Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

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Germany Votes Yes With Comments

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Germany Votes Yes With Comments

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We should have kids follow the Open XML votes as it would do more for their understanding of geography

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

jasonmatusow — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:58:12 GMT

ctrambler -

Any chance of getting your first name? I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of your comments, but want to be respectful in commenting back. If you would prefer - I will use ctrambler of course.

thx -

Jason

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

Simon Phipps — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:30:27 GMT

The worry here Jason is that we all saw how TC-45 considered comments in the ECMA ratification process. The process appeared to be satisifed by a set of dismissive remarks along the lines of "you just don't understand, little one" without true resolution of the issues raised, presumably because of the breakneck schedule you were imposing.

Personally I fear that leaving resolution of all the issues raised for ISO consideration by NBs to the same process will result in them being dismissed the same way. I would prefer to see a process that ensures that can't happen. So your use of terms like "considered" and "review", which imply a discretionary process, don't comfort me much.

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

jasonmatusow — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:21:57 GMT

Hi Simon -

Clearly I can't (and don't) speak for TC-45. That TC is made up of more than 20 different organizations. The people I know who are close to that process are committed to doing some heavy lifting given the breadth and range of comments. As we move through late fall and early winter it will become clear as to how that process is going leading into the BRM. I think everyone involved is appreciative of the attention being paid the spec as it demonstrates the importance of that spec to the industry as a whole.

Just curious (as I don' t know the answer to this), how were comments handled from the JTC-1 ratification of ODF as it has moved on in OASIS? When will the updated version be sent to ISO/IEC?

thx -

Jason

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

Simon Phipps — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:49:35 GMT

Well, the vote for ODF was "Approve" so there was no ballot resolution, but I believe all the comments were handled by the TC. I'll investigate.

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

Gerd — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:38:50 GMT

The purpose of ECMA was to stamp a 100% Microsoft format without any improvements as an ECMA standard. A true farce. And they messed it up.

Who will trust ECMA anymore? the issue at hand now is how to invoke a procedure to revoke the "a liasion" status of ECMA given the political damage the enterprise caused to the International Standard Organization (ISO) in Geneve.

I would strongly oppose the EC 45 (chaired by Microsoft) to improve the standard. The only acceptable vote is NO. We do not need or want parallel standards.

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

jasonmatusow — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:49:40 GMT

Sorry Gerd - I don't agree. More than 20 companies and public organizations were invovled with the work of TC45. There were many changes made to the spec and significant requests for greater detail and comprehensive documentation. This is a contributed spec - but so are most standards.

I respect the decision of all parties involved. I think that the list of distinguished public organizations and private companies who are voting yes would disagree with your assertion that there is only one acceptable view.

Jason

re: Ecma TC-45 Will Review ALL Comments

Santhosh — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:16:21 GMT

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Open XML Moves Towards The Ballot Resolution Meeting

Matusow's Blog — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:31:41 GMT

Earlier today, ISO put out a press release stating that Open XML did not reach the required super-majority