What? They cut WinFS??

Longhorn scoping

Dan Crevier's Blog — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:16:00 GMT

Clarification on dropped WinFS

Jeff Key — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:25:00 GMT

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Richard Tallent — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:17:00 GMT

Thanks for helping to clear the confusion! Your hypothesis on the "no networked WinFS" certainly seems plausible.

I do hope that you guys figure out a decent way to persist non-native WinFS metadata (the kind that isn't just indexed from the original files) to non-NTFS file systems, be it via DESCRIPT.ION-style, per-folder exports or whatever, otherwise backup to standard CD/DVD media will be difficult.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Robert W. McLaws — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:39:00 GMT

Thank you for a clear explanation of what happened. Great job utilizing blogs for exactly their purpose: to use human voices to cut through the BS in today's media and PR.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

milbertus — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:37:00 GMT

Thank you so much for posting this. I have Feedster feeds set up for both "Longhorn" and "WinFS", and you wouldn't believe how many items have come down which say (to paraphrase), "WinFS has been cut from Longhorn". Just reading the original article carefully will show that isn't the case, but it's even better that someone at MS can publicly say that WinFS is still in Longhorn.

Setting the Record Straight on WinFS in Longhorn

Open-node.net — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:21:00 GMT

Open-Node

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re: What? They cut WinFS??

Ray Schraff — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:00:00 GMT

THANKS for responding so quickly.
I concur with Robert McLaws...a great example of why blogs are critical communication channels for corporations.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Dylan Greene — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:03:00 GMT

Has anybody written letters to BusinessWeek asking them to print a correction? The article on the web surely could be changed.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Mike Ricciuti — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:11:00 GMT

For the record: You might have missed this story (http://news.com.com/2100-1008-5183385.html): we spoke to Jim Allchin a few weeks ago (before the BusinessWeek story appeared), and he mentioned "minor" features being cut from Longhorn, but nothing about WinFS/network capability, etc.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Douglas Husemann — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:18:00 GMT

Jeremy,

Ok I will say I had and Idea of the Potential of the feature with the Name. Ok so now my arm hurts.

Although I could use a feature that allows for the Unit change over time in a name structure. (genealogy) not sure if it is best to tie the relationship of the structure to an event. and then have the name be tied to it.

Christianing for example would be where in some cultures that a Name is assigned. In other areas a birth event. Marriage usually causes a the womans name to change (last name for instance)

Will have to think more about it. as events can cause a name change to occur but is it a full name change or handleing instance change.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Michael — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:32:00 GMT

Question regarding "backwards compatability" and distribution of WinFS objects.

Jeremy, my question is this: Say I have a Word document that has some extended metadata, perhaps describing what Client/Project the document is related to...

...if I email this document to a colleague of mine (within the same network), do these properties persist or are they native to my instance of Longhorn?

I guessing this sort of relates the the way the WinFS would behave in a collaborative/networked environment. I can certainly see the personal benefit of being able to describe files and search for them based on such attributes - but the collaborative nature of today's computing environment should demand such persistance. What are your thoughts on this?

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MasterMaq.NET — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:35:00 GMT

Que?

What? — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:24:00 GMT

"One feature the WinFS team cut was around how granular you can make schema change units. Change units are a nice trick to avoid conflicts during item synchronization ...Nice feature – and it’s still shipping."

Was it cut or is it shipping.

re: What? They cut WinFS??

n4cer — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:08:00 GMT

"Was it cut or is it shipping."

Both.

The feature is shipping. It just won't be as granular as the initial version.

From the post:
"What’s gone is the ability to divide complex properties (aka nested collections) into their own sub-units."

re: The risk of scaling back Longhorn

Mack D. Male — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:21:00 GMT

re: Longhorn is falling apart...

The White Screen of Synchronicity — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:58:00 GMT

Get the Real Skinny on WinFS

Gary Short — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:05:00 GMT

re: What? They cut WinFS??

Didactic Grammarian — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:27:00 GMT

Last paragraph ...
There is a difference between "effect" and "affect". You EFFECTively chose poorly ;)

WinFS OK on networks?

a little ludwig goes a long way — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:06:00 GMT

What? They cut WinFS?? -- sounds like maybe WinFS hasn't been scaled back much, tho this posting is pretty vague about how it works on legacy media and networks (a reasonably hard problem). It certainly hints that WinFS will work...

re: What? They cut WinFS??

BLR — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:05:00 GMT

Douglas: the feature that's been cut is irrelevant in your example. The probability that two parts of the name will be quasi-simultaneously changed from two different places is very small. So conflict would be really exceptional.

WinFS features not being cut

Charles Young — Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:48:00 GMT

Jeremy Mazner on the WinFS

Mike Taulty's Weblog — Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:17:00 GMT

w-uh

TrackBack — Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:18:00 GMT

w-uh

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LongHorn ...

Andrei's Blog — Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:22:00 GMT

LongHorn ...

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Brad Abrams — Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:12:00 GMT

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Critical Section — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:09:00 GMT

Scoble claims Jeremy Mazner clears up the WinFS confusion. Read his post and see if you agree. I'm not confused, but I am of the opinion that WinFS has been cut back, despite both evanglists' protests to the contrary...

Evangelism and credibility

Riding Herd — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:02:00 GMT

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TrackBack — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:43:00 GMT

For an update on WinFS status, please see http://blogs.msdn.com/jmazner/archive/2004/08/29/222493.aspx

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