanks for changing the name. It just goes to prove that "preaching to the Chor" can work sometimes. (Ba dum pum, thank you very much, I'll be here all week.)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:52 AM by Luca
I preferred IE7+ ;-(

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:18 AM by Wouter
I'm a bit curious as to the thoughts behind using the word "for" in the Windows XP version and the word "in" in the Vista version. I mean, there must be some important reason for it, because it doesn't seem obvious to do it that way.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:38 AM by Jordan
The difference between 'for' and 'in' is quite obvious. IE7 will be available 'for' download for users of Windows XP, whereas Vista will be shipped with IE7 already 'in' it.

I hope that explains.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:49 AM by CX
I am assuming it is because one isn't required to upgrade to IE7 when using XP, meanwhile Vista ships with IE7 so it is "in" the Vista installation image.

Of course, I don't remember reading about it, but is Microsoft going to include IE7 "in" SP3 for XP?  If so, that would mean they would have to change the name for those installing from XPSP3 installation media to "IE7 in XP"... ;)



# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:50 AM by BenN
So the offical name contains the word Windows twice? What's that about?
Seriously guys, please be the first team to show some common sense and fight the marketing guys when they say it's Windows <insert product name here>. Pretty soon we're probably going to get something like Windows Windows Live Windows Internet Windows Explorer Live for Windows Live Windows XP Windows. And someone somewhere will think that's a good name...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:54 AM by Good Choice
Great decision!

I'm glad, thank you very much.

That's the way to go.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 AM by daza
I am so impressed to see that the name has been changed. Great work!

I do have somewhat of a suggestion though; is it possible to have tabs close on a double-click? Even if it's not a default option, but someting you can change in advanced settings? It makes life so much easier, would love to hear why it can't be implemented though.

Regads.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:25 PM by Jug
"internet explorer 7 & 7+ Sounded better"

The problem is just the conflict in the de facto standard of "version X+" to tell "version X or higher", which was the major problem with the former branding.

Sounds like a good decision to me!

As someone said, .NET Framework 3.0 should now just be 2.5 and I'm quite happy. The problem with "3.0" is that the actual core framework is still 2.0 without any special changes, and they bundle more API's with it. 3.0 also conflicts with the C# 3.0 that won't be included. 2.5 would tell the users that it's 2.0 "with more stuff".

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:37 PM by John A. Bilicki III
Not to ignore the hard work I'm sure you folks put in to IE7 but will users be able to actually uninstall it (in the actually definition of uninstall) should it become a huge source of problems 3-4 years in to Vista's live life-span or will it simply be a remove shortcuts deal we have in XP?

Also will we see an update option like with Firefox to streamline patches? For example browsers really need to be ready for CSS3 and I for one am tired of seeing table layouts that could be replaced by multiple background support via CSS3 on pages lacking tabular data. It's 2006 and I assume Vista will come out mid-2007 and CSS3 before, we die if we're lucky. I would also assume this might be an IE8 feature unless for some reason Windows Update could simply patch the MSHTML.DLL file unless it is not that easy?

With IE7 there are only so much left that can be complained about until the focus is lifted from you folks to the W3C. How long have they been working on CSS3? Any word on if they will ever get it finished?

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:37 PM by Tony Chor [Msft]
Dave: "Preaching to the Chor"? Really? [Groan]. Actually, I think "chor" in German means "choir", so maybe it works.

Steven: Yes, the difficulties naming stuff is exactly why we use codenames upfront. Besides, if we hadn't used "Chicago" as the codename for Windows 95, we would have been calling it "Windows 93" for a long time...

Jim: As CX pointed out correctly, the "in" vs. "for" thing is conscious. IE7 is *in* Windows Vista because it's the version of IE that ships with Vista. IE7 is *for* XP because it's available as an update to the version of IE that shipped with the OS (IE6).

Zyaq: Both versions will have the same version number. The naming for IE5/5.01 caused a lot of confusion, so we're trying to avoid that situation again.

CX: We haven't closed on our XP SP3 plans yet, but we have not historically updated the version of IE in Windows service packs.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:40 PM by Graham
Cool. Good to see progress like this.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:44 PM by Tom
I think the name should stay the same in any new windows that comes up, like when you guys get to IE8 don't change it keep it the way it is so there's not alot of confusion in future new windows.

# IE7 - Windows Vista に含まれる IE7 の名前の変更

Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:57 PM by ウィンドウズ開発統括部
IE7 - Windows Vista に含まれる IE7 の名前の変更

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:34 PM by Omry Yadan
What about Windows 2000?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 2:10 PM by codemastr
Really glad you guys listened to the criticism. But a minor comment/question. What's the point of "for Windows XP" and "in Windows Vista"? It might just be semantics, but it seems weird to me to not use the same phrases for both.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:19 PM by Kevin Burton
Its AWESOME

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:20 PM by Kevin Burton
Its awesome that you guys are opening up this process... prevents you from ending up with a stupid name like "MacBook Pro" :-)

(sorry about the previous post... hit submit by mistake)

# Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista at Windows X&#8217;s Shrine

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:23 PM by Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista at Windows X’s Shrine
PingBack from http://www.windowsxlive.net/?p=55

# Links du Jour 08-05-06

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:24 PM by Strategic Name Development Product Naming Blog
Starwood Previews New Hotel Brand in Second Life - I have blogged before about Starwood’s well-named new offering Aloft and now Micropersuasion gives us a heads up on the new brand strategy for the same product name: they are going to preview the hotels

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:28 PM by Keith Cash
IE 7 works well Good product.
Any difference between the XP and Vista IE7?

# Links du Jour 08-05-06

Saturday, August 05, 2006 5:38 PM by Strategic Name Development Product Naming Blog
Revised IE7 Naming - Microsoft has decided to drop the &quot;Internet Explorer 7+&quot; name it was going to use for the version of its browser that would run on the upcoming Vista operating system. Users had complained that it left too much room for

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:09 PM by Ellis
This IE7 sound good I guess it is time for me to down load it.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:17 PM by Hector B
This looks good. Keep the names to go with the operating system.
Cuts down on confusion

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:18 PM by Andy C
A wise decision I think. Good to see you guys listening to the feedback you get again.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 6:27 PM by Gary Turner
John A. Bilicki III said "With IE7 there are only so much left that can be complained about until the focus is lifted from you folks to the W3C. How long have they been working on CSS3? Any word on if they will ever get it finished?"

How is CSS3 an issue when IE7 will still have only a bare modicum of support for CSS2, and no support for xhtml?  Moz/Gecko, Opera and Safari all have high degrees of CSS2 support and are testing CSS3 properties that have reached Release Candidate status.  IE has zip.  The issue is not W3C, it is IE that is holding the technology back.  We can't use what we have because a majority browser doesn't support it.  We have some wonderful thoroughbreds in Firefox, Safari and Opera, but we must move at the pace of a broken down nag pulling the ice wagon.  That nag isn't slow because the track isn't good enough.  It's slow because it's old and it's broken, and a few bug fixes and cosmetic changes won't help that.

cheers,

gary

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:07 PM by Xepol
Thank you.  This provides greater clarity for those of us who have to support the masses.

Now they can say they are running IE7 and specify the OS, instead of hunting for obscure, meaningless suffixes.

After all, it's hard enough just to get them to know they are using IE or firefox most of the time, let alone the version.  Obscure sub version settings are right out the question.

Again, thank you for making our lives a little easier.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:41 PM by Sequoia030
Youhou, great idea. Happy to hear that you are at least reading our reviews!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:05 PM by Jon
Jug said:
>>The problem is just the conflict in the de facto standard of "version X+" to tell "version X or higher", which was the major problem with the former branding.<<

Thanks, Jug. Your post was the only one in the hundreds here that explained just what the problem with "7+" was. I couldn't understand the big deal of the new name until your post. Now, it makes perfect sense.

Tony said:
>>CX: We haven't closed on our XP SP3 plans yet, but we have not historically updated the version of IE in Windows service packs.<<

What about XP SP2? Didn't that come with the new build of IE6 that included pop-blocking support? I think that that was the precendent that people are going off of when thinking that future IE releases will be included in service packs.

Personally, I think that IE7 is such a major improvement that it *should* be included in SP3. There will still be millions of XP installations even years after Vista. Giving IE7 to users who don't know enough to get it, themselves, would be doing them a favor, in my opinion.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:47 PM by Jacob
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! !

Best Post on this Blog so far!

MS admits they made a mistake, and fixes it before the final release!

Welcome to the "listening to your customers era"!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:55 PM by Steve
You can say "in" or "for" all you want.

As far as your use base is concerned, it will always be:

Internet Explorer 7, or IE7... they will not care which OS it is _FOR_.

Using "in" sounds very, very much like a... "hmmm, what would sound the best in future DOJ cases?"... "in" sounds like it is "part" of the OS, so lets go there...

By the simple fact, that IE7 is downloadable, indicates it is not a required component of the OS.  and when IE8 comes out, and users can download it for Vista, it too, will not be "in" Vista.

That said, cudos on correcting the name to remove the plus... now, lets get back to fixing all those bugs, so that IE7 can catch up to all the other browsers!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:33 PM by Dirk Karl Maßat
great site with very good look and perfect information...i like it

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:57 PM by Reg
There's only one problem with the new name.

Most casual users don't understand the difference between "windows explorer" versus "internet explorer".  Calling it "windows internet explorer ... " will put the final nail in the coffin.  These people don't have a chance on learning the correct program names if you start combining the confusing terminology.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:58 PM by reg
There's only one problem with the new name.

Most casual users don't understand the difference between "windows explorer" versus "internet explorer".  Calling it "windows internet explorer ... " will put the final nail in the coffin.  These people don't have a chance on learning the correct program names if you start combining the confusing terminology.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:18 AM by amrta
For Sale...待售,我的IE7:http://www.myie7.com/

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:26 AM by amrta
For Sale...My IE7:http://www.myie7.com/

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:37 AM by John
Just call it IE7 XP or IE7 Vista, now move on to fixing the Favicons for God sake !

# Internet Explorer 7+ for Windows Vista : Now Without the Plus

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:44 AM by Internet Explorer 7+ for Windows Vista : Now Without the Plus
PingBack from http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archives/2006/08/internet-explorer-7-for-windows-vista-now-without-the-plus/

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:36 AM by Bruno
We need tabs =)

# Sigh

Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:00 AM by Gg
You know that "Microsoft designs the iPod packaging" parody video?  Where they just cram countless amounts of crap onto the box?  You're doing that again with your product names.

Why is it *Windows* Internet Explorer?  I can understand some VP liking it because it ties them together and reinforces the brand and blah blah blah, but it's terrible.  It's terrible just like "Microsoft Office Outlook 2003".  Apple doesn't do "Apple Mac OS X iLife 2006."  Stop cramming product names together.  Instead of synergizing the brands or whatever you're trying to do, you dilute the product name into an unintelligible mess and neither have an impact.

I'm in IT, and this bugs me so much that when I make images I actually go and rename the icons to "Microsoft Word" and "Microsoft Outlook" before completing it.  I shouldn't have to clean up your usability mess.

# Hot &amp; steamy Sunday linkfest

Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:25 AM by TechBlog
You know you're in Houston when the forecast calls for a high of 89 and you're grateful that the temps will at least be under 90. Yes, it's true. Eighty-nine degrees in early August is actually kinda remarkable around here....

# Niente Explorer 7 su Windows Vista Vista Windows un Blog su Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:27 AM by Niente Explorer 7 su Windows Vista Vista Windows un Blog su Windows Vista
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:56 AM by CX
Tony said:
>>CX: We haven't closed on our XP SP3 plans yet, but we have not historically updated the version of IE in Windows service packs.<<

Thanks Jon, while I didn't expect IE7 to be in SP3, I did write that last part of my post knowing that SP2's changes to IE6 did open the door at least slightly for Microsoft to choose to go that way if they decided  to.

I agree that I would prefer a current, patched IE7 to be part of SP3, instead of IE6, for all the clean XP installs IT pros will still be doing in 2007, especially before Vista's first service pack comes out.

Which leads to another question, how long will IE6 be updated for security flaws, after IE7 and Vista ship?

If IE6 security is going to get pushed into background, early on, then it really does make sense to include IE7 in XP's SP3. Of course, this really only matters to IT pros and so I really doubt saving us time is of any concern.

Also, I keep reading there are no "finalized plans" for SP3, so maybe they are just going to do a "rollup" like they did for 2000 (instead of SP5)?

# Internet Explorer 7 will be called ... Internet Explorer 7.

Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:10 AM by Tales from the Crypto
Thank goodness Microsoft saw sense.
I can't imagine how many people would have asked me &quot;where do I...

# Vijay shankar ganesh K &raquo; Blog Archives &raquo; Internet Explorer 7 not to have different name in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:30 PM by Vijay shankar ganesh K » Blog Archives » Internet Explorer 7 not to have different name in Windows Vista
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:44 PM by John
FAVICONS !  FAVICONS !  FAVICONS !  FAVICONS !
Please Fix Them Microsoft

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista - Suggestion

Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:15 PM by Abhijit Akhawe
Hi,
I have been using IE7 since quite long and would like one feature to be implemented that would help many people a lot.

What I have in mind is better access to the history through the address bar by supporting wild cards. Thus if I type *.msdn - the drop down should show all the urls browsed by me like blogs.msdn.com/.. OR developer.msdn.com etc..

Thanks,
Abhijit.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:37 PM by dgarbis
As`regards comment (Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 AM by daza) "...is it possible to have tabs close on a double-click? Even if it's not a default option, but someting you can change in advanced settings? It makes life so much easier, would love to hear why it can't be implemented though." What's so difficult about closing tab by clicking "x" on RH of tab? Why complicate things with redundant commands?


# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:51 PM by Mrs Miss
Why not just call it "Internet Explorer 7"?  It's a stand-alone-and-not-tied-to-the-OS browser now, isn't it?

Also, I get the idea that the difference is made to allow for different web applications for different OSes, for example Windows Update.  But this is a mistake, Windows Update should be a separate application, and the browser should be left to browsing.

For any web application that requires you to be using a certain OS with a certain browser, you should simply just create a client for that specific function instead.  Having it all run from a browser just complicates the browser more, and it certainly won't help in preventing security issues.

If using Internet Explorer for a client-side application makes sense, it might be because of the reduction in coding overhead because the browser can be used to render the interface, etc.  The trade-off just isn't worth it with security issues;  Instead a "rich client application" framework should be provided to help developers create their client while minimizing security issues.

Just please keep the browser separate from other applications!

If, on the other hand, the OS version needs to be identified in order to render the web page properly, then you should just consider the page broken in the first place.  Nobody should code a web page for a specific browser in a specific OS.  Any properly written web site can be rendered in any recent web browser version and still be as flashy as you want, and degrade nicely for simpler browsers (sans javascript, flash, etc).

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:03 PM by h
you know we're all just going to call it IE7/XP and IE7/Vista and IE7/2k...no wait... ;P

at least someone at microsoft is willing to go against the flow of "moronic naming decisions". well done, people! :)

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 PM by Tony Luke
Great idea, it wont confuse people this way! - we hope

http://www.arcon5.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=403

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:04 PM by Fiery Kitsune
Did IE7 ever have a codename? Or was IE7 just the next logical name in the IE evolution.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:13 AM by PatriotB
"Personally, I think that IE7 is such a major improvement that it *should* be included in SP3."

From some perspectives it should be (e.g., WMP9 was included in XPSP2), but from others it shouldn't.  Service packs are meant to be a rollup of fixes that have minimal impact on your computers (remember, XPSP2 was the exception to the service pack rule).  Including IE7 in XPSP3 would be a huge hindrance to corporate adoption of SP3.  And for those organizations that have standardized on IE6, they simply will not apply XPSP3 at all.  Which is not a good thing.

"Giving IE7 to users who don't know enough to get it, themselves, would be doing them a favor, in my opinion."

That's why IE7 will be offered as a high-priority update on Windows Update.


"Which leads to another question, how long will IE6 be updated for security flaws, after IE7 and Vista ship?"

From what I understand, Windows XP will be in mainstream support for two additional years once Vista ships, and then five years of extended support after that.  So, if Vista ships on January 1, 2007, that puts XP's end of support at January 1, 2014.  And from what I understand, Microsoft will support IE6 on XP for that entire duration, since IE6 was the version that shipped with XP (the same reason that they still support IE 5.01 on Windows 2000).


"Why not just call it "Internet Explorer 7"?  It's a stand-alone-and-not-tied-to-the-OS browser now, isn't it?"

It's not tied to the Windows Explorer shell anymore--that's all.  It's still a part of the OS.  Personally I'm kind of neutral about the naming--it brings it in line with programs like Windows Media Player.  But on the other hand, where do you draw the line?  Windows Paint?  Windows Character Map?  Plus the issue that was brought up about the name being confused with Windows Explorer.


Lastly -- thanks, IE team, for listening to us regarding the plus!

# Microsoft aendert erneut Namensgebung fuer den Internet Explorer 7

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:22 AM by Blog von Kay Giza

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:45 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@daza: Middle-click works to close tabs.

@Zyaq: Both versions will have the same version number, but you can sniff the OS platform from the tokens.  See http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/aboutuseragent.asp

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 4:41 AM by graham
Should have called it Internet Exterminator

Will MS finally make IE stop crashing when you have 5 windows open, all of them important?

and get rid of that annoying send/don't send option. if it didn't crash we wouldn't need it

# Vista:: Internet Explorer 7 final name?

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:19 AM by [MSFT-BE] Arlindo's Blog - IT Pro Evangelist
&amp;nbsp; That's it the Internet Explorer team listened to the feedback they got from you. They changed...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:38 AM by Gareth
How about Microsoft Firefox Emulator?

# Winfoblog /// &raquo; Archivio &raquo; Microsoft desiste do nome IE7+ no Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 7:01 AM by Winfoblog /// » Archivio » Microsoft desiste do nome IE7+ no Vista
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 7:01 AM by Lordmike
I want Internet Explorer 7 to be released when it actually works, no known bugs, tested more then ever before so that IT professionals actually wish to install it on company computers without risk of loosing thousand of work hours etc etc.
Same with Vista. Release it when it works, not sooner (I know that's not your table on the IE team about Vista, but still).

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 7:07 AM by John
Fix the FAVICONS !!!!!!!!

# Internet Explorer 7: Neuer Name f?r Vista-Version - WinBoard - Die Windows Community

Monday, August 07, 2006 8:36 AM by Internet Explorer 7: Neuer Name f?r Vista-Version - WinBoard - Die Windows Community
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 8:40 AM by Sergey
What a great news! Who cares about naming if it works slow or have bugs? Focus on quality, solve naming problems later.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 9:11 AM by Fred Smith
Who cares what it's called?  It'll still be the usual POS that we've come to know and love.  Oh wait... I just completed the Windows Eradication Project... my entire network is now Linux, thank you, including desktops

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 10:20 AM by Brad!
WHen I first saw the 'for' versus 'in', my thoughts were that it was created -for- XP, but it was stuck -in' Vista (Not really for vista, but in Vista....)

hmmmm.....

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 11:34 AM by Matthew Ratzloff
Good news.  The for/in thing is weird, and the multiple "Windows" are repetitive, but as long as it doesn't confuse people about what "7+" is you can call it whatever you like.  Personally, I would have gone with:

Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP
Internet Explorer 7 for Windows Vista

Clear, concise, no explanation needed.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 12:05 PM by PatriotB
@Lordmike -- If any software product waits to release until there are "no known bugs", then it will never be released.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 1:01 PM by MSFT
How about:

Microsoft Windows Firefox Emulator 7 in Microsoft Windows Vista for Microsoft Windows Vista?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 1:02 PM by Some Random Tester
Hooray!

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 1:20 PM by AC
Seriously, what is with the in/for confusion with people on here?
It was already explained early on, and yet still the comments.
You won't see:
"Internet Explorer 6 for/in Vista" as nothing less than IE7 will be available.

You will see:
"Internet Explorer 7 for XP", just as you had seen "Internet Explorer 6 in XP" or "Internet Explorer 6 for Windows 2000".

Is this really that troublesome to people?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 1:38 PM by Fiery Kitsune
Why don't you guys just call both versions IE7 Rincon?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:29 PM by Brian Sexton
"We’re glad we checked with you all before we shipped so we didn’t go out with an unpopular name."

Then now that you have updated everyone, you might want to keep your eyes and ears open for more feedback and keep your mind open to revise the name again because mentioning Windows twice in the same name seems like a bafflingly silly decision, even by Internet Explorer standards.  Then again, shipping with a silly name just might distract people from Internet Explorer's still-poor CSS support (as of the beta/preview releases I have tried under both Windows XP and Windows Vista).

# Ehnui &raquo; Internet Explorer 7, nome revisado

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:31 PM by Ehnui » Internet Explorer 7, nome revisado
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 2:37 PM by Fireballs
Great so now we can get confused about which verson you are talking about.

# BlueSparc design, technology news &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

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# COMPLAINT: Loading speed

Monday, August 07, 2006 3:29 PM by DR-Drew
I don't know if it's just me, but my biggest complaint about IE7 is that when I double click in on my desktop or try to open it, it takes a very long time to load and open my homepage (yahoo.com).

Really, that's about it. But I would like a quicker initial response and be able to use the browser as fast as I can use IE6 or firefox.

# Internet Explorer Drops Plus from Vista Branding

Monday, August 07, 2006 3:49 PM by Josh's Windows Weblog
Over on the&amp;nbsp;Internet Explorer blog Tony Chor informs the community that Internet Explorer for Windows...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 4:03 PM by Volatire
Will IE7 save us all? Hope springs eternal but alas I fret. In fact, I pine for the days of Active Desktop when everything was to be a web page.

Is there any way, $MSFT can revive this?

# I&#8217;m an Evil Genius &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; IE7 on Vista: No more plus

Monday, August 07, 2006 4:50 PM by I’m an Evil Genius » Blog Archive » IE7 on Vista: No more plus
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:50 PM by David Wrixon
Yes, never mind the semantics and never mind all the publicity that Bill likes to get being a friend of the Third World. It is high time that he got and delivered, what due to his virtual monopoly of the OS and Browser markets, he is uniquely in a position to deliver and has persistently refused to deliver over the last five years or so. That is multilingual support to enable the non-English speaking world to have fair access to the intent. Come on, cut the crap and give us an IDN enabled browser ASAP. Only when he has done a home run on this moral obligation will I ever begin to take the rest of it seriously.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Monday, August 07, 2006 9:18 PM by Al
maybe 7# or 7.Net would have sold better


# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:29 AM by Kranthi kumar
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:59 AM by Lordmike
@PatriotB
If they know about a bug which can compromise the system, they should be blamed for all data loss. The company which released the product should pay a fee if they knew about the bug and didn't do anything about it. Some bugs are apparent when a program is released and yet it hasn't been fixed. This is what I don't like at all.
Or am I wrong to want a bug free product (unknown bugs are impossible to remove because they are unknown)?
In nuclear power plants like the ones the company I work for own, the system isn't even allowed to have unknown bugs and yet they manage.. wow. Must be good programmers, because it's failsafe in 99.9% of the time.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:43 AM by Mike
@LordMike: If your nuke reactor is only 99.9% safe, then you should be shutdown immediately, since it would fail every few days.

Any engineer who knows anything about defects knows that "Bugfree" software isn't practical, or even desirable.  No one could afford it.

@David: They've been blogging about IDN support in IE for months.  Lose the conspiracy theories and read up on it.

@John: FavIcons seem to work for everyone else.  Rather than posting worthless rants, why not describe the bug you see?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:41 AM by David Wrixon
@ Mike

It is not conspiracy theory. Microsoft's failure to timely deliver an IDN enabled browser has almost certainly done more damage to Third World economies than any of Bill's Philanthropy will ever be able to put right.
Because of it near monopoly in the Developing World Browser market, Microsoft has borne moral responsibilities that it has wantonly neglected. Everyday, it it costing those countries Millions, if not Billions of dollars. That lost development is also costing lives. Microsoft have a responsiblity to get this thing out there as soon as possible. Stopping fannying around. Get this thing sorted and get on with distributing it.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:57 AM by Lordmike
@Mike
What I want is not a bug free system, as that is impossible to achieve. But a system with no known bugs, that is possible because the engineers here at work manage it on nuclear reactor systems.
It's all about testing, testing and some more testing. If the bug is known, remove it. If another bugg is found, remove it etc.
Lets say Microsoft release Windows Vista with a known bug which they can remove, but wont because this will delay Vista 7 months... They will release it and work on fixing it. What I want is the release to be after those 7 months. Am I more clear now or shall I continue?

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:05 AM by moimoi
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:05 AM by moimoi
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# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:55 AM by Fini Alring
but but but... IE7+ sounds so cool!! I don't believe how you could ever question this name!! It's like IE7 only better!

# Esque&amp;#231;am o IE 7+

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:12 AM by Oneda
H&#225; algum tempo atr&#225;s, comentei sobre o IE 7+, que seria a vers&#227;o do Internet Explorer para o Windows...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:26 AM by Nikita
Gabriel Lozano-Morán : "Great! Now we only need to convince the .NET team to rebrand .NET Framework 3.0 to .NET Framework 2.5 "

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM by tyrc
It doesnt matter what you call it, its still a carbon copy, rebadged version of Mozilla Firefox. Its pointless having 2 'mozillas' so I am sticking with the original and best.

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:43 AM by Aedrin
"It doesnt matter what you call it, its still a carbon copy, rebadged version of Mozilla Firefox. Its pointless having 2 'mozillas' so I am sticking with the original and best."

So which are you sticking with? Internet Explorer has features that Firefox has, okay. But Firefox has features that Internet Explorer has had way before. And imagine this, Firefox and Internet Explorer also have features that other browsers might've had.

Welcome to the world of technology where features are added because they work good, not because someone else hasn't had it.

I fail to see how Mozilla Firefox is "the original". Being based on an existing browser, introducing features several years old as though they are new...

# re: Revised IE7 Naming in Windows Vista

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:40 PM by cj
i'll agree with several other people here and say that your naming convention is horrible.  who in their right might is going to spit all that out every time they need to say that IE is broken again, or that another bug has been found, or that the standards aren't supported for such-and-such feature?

i applaud taking out the "+", but if instead we have to put up with humongous and repeating word names, i don't know that we've gained anything.

Internet Explorer 7 for XP
Internet Explorer 7 for Vista

KISS - Keep it simple, stupid.

# OT: why not conditional CSS comments

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