Some keyboarding terms

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TrackBack — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:00 GMT

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re: Some keyboarding terms

Norman Diamond — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:21:00 GMT

If Layout ID and KLID are two separate identifiers, how come Windows still suffers from the forcing a single value to misrepresent both the keyboard layout and IME together? This is the root cause of some of the problems I've mentioned in feedback to some of your later postings. The physical keyboard has a physical layout of what is shown on its keys, and the IME is a separate layer on top of that. Why can't users (of either a real IME or "Global" IME) independently say what their real keyboard layout is and say what IME they wish to use on top of it?

re: Some keyboarding terms

Michael Kaplan — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:18:00 GMT

Your issue has nothing to do these two things being separate. I'll work at trying to help with the other issues you bring up in a different post though as this one is unrelated.

re: Some keyboarding terms

Norman Diamond — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:13:00 GMT

Well, I used to think that Microsoft had one single identifier into which they forced the combination of real keyboard layout and IME, resulting in the described problems. I used to think that those problems could be avoided by using two separate identifiers. Then in your posting I learned that there ARE two separate identifiers. So why didn't one identifier get one of these meanings and the other identifier get the other meaning? Why did both of them still get the combination of the same two meanings squashed together?

I understand that you will bring this up in another post, I thank you and I look forward to it. But meanwhile it still looks to me like my question was on-topic.

re: Some keyboarding terms

Michael Kaplan — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:40:00 GMT

They are different meanings, and the meaning relate to important tracking issues within the USER subsystem and the architecture of keyboards.

Your interest in adding yet a third meaning is a separate issue. So the reason that that meaning was not captured here is that they were busy with the other stuff? :-)

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