IEvangelist's biggest challenge

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IEvangelist's biggest challenge

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re: IEvangelist's biggest challenge

Don Demsak — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:45:41 GMT

The best person I can think of for the IEvangelist job is FoO from
http://www.forgetfoo.com/ , but I doubt MS will be able to convince him to take up the gauntlet.

.::Szőkelizer 154::.

RIO - Randektív Informatikai Oldal — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:49:18 GMT

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re: IEvangelist's biggest challenge

Jim — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:40:51 GMT

> We were pretty quiet about IE for a while. A long while. We're starting the process of making up for that long, dark teatime of the soul. The IE team is blogging.

That might mean something if we were getting substantial information from the IE blog. But the foremost issue to developers, that of W3C specification support, is met with either silence or "we know we have problems".

That's great, the *whole world* knows they have problems, but what we need to know is whether they are going to even *attempt* to make progress.

Read this entry:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/03/09/391362.aspx

Can you really tell me that developers are getting the information they need from entries like that?

Take the Acid2 challenge, for example. We've seen great progress from other browser developers, in particular, Hyatt's blogging the progress he is making fixing the KHTML bugs.

The Internet Explorer team? They haven't even mentioned it yet. It's like they are skulking at the back of the classroom because they didn't do their assignment.

> Here's what I remember as the "principle" of IE, to use David's words: Empower developers, and make it possible for devs to build great user experiences.

Things have changed. Today, Internet Explorer is the antithesis of what you remember as "the principle of Internet Explorer". Join any web development mailing list, read any web development newsgroup, you will see a great amount of complaining about Internet Explorer holding them back.

You liked it when Internet Explorer empowered developers? Well today they are *disempowered* by Internet Explorer. We've got to spend time working around bugs and lack of DOM/HTML/CSS support in Internet Explorer instead of working on features.

Why hire an IEvangelist

Riding Herd — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:27:05 GMT

More great comments are coming in about this position.

Hoovernj: Sigh... Just make a good product....

re: IEvangelist's biggest challenge

mikael bergkvist — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:00:19 GMT

Even though I think the stuff you can do with IE is cool as hell, it's always the problem of reaching people.
I always loved IE because I have a wierd love for wacky projects.

http://www.naltabyte.se/space6
(It's a 3D game, with skinned objects and all, using VML together with it's own markup language/behavior to control the interaction and motions. View source to check it out.)

http://www.naltabyte.se/miopages/sam.asp
(Granted, it runs in most browsers, but in IE it's all running smoothly, especially the two AJAX animations, and that's the difference between it being useable and not being useable, because, something working 'quirky' is really almost as bad as it not working at all, as far as the client goes.)

When you do actual apps for the web, you see that 'extreme' apps work better and smoother in IE almost every time, and therefor one tends to instruct clients to use that browser.
This is especially true for most IT-companies I worked for over the years.

This guy has done a pretty cool thing too, even though I'm not sure I get the point of it..
http://www.challenger.se