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Microsoft beats Oracle in security showdown

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2169225/microsoft-beats-oracle-security

Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:22 AM by michael_HOWARD
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Devi Setiawan said:

Oracle vs. Microsoft

Microsoft has been doing a good job in the security arena, no doubt there. But this "<a href="http://www.databasesecurity.com/dbsec/comparison.pdf">report</a>" isn't in-depth enough to draw the conclusions it does.

# November 24, 2006 12:44 PM

michael_HOWARD said:

Devi - so what do you think is deep enough?

# November 24, 2006 10:06 PM

Dirk Karl Maßat said:

A very interesting site, I think. The Idea of Technometry was new for me but worth to be read and thought abot it (although I'm not a native english-speaker and have some difficulties whith this language)

# December 1, 2006 7:44 PM

Lubomir said:

What's the point of having a "more secure" database server, when you can't run it on a really secured Operating System? Big amount of exploits are effectively rendered harmless by protections that are in present in Linux for years, but haven't been adopted my Microsoft until recently, or never. I'm talking about SSP or SELinux...

# December 4, 2006 10:56 AM

michael_HOWARD said:

Does Oracle work with SELinux? I've never tried it! I know it took me about 6 months to get a working LAMP stack to work.

# December 5, 2006 6:08 PM

michael_HOWARD said:

judging by "Oracle Database 10g Release 2 (10.2.0.1) Installation On Fedora Core 5 (FC5)" http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gR2InstallationOnFedora5.php

It looks like the answer is, "No."

>>SELINUX=disabled

# December 5, 2006 6:13 PM

Lubomir said:

Oracle currently works like a charm with SELinux. Fedora Core, which the article was for, is not an Oracle supported platform at all. Even Oracle leaves SELinux enabled (although in non-enforcing mode) in their operating system distribution.

Anyways, does Windows Vista provide anything comparable to SELinux or systrace or you believe that it is just unneeded? Or maybe planned for later releases?

And I feel sorry for you having to spend six months configuring a LAMP, as most GNU/Linux distributions would work for you out of box. Probably you shouldn't have picked Linux-From-Scratch as your first distro ;o)

# December 6, 2006 8:48 AM

michael_HOWARD said:

Send me a link to info about SELinux and Oracle. Of course SELinux is 'non-enforcing' mode is kind of a no-op!!! no?!

We have integrity controls in Vista. IE runs in low integrity, and can therefore not write to higher-integrity level resources, such as the OS. Firefox will also use this eventually, as can any software that's a socket away from the 'net.

# December 7, 2006 3:31 AM

michael_HOWARD said:

I just went to Oracle.com, and searched for SELinux. All I see are words like:

Page 1 of search results

SELinux=disabled

SELinux=0

Try turning SELinux OFF

Disable SELinux, and reinstall... see if that fixes Have you tried to disable selinux

Did you disable SELINUX? That's usually a problem area

Page 2 of search results

may be running into a problem with SELinux

disable SELinux, and reinstall

Have you tried to disable selinux?

SELInux and Firewalls are disabled, right?

SELinux turned off

If your SELinux is turned on - try turning it off

Did you disable SELINUX?

SELINUX=disabled and it works

I'm not gonna bother looking at the other pages! I get the hint at this stage.

# December 7, 2006 3:37 AM

Nate Snapp said:

That's too bad it took you 6 months to configure your LAMP stack--not sure if that's an exaggeration.  I'll admit I took the same Do It Yourself approach my first time through several years ago; I wanted to know how it all fit together.  These days I usually throw on a LAMP bundle that I can tweak afterwards however I need.  Try XAMPP: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html.  There are probably several other good ones as well.

# December 17, 2006 11:14 PM
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