When Penguins Attack!!!

RE: When Penguins Attack!!!

Simon Phipps — Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:32:00 GMT

Good report, Josh. One small note: I wasn't actually a Microsoft employee when I participated in the Word beta program, I was just a developer (this was all in pre-MSDN days - I actually interviewed for helping found MSDN but decided not to move my family to Seattle!). And I wasn't intending to either criticise Microsoft directly with my comment nor to claim that the open approach gets bugs fixed faster. I think you got my main point though - that an open approach can lead to a better experience for the customer - if I'm smart enough to find the bug reporting tool I ought to be included in the bug fixing cycle. I'd also point to Sun's equivalent of SourceForge - http://java.net/ - as well as the SunSource site. Glad you liked Looking Glass :-) Regards Simon

RE: When Penguins Attack!!!

Josh Ledgard — Mon, 01 Sep 2003 05:30:00 GMT

Ah, thanks for the correction. I think it’s actually worse that we never responded to a beta customer who reported a bug. Interestingly enough the point was rather timely since we had just started engaging alpha customers trying out the latest VS bits. Thankfully, this time around one of our goals has been to respond to every piece of customer feedback we get. It’s been somewhat of a culture shift taking place at Microsoft, but good because it’s forcing us to be more accountable to our customers. Where did you find out about my blog from? josh

RE: When Penguins Attack!!!

Simon Phipps — Mon, 01 Sep 2003 10:28:00 GMT

You showed up on my regular Feedster scan, along with the pointer on ISerializable - I keep an eye on who's linking & referring ;-) Really, the approach all those years ago was neither surprising nor bad. My point though is that we're now in a massively-connected era (my blog says more) and the rules are changing about what is appropriate - Cluetrain++ so to speak. My real observation is that I think, as you point out, MSFT is seeing past the Linux to the trend and embracing it (albeit maybe in an 'embrace and extend' sort of way). Regards Simon

RE: When Penguins Attack!!!

Ajay [MVP .NET] — Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:26:00 GMT

Boy!! Betcha, noone can come anywhere near to Microsoft on creating IDE's . The one thing which made me happy is not you were there in Linux world, but you being in Linuxworld when the staroffice crashed. I have used staroffice and it is no where nearer to MS Office (lets patent office :). Jokes apart, Lets challenge the guys there on Productivity and usability. Lets forget everything else, why build some app when you know it is not usable. When are they going to come up in life. I now know why someone said Penguins never mature ;). Ajay

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xml training — Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:20:00 GMT

Greay read! It is wierd how Linux and the OS movement can't contend with MS in the IDE arena. Even open source IDE's like netbeans java IDE seem better when running under Windows.

re: When Penguins Attack!!!

job search — Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:35:34 GMT

Good report, Josh.

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redsolo — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:43:30 GMT

C'mon, havent you guys looked at Eclipse at all? I have just started using VS2005, and I cant say that Im impressed.
* Many refactoring actions are missing.
* File compare (with local history) is missing. A class view window that is showing the same class that is opened in the editor.
* An ability to clear all errors, if you work with more than one project and some of the unrelated projects wont compile, then I want to be able to clear the Error view to only show the current project errors.
* Better integration to clear case and other CM systems
* Help to override certain methods in base classes

This is only what I can remember now, as it was 1-2 years ago I worked with a Java project, but of course VS2005 (8 ?) is way better than Visual Embedded C++ 3 that I used for my previous job.

But the prime jewel is the Tools->Options->Keyboard dialog. The List view containing commands is full and it is hard to find a certain command in it, which is not suprisingly. But what is surprisingly is that the dialog CAN NOT be resized. Why cant I resize it? What arent I allowed to make my own decisions about sizes of a dialog, I promise that Im old enough.

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