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Dean Harding — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:17:22 GMT

Does this only work when talking to Exchange, or does it create a new MIME Content-Type? If so, is it documented anywhere so other email UAs can at least parse the data and let the user do a similar thing to Outlook?

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Deepak — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:56:49 GMT

This is great. I read about the 'Windows RSS Platform'; is Outlook 12 compliant? It seems IE 7 and Outlook 12 use different platforms as they do not share the feeds. Share Me! should also work between Microsoft Applications.

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beeb — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:52:31 GMT

I see Microsoft still employs 5-year-old design consultants to decide on UIs.

MS designers, *WHAT* are you thinking!?

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OMG — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:33:15 GMT

This is the most insane UI I have ever seen. Seriously.

Outlook 12's GUI

skitz.org — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:03:24 GMT

Outlook 12's GUI - Too many words (and buttons), all of them negative....

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Rick — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:07:35 GMT

Is it really gonna be that ugly. That's about the most cluttered and ugly interface I've ever seen. I know it makes sense, it is from M$

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Keith Williams — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:41:26 GMT

Uh, whatever happened to 'plain-text' email? Jesus Christ folks, it looks like more than 40% of the screen real estate here is dedicated to controls. Email composition is NOT THE SAME as document composition. I want to communicate a message, not write a paper.

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Michael — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:46:56 GMT

To my eyes, this is a horrific interface. I will never use it, and I'm beginning to suspect that Ubuntu is in my future. Sorry, Microsoft.

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Don — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:09:45 GMT

Looking at it now makes anyone puke. But I'm sure there's a "Switch to Simple Interface" button somewhere for people who just need a no nonsense email client. But if there's no user-accessible control to choose what layout they want, then Outlook sucks!

Besides, who actually takes time to stylize their emails anyway?

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Tyson — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:52:16 GMT

Please tell me that's not the final interface for Outlook. Please.

You can't be serious.

This reminds me of the mid 90s when small-time developers had to put every single feature in to a "toolbar" button.

Word 6 for Mac, anyone?

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Gabriel Jeffrey — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:38:20 GMT

i just hugged my mac.

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mbaudis — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:10:25 GMT

mac os x (all cocoa programs, e.g. safari, camino...):

1. highlight address
2. services - mail - send selection
3. type/select adressee in the automatically generated mail
4. cmd-shift-d

to gabriel jeffrey: i don't hug my macs. but if i would have to use outlook ...

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BadAquaRipOff — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:34:16 GMT

Deep down, you're seriously proud of this!?

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fledgnet — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:16:50 GMT

Caution: Microsoft UI must be taken with 1000mg of dramamine and plenty of water!

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Blark Siglovski — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:10:29 GMT

I, too, dislike many Microsoft-designed user interfaces, but I think the rest of you people are mean and uncouth.

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AL — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:36:35 GMT

I don't like this UI much either but beyond the 'new' toolbar it's pretty much the same. MS programs have always had extensive toolbar customisation so it's probably not a huge deal to tone it down to something reasonable.

Obviously they need to re-think the default toolbar layout though - it's the incosistent grouping and sizing that really throws the user...

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hijack — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:48:10 GMT

Has this interface done well in usability analysis? My immediate reaction to this is "gads!", but I also know that the general public sometimes reacts positively to things that I consider counterintuitive.

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Gareth — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:05:36 GMT

All Microsoft interfaces are awful. I don't see why the new Outlook should be any different. There are just so many options, buttons, folders, toolbars. To me it is unusable. I am interested in the new 'ribbon' interface, but from what I have seen I am not hopeful.

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Paul D — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:11:12 GMT

6 distinct button styles, three drop-down menu styles, text menus and icon menus jumbled together, 70% of real-estate taken by inessential widgets and controls … and that shiny metal style pulls your eyes into the top middle where there is no data or functionality. Design by committee?

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Jonathan — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:27:48 GMT

In fact, that's the way the whole brand new Office 12 it's gonna look like:

http://www.baychi.org/calendar/20051213/

It is already in Beta 1

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Christoph — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:43:17 GMT

... thanks god, I use mac and mail ...

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mattrothcline — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:24:53 GMT

This is not the final look & feel of the UI, folks.

http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/09/15/467956.aspx

See the second section, "The Visual Design of the Ribbon is Stolen From Mac OS X!"

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jens — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:44:09 GMT

unbelivable

Im starting to think this is some sort of a joke just to trigger Mac freaks into posting comments on how bad the UI design is... please tell me so

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bert — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:02:42 GMT

I think not only mac-user "smile" about the design ...

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Michael Ströck — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:52:57 GMT

Blark Siglovski:

I don't think people are being uncouth. They are just stating that they think this interface is butt-ugly. I don't get it. Perhaps it works better than it looks...

Microsoft is an incredibly succesful company, undoubtedly with lots of incredibly talented people. They could do so much more than this half-assed excuse for an interface overhaul.

And a big, whopping, DOUBLE-HUH regarding the "Share RSS" example.

In ALL the browsers I know, I would:

1) Right-Click on the XML Link in the Blog or to the permalink if we are talking about a single post
2) Click "Send Link"
3) enter the Email-adress in whatever email-client I use and click the send-button.

Also, In even the most inanely designed RSS-readers I know, it doesn't take any more clicks. On what planet are any other steps necessary?

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Matt Turner — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:10:15 GMT

Either of these sound better to me...

(long method)
1. You open or click on the link in Safari
2. go file>mail link or use the shortcut (Shift+Command+I)
3. Type in the recipients mail address and email it to them

(short method)
1. Drag the 'RSS Item' onto the mail icon in the doc
2. Type in the recipients mail address and email it to them

Then the recipient

1. Clicks the link which opens Safari (or their default rss reader)
2. Hits Command+D to bookmark it

BTW, what happens with all this sharing stuff if the recipient isn't blessed with Outlook 12 / windows vista, do they get it like an ordinary link?

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Michael Ströck — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:30:11 GMT

I completely agree with Matt Turner. Thanks for pointing out the short method, BTW, I should have added that, too :-)

Please note that we are not trying to bash you here! (At least I'm not.) We just don't get it. What you described in version two is nothing to be proud of, it's the bare minimum that people have come to expect. Sometimes we users think that Microsoft developers live in a completely different universe, where usability is defined by constants unknown to common man...

Who needs a ''sharing message'', that only people who are using the right version Outlook will see anyway? What's so bad about just a link? Operating systems have known for ages which application to open when you click a specific type of link. Couldn't you let Outlook quietly handle RSS links and subscriptions and just use a different style/leading icon for them, without all the extraneous fluff? Of course you can't, because you want to "innovate" (which you haven't done since Office 97, and Windows 2000, respectively, at least in my book).

That would be so much more transparent... Even to the end user, who doesn't know or give a rat's ass what a "sharing message" is. He received a link from somebody, if he wants to look at it, he will click it anyway. If not, he won't. Why do you have to intimadate him by inventing a completely useless way of representing what's in essence a perfectly normal email message?

Microsoft has -with a few exceptions- disappointed me on every front for years, perhaps even a decade, and it doesn't look as though Vista (don't get me started) or Office 12 will do anything to reverse that trend.

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Bob Heidel — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:02:59 GMT

Sweet Jesus, what did you do that that interface? Who needs jokes to poke fun at Microsoft when their own interface people come up with designs like these?

Of course, the masses will slurp it down, thinking its just the greatest thing ever and MS will sell billions more, there simply is no accounting for taste and some things never change.

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Brady J. Frey — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:26:51 GMT

Please, stop letting middle management decide the fate of design, Microsoft -- this is another setback... what makes you think that because you think it looks good, you know what looks good; from this UI to ie7 http://www.pulltoinflate.com/2006/02/08/design-without-all-that-design/

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Blark Siglovski — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:47:54 GMT

Michael Strök:

Point taken. Microsoft's UI's are indeed an affront to the world not only asthetically but in terms of usability. And due to the company's monopolistic business practices, these painfully ugly and inefficient systems are being forced upon innocent people and costing incalculable loss of creative energy across the globe. (Not me; I turn down job offers that won't let me use a Mac. But there are many victims who simply don't know better or have no choice.)

Still, though, comments like: "I see Microsoft still employs 5-year-old design consultants to decide on UIs" kind of lower the level of discourse.

Let us all continue to feel smug and superior to thug microsoft and their oddly unattractive and outrageously un-usable interfaces, without namecalling. I'm just saying, there was kind of a nasty tone developing and I don't think "group of people who care about great design and usability" necessarily has to overlap that much with "group of people who are surly and fanatical," even though I am indeed offended by Microsoft on many levels, including primally.

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Brian — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:33:09 GMT

"Still, though, comments like: "I see Microsoft still employs 5-year-old design consultants to decide on UIs" kind of lower the level of discourse."

No, Microsoft creating that UI lowers the level of discourse. This is a jillion-dollars-a-day corporation. They can afford to make good products. They choose not to. That kind of comment is absolutely appropriate.

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luke — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:30:28 GMT

my eyes are literally bleeding

It has little to do with that UI. Actually I lied, it has Everything to do with that UI

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Fred — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:59:18 GMT

What an abhorent user interface.

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Sandra Mueller — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:07:09 GMT

About RSS:

Two things that I would like to see altered.
1. When loading the links an IE browser opened to a blank screen. By the time I was done with the Office 2007 RSS feeds I had a dozen browsers going across the screen.

2. RSS feed messages are included in my new mail count for the inbox. Wish they were separate.

Thoughts?

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Matt — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:51:38 GMT

i think the UI deserves some appreciation. so...
are you kidding... that is the worst f***n' UI i have ever seen...
Sharing an RSS link is that buga a deal??? WTF?

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Tim — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:25:12 GMT

It amazes me the number of people who've commented here who spout ignorance with pride.

First, the new UI is a PLACEHOLDER. It's not pretty, but it's inteded to show the general concepts of the new user interface rather than be pretty. Beta 2 will apparently have a new look and feel, but conceptually it will be the same.

Second, the new UI has been MASSIVELY usability tested. And, speaking as someone who has been playing about with Beta 1 for several months, it's amazingly intuitive and easy to use. I'm not a beginner, and accessing features which were once limited to "advanced" users is now so easy that anyone can use them.

So, rather than have a jerk reaction to something which you've never used and only seen a screenshot of, maybe you should shut the hell up until you've thought about it a little bit. The blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/ explains a lot about the whys and hows of the new UI.

Finally, I should stress that pictures do NOT do the UI justice. Until you've seen it in action your opinion is invalid.

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Dylan — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:03:13 GMT

"Finally, I should stress that pictures do NOT do the UI justice. Until you've seen it in action your opinion is invalid."

So why have a screenshot to show "its own custom UI"?

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Tim — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:45:16 GMT

The screenshot in this case was showing the RSS attachment, not showcasing the new UI. Maybe every screenshot should be a video, but I doubt that's practical or necessary.

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