Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

Rolf — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:19:00 GMT

>P2P Community Drop Distribution

Why don't do both? A drop can be downloaded on MSDN and is also available as a bittorrent? This would solve the problem of telling customers they have to download third-party software (they have the choice of downloading directly from MSDN). BTW: if someone are willing to install the previews with the warnings (reformatting harddrive might be needed, etc.), why worry about any third-party software? And who on earth would start a almost 3GB download directly from IE... one hiccup and you would have to start all over again!

Or maybe only available on MSDN, but the EULA specifically allows you to share it through P2P?

There are thousands of possibilities, but I think changing the EULA for the MSDN subscribers who have downloaded the preview to be able to share it would be a start, then you can watch the p2p networks for traffic and see how things are going before publishing the downloads directly from your servers to p2p networks.

RE: I'm not gonna disclose every post

scooblog by josh ledgard — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:08:00 GMT

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

Shannon J Hager — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:36:00 GMT

You are correct, it will be shared regardless. I did not download it, of course, but the PDC Longhorn release was online the weekend before the PDC started. The pirates had to wait a few days until it was released there and the product keys made their way to the net before they could install, but by the end of the PDC, Longhorn was everywhere.

or so I heard.

I am one of those poor folks who obey the rules. That means I was a Beta tester for Yukon Beta 1 but didn't have access to Whidbey (think about that for a second).

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

jledgard — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:10:00 GMT

Rolf: I do think if we did it we would have to offer both. I'll take up the idea of allowing our beta EULAs to allow sharing.

Shannon: Do you have access to VS now? This is a problem we are working on addressing. If you still don't have VS please contact me through e-mail and I'll make sure you get the previews and alphas.

re: Blog disclaimers

Derek Curry — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:37:00 GMT

Wow, what a bunch of wankery! It seems like MS-Legal™ is practicing make-work to justify their jobs.

PS: You need a "Preview" button next to the "Submit" button.

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

Brian Schkerke — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:19:00 GMT

Preview button is a .Text feature and I believe Scott has it on his list of things to do. Of course he's also asking for other developers to help him out a bit, for which I can't blame him. (Now to just get free time.)

Distribution of the materials to 3rd parties via BitTorrent is an excellent idea. I regularly seed/share Torrents off my host for smaller companies or mod teams. There'd be no reason to not do it for Microsoft as well. The only caveat I've found is that a host can be overwhelmed by scrape requests if the bandwidth isn't sufficient once you get up around 400 or 500 peers.

Obeying the rules stinks. I've got a PASS (November 2003) Preview copy of Whidbey and Longhorn, but I'd like to get the latest. Unfortunately my MSDN Universal ran out so I no longer have access so I have to sit and drool while reading articles in MSDN Magazine. :\ I refuse to be a hypocrite and steal from my own kind though, no matter the curiousity level. If you pirate a programming environment -- what the heck?!

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

jledgard — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:51:00 GMT

Derek: I don't want to cast them in a bad light. There are some legitamate concerns to be had.

Brian: Thanks for the additional feedback about the Torrents.

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

elliotv — Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:17:00 GMT

i believe the bittorrent idea would likely be killed off by some division of M$ since BT is an open source protocol/solution, and would hurt M$ argument to clients that open source solutions have a higher TCO than purchasing solutions developed inhouse. Unless M$ writes its own P2P client (which could be used for piracy, so that's never going to happen), bittorrent cannot be used.

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scooblog by josh ledgard — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:40:00 GMT

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

jledgard — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:46:00 GMT

Elliot: Don't count us out just yet. I'd put money on us figuring something out.

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scooblog by josh ledgard — Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:10:00 GMT

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

Shannon J Hager — Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:14:00 GMT

Josh, I do have Whidbey now, via DevDays. Thank you, though.

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

jledgard — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:40:00 GMT

Good to know. Thanks for the update!

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

David Cumps — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:44:00 GMT

A possibible idea for the disclaimer issue:
Have a 'Disclaimer' area in .TEXT to put one in (which will be displayed on the side), so your site visitors can read it...

AND
Don't include a disclaimer line on your site, but have an option in the admin section for a disclaimer line that would be added to each post, but only in the RSS feed (and add it nicely, like the footers of Hotmail email etc).

That way, your blog doesn't look ugly with all the disclaimers (and your visitors can see the side disclaimer), and the rss readers have the included disclaimer line in the rss feed

Lawyers blog too... And they read my blog...

scooblog by josh ledgard — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:53:00 GMT

re: Blogs, Alpha Builds, Customer Community, and Legal Issues

Josh Ledgard — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:00:00 GMT

Good ideas. I'll pass them along.
josh

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