Get Mesh (and why we require UAC)

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Windows Live Mesh: Why you need UAC enabled - Within Windows — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:37:43 GMT

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Rafael Rivera Jr. — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:54:44 GMT

Do you have more information on this per-user COM functionality?

From what I understood, the entire reason to skip per-user COM configuration to reduce elevation of privilege attacks (user code running in elevated process).

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ak — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:53:12 GMT

wow, did not know that about RTM, scary, its been supported since win2k (Guess none of the devs or beta testers run without UAC)

As someone that rather unpacks a setup and edits the registry by hand instead of running an installer as admin, I can't thank you guys enough for creating something that installs as non admin (Hello Live Messenger?!?!)

Again, thank you for thinking of the non admins!

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Some One — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:55:28 GMT

I the world of .NET why are we still using old school COM objects?

How are you going to get COM objects to work on a Mac? If you can make a client on a Mac with out COM or on a Mobile Deivce then why not on Vista?

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johnmac_ms — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:59:58 GMT

More info on the COM restriction

Check out the 2006 blog post from Junfeng (also a Live Mesh team member). I believe it links out to additional details.

http://blogs.msdn.com/junfeng/archive/2006/09/05/742295.aspx

COM registration from a runtime that is supposed to run everywhere ... what gives!

Rest assured (no pun intended) that COM will not be the exclusive interface for Live Mesh. We use COM to register with the Shell. We don't expect all apps to talk to MOE through COM.

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Guest — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:59:05 GMT

i wanted to know why while the desktop clinet installs, works and performs really good, it only has one problem.

it don´t prompts you with the window to put your Live ID, i don´t know how to make it prompt me with it.. can you help me out?

re: Get Mesh (and why we require UAC)

Jordan Mills — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:31:56 GMT

Thanks for explaining the UAC bit. I was pretty dismayed about the UAC requirement, especially since the UAC is so universally hated, but the reason is pretty solid. I'm glad to see you're hard at work to remove this requirement once it's not needed for technical reasons.

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jabbera — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:53:21 GMT

Any support for Server 2008 planned? I use it as a primary dev machine and would love to sync files with it.

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Jan Thewes — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:52:40 GMT

Any chance to get this one running on a german system? I really want to test that but it just doesn' work. After tweaking the registry i was able to install the client but it always gets an error while starting Live Mesh.

You are designing WEB services and the WEB normally is INTERNATIONAL why don't you support other languages? I don't want a german interface i just want it to work!!!

Thx

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rwlyonsjr — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:33:13 GMT

I have "Live Mesh" running on my Vista computer, but the interesting thing is that the web client runs on Firefox and Not on IE. When I try to go to www.mesh.com on IE it just acts as if I have no connection to the net. Has anybody had this issue or can anyone point me in the right direction to work this out? I think it is funny that it would work in Firefox...

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jsbenjamin — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:38:49 GMT

@jabbera, Jan Thewes, & rwlyonsjr

You may wish to visit our forums:

http://forums.community.microsoft.com/en/LiveMesh/threads

We have a nice support community developing there (and there is at least one thread already about the language requirements for Live Mesh Tech Preview).

re: Get Mesh (and why we require UAC)

Pearls — Fri, 02 May 2008 08:55:39 GMT

So will the "UAC-less refresh" installer be something that will eventually made available by using the mesh.com/add device widget? If not, how will it be rolled out to beta participants like myself that choose not (read: absolutely refuse) to run under UAC's ridiculously prohibitive and utterly useless restrictions?

The only effect that I've ever seen UAC have on Vista users was to condition them to respond to its constant nagging in a Pavlovian fashion, and automatically dismiss all prompts for elevated privileges.

*ding* => elevate => do what I wanted to all along.

All it serves to do for those of us on the 20 side of the 80/20 rule is annoy us when our work gets interrupted by throwing us to the secured desktop first (and yes, we actually do occassionally wish to read/modify the registry by running regedt32 from time to time, but thanks for asking - meh).

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johnmac_MSFT — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:08:38 GMT

Thanks for all the great comments. I would like to address a couple specific questions:

International - it is absolutely important and support is on the way.

"How do I get the UAC-less update" - this will be available on the Add Device page. Actually, there will still be one LiveMesh.exe ... we will just deploy a new version that lifts the UAC requirement for SP1 systems.

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Matt — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:55:31 GMT

This is a serious FAIL from my point of view. If I have to turn UAC on then the product isn't worth having at this point.

I have now searched on the internet and found your post with information about why this is. However, I shouldn't have to do this.

re: Get Mesh (and why we require UAC)

johnmac_msft — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:55:04 GMT

When the "UAC-less" refresh is available it will roll out through the Add Device page on mesh.com. We do not plan to introduce another installler or client. We will release a refresh to the Live Mesh installer that lifts the UAC requirement for SP1 systems.

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mikeycooper — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:39:48 GMT

Sounds like there won't be an easy way to determine that the new client is there, in that case. Will there be an entry in the "All your news" tab or anything? If not, please post here when the refresh of the installer happens, so those of us who can't try out the Mesh client know when to click Add Devices again. ;)

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James — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:18:15 GMT

I'm interested too in the non-UAC version. I received an invite for the live mesh beta, but have no interest in turning UAC back on, so I will continue to use foldershare, etc in the meantime. I also use Windows Server 2008 as a development machine, and without support for that, Live Mesh isn't viable for me right now.

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Chris — Fri, 23 May 2008 22:38:25 GMT

Looking forward to not having to UAC. I was excited to get the invite for the beta and happy about this. But I wont use it unless I can not use UAC.

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Timothy — Tue, 27 May 2008 21:02:49 GMT

Just an FYI... UAC is not totally required.

1) Turn on UAC.

2) Install Mesh.

3) Set it to auto start.

4) Turn off UAC.

Even though you don't think it's on... you will still be able to "remote desktop" in... but the folder syncing doesn't work (I don't think).

Seeing through the non-English "Mesh"

Sorting it all Out — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:43:52 GMT

When I saw the name of this particular technology ( Live Mesh ), I admit that the image it inspired was

Service update: new build released (2815.17)

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