Don Box on Pragmatics vs Religion in web services technology

Here we go again: SOAP vs. REST

Stefan Tilkov's Random Stuff — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:34:29 GMT

It&#8217;s been quite some time, so it was to be expected that this particular permathread had to come up again &#8230; Don Box started it with this post, which was later elaborated through analogy quite nicely by Mike Champion. Mark Baker has

re: Don Box on Pragmatics vs Religion in web services technology

mikechampion — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:53:56 GMT

Stefan (and Mark Baker) push back that the Web is just fine for secure, reliable heavy lifiting; Mark cites Amazon, Google, eBay, etc. Here's my understanding, and maybe others can push back with better facts:
- Google uses a private former dark fiber network rather than the internet / Web for the "heavy lifting" of keeping its data centers in sync.
- Amazon (and eBay) uses web services technologies for critical communications with its many partners; it does a relatively good job of making ordinary customer interactions reliable and secure, but does so with immense amounts of custom code built on top of and around HTTP
- Typical enterprise IT shops tend see the Web as a necessary evil to communicate with customers, and must invest heavily in tools and expertise to get acceptable security / reliability; they generally use databases or enterprise message oriented middleware (e.g. MQ) to handle internal communications securely and reliably.

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