YODA the Programming Language

re: YODA the Programming Language

abhinaba — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:07 GMT

Frankly I'm lost :( are you serious or just kidding. 'cause somethings in C# 3.0 have got me scared and I can't bear more :)

We do have some Yoda fans here in MS India and they'd be delighted

re: YODA the Programming Language

Frank Pistorius — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:14:30 GMT

Hmmm, this sounds like an excellent one for your next hols-project. I am sure there are lots of Yoda fans willing to add to the grammar...

Many are they, written it is, excellent!

re: YODA the Programming Language

jonaxse — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:07:30 GMT

I'm getting tired of this.

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Anon — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:24:58 GMT

FUD alert... :)

re: YODA the Programming Language

kfarmer — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:34:17 GMT

Surely you mean:

"Main Line" to the Console is written. Hmm?
Rest. Yes, rest this program must. And soon, forever sleep.

replace, it does:

Console.WriteLine("Main Line");
return;

re: YODA the Programming Language

David Brabant — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:48:24 GMT

: YODA ( -- ) S" is a FORTH programmer!" TYPE CR ;

When fooling around he is, Postscript he uses. Mmmhh ?

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:12:10 GMT

We've been spending a lot of time in the language design meetings trying to flesh out the rest of the details. We've spent the last six months debating which name to use: YODA or YPL, or YTPL.

re: YODA the Programming Language

Sean Chase — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:39:23 GMT

Sucks this does. Even more verbose than VB it is. :-)

re: YODA the Programming Language

kfarmer — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:08:41 GMT

Yaddle, perhaps?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yaddle/index.html

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:17:37 GMT

I suspect that YADDLE will become the open source YODA, equally powerful but not as well known.

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Dave — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:06:36 GMT

That was hilarious! And to think people were upset over "From" :-P

So that means, there's no exception handling...

dhchait — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:46:06 GMT

It's true, from Yoda himself: "There is no try."

*groan*

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:49:31 GMT

You can also see signs of the YODA language in the type inference feature.

var var = binks;

re: YODA the Programming Language

Vincent — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:00:16 GMT

Quite cool it is.

It evades me, the reason.

Extremely lengthy it is.

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Francois Vanderseypen — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:40:02 GMT

Wouldn't be easier to simply write a love letter (a letter of intentions) to the compiler which then would analyze it and try to understand what you're up to? A bit like an intelligent functional analysis.
Well, I mean it seriously. I think very little AI is used these days. Why wouldn't Visual Studio look behind your typing some resources (webservices) up and suggest possible algorithms or real-time FxCop analysis?
Adaptive behavior in function of the coder, self-modifying code.
Ah well, let me dream on ;-) Loved this blog in any case.

re: YODA the Programming Language

Jemm — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:46:05 GMT

There is no try. Catch exceptions you should.

Seriously, I'm interested in what's coming :)

re: YODA the Programming Language

foris zoltan — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:11:22 GMT

this is not the future... this will be the past...
how a class will look like?
or no oop in the future at MS ?

re: YODA the Programming Language

Jan Bannister — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:26:12 GMT

Hey Matt,

Very neat examples by inference. If for example you were to extend the concept of the SQLServer CLR implementation and you were, for example, to introduce create and delete keywords. You could, possible, create a very powerful meta-programming model with, for example, a unified approach to data (temporary, distributed and persistent) and control logic (compiled, infered and enforced).

Mmmmm, yes, really quite neat.
Jan

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Udo Güngerich — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:19:04 GMT

YADDLE <-> YODA

Open source YODA? Equally powerful, but less known?

Whenever "the" open source community thought it worth to reconstruct something from MS - as it did not happen very often, because most of the time much better concepts were already born long before - it outperformed the commercial solution by miles. Having said this, I have to point out that this also happened to other companies: Although I doubt that Postgres is reconstructed from oracle, it outperforms it by far, and yes, it IS LESS KNOWN but not EQUALLY POWERFUL, it's even more sophisticated. This is no flame war, but it had to be said.

By the way, Perl already is able to speak a latin syntax and many more dialects. I wouldn't wonder if there's a Lingua::YODA out there soon as there is an Acme::Yoda-module available on CPAN already ;)

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:46:55 GMT

Maybe the open source YODA is not YADDLE after all, maybe its YADDLE's kid sister, YADA YADA YADA.

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kfarmer — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:26:34 GMT

Yada Yada Yada?

Any relation to Rosanne Rosannadanna?

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Big Ray — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:21:37 GMT

Kind of reminds me of effed up AppleScript.

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carloszanini — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:56:44 GMT

Ojala desaparezcas de la faz de la tierra vos y tu idea ridicula.

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Dark Side — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:57:31 GMT

In YODA there is no try()

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daniel — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:48:49 GMT

stupid proposition, typical of microsoft, instead creating new languages, they should fix the thousands of bugs vs2005,2003 have, or maybe search for real beta testers

re: YODA the Programming Language

Steve Hiner — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:44:24 GMT

Matt,

This is a long way off topic... It'll only make sense if the answer is yes.

Do you use MovieMask?

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:46:30 GMT

It looks like YODA the programming language has already been done! Here's a reference from slash-dot from 2001.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/15/234223

Variable x to 10 be setting.
1 to x you add.
This times 10 you be repeating.

I wonder if they thought to patent? No? I'm on it!

re: YODA the Programming Language

Martin — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:10:54 GMT

The idea of actual programming if write less code, no more.
With this idea i do write more code :(
But this is original... for funny i say.

re: YODA the Programming Language

chuawenching — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:36:15 GMT

It seems to have some similarities to Ruby language.. english readable :)

Nice stuff :P

Regards,
Chua Wen Ching

re: YODA the Programming Language

mattwar — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:26:20 GMT

YODA similar to Ruby? Rubish.

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Pietro — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:49:46 GMT

No semi-colons, you'll let in the dark side.

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Grimm — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:47:13 GMT

This is probably the funniest blog I've ever read on MSDN :)

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Berislav Lopac — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:05:04 GMT

Well, wouldn't know about Yoda-speak, but you can already program in Latin: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html

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Morphy — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:08:25 GMT

Oh, so ugly it is!

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Avihoo Ilan — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:12:58 GMT

I don't know about this syntax, in fact, I wouldn't want to imagine a small yoda talking everytime I open my project, but the idea is nice... I mean, instead of a structural syntax, you -explain- the compiler what stuff are; imagine something like this:

Main is a function which accepts many string arguements and returns nothing; it orders the Console to Write "Hello World"

or if we had this C syntax:
function ReturnBigger(int A, int B) //considering that one of them is bigger
{
if (A > B) return A;
else return B;
}

it could be:

ReturnBigger is a function which accepts the integer B and the integer A and returns an integer; if A is bigger than B return A, otherwise return B

I know the above sounds ridiculous at the moment, just like everyone in the world uses computers these days, in the future, everyone would literally talk to their computer, and that's the step, at least.

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