RANT: Run as Normal User

Published 21 June 04 11:48 AM

AKA “Run as non-admin”.  We call it “RANU” around here, or sometimes “why would you do that?”

I have a Linux background.  There it seemed obvious to run as 'jbazuzi' sometimes and 'root' other times.  But making it work in Windows is just hard.

I don't mind that I can't install most software as a normal user.  That's something we'll get to in time.  Right now I'm just annoyed that I can't run most apps without being an admin.

I used to play a lot of Everquest.  Great game, terrible devs.  They save your player-specific and character-specific data in the installation directory (%ProgramFiles%\Sony\Everquest).  In the early days it was all in custom binary files, later they moved to text files.  They've never heard of %APPDATA%, %HOME%, and the registry?  You need to have write access to the application install directory.

I'd like to tell Sony to get on the ball with EQ, and make it work for normal users.  It runs in a home environment, often without a firewall or an network guru.  It attracts non-techno-geeks so, the audience is particularly susceptible to scams & hoaxes.  (Even the scammers get scammed!)  Microsoft & Sony need to do our parts to give these users a safe, secure environment.

I bet you run as administrator.  I do it, too.  I tried hard to run as normal user, on both my development & email machines.  It was a big hassle, go figure!  Every time I ran into a problem with a tool or VS component, I'd tell the owner.  They'd look at me funny & tell me “too bad”.

You really want me to run as normal user, because that'll give you the best chance of a VS that works well as normal user. 

Your users really want you to run as normal user, for the same reason. 

OK, out of breath, time to take a break from the rant.

Comments

# Une Ternal said on June 21, 2004 2:41 PM:
Power users can also write to the Program Files directory. For that reason all domain users are power users on thier workstations in our enviroment
# jaybaz [MS] said on June 21, 2004 2:57 PM:
Power Users can easily promote themselves to Administrators. So can a trojan horse that attacks a Power User.

Either you're a User or you're an Administrator, I'm afraid.
# Adam Weigert said on June 21, 2004 4:35 PM:
I just started with a fresh install of Windows Xp. I have been wanting to make the switch for a while. I did it. I am doing it. Yes, somethings are annoying, but runas is my best friend.

The only thing I have found that doesn't work right as a user is Winamp 5.0.3. For some reason it hangs.

But I haven't had a chance to try out everything yet.

I think, if more people took the initiative to work as a normal user and create applications for normal users the world would be a happier, safer place.
# jaybaz [MS] said on June 21, 2004 4:45 PM:
Right on, Adam!
# Martin said on June 22, 2004 12:24 AM:
I'm running as normal user always and even write and debug software this way. It's possible and not too difficult. For the rare tasks which need admin rights, I've a command prompt window open all the time, started via runas /user:admin

And yes, it's really annoying that there's still a lot of new software claiming to run on Windows XP but needing admin rights to do so.
# Jan said on June 22, 2004 3:53 AM:
I'm working since April as a normal user. A nice tool is Total Commander running with admin rights.
(http://www.ghisler.com)
Or http://www.sysinternals.com/ for tcpview and procexp !
Annoying is my program for synchronizing mp3’s with my mp3-player. It seems to open all of the registry with full rights! Some guys never learn!
Sometimes it’s really hard finding out why/ where a software needs admin rights.
# Ron said on June 22, 2004 5:07 AM:
I've tried to run as a normal user at home. It's just been too much of a hassle (but then, I'm still running Win2K). When I set up my daughter's accout for the PC, I certainly set her as a normal user. Unfortunatly, the ATI driver software continues to pop up the new driver "help" file on startup. Clicking the "do not show me this again" checkbox doesn't work. So I bumped her up to a power user to get the setting to take. When I set her back to normal, the dialog pops up again. Argh!!!!
# jaybaz MS WebLog RANT Run as Normal User | work from home said on June 16, 2009 7:18 AM:

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