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I must apologize for my recent lack of blogging, but I’ve been most busy attempting to become a home owner.  This is a dream I’ve had for years now, but it was put on hold for a few years due to the most rediculous litigation surrounding my condo assocation.  One day, the association realized they were in $9 million dollars in debt and this was a problem.   Due to this unfortunate financial circumstance, my monthly home owners dues went from $117 to $330.  Since the corporate charter said they could not increase the dues by more than 10% a year, they were immediately sued by all sorts of people.  The prices of the condos in this complex plummeted and I was forced to stay unless I wanted to take a $20,000 loss.  After a few years, the association eventually won all the lawsuits (really good lawyers?) and the prices are finally starting to get back up to the same level as other similar condos in the area.

I decided to resume my dream of owning a house, however I became very interested in building it myself.  That way, I could get it just the way I wanted and use high quality materials.   I wanted something small and nice which is hard to find.  So I started looking into building a house – the first step is, of course, to find land.

Now, there’s a difference between a piece of land and a “lot”.  Land is simply any piece of dirt someone is willing to sell you.  This land might be on a slope, covered with brush, or be in some way totally unable to support any type of construction.   Of course, you don’t know until you actually do a feasibility study, which could costs thousands.  Lots would already be prepped and ready to build on.  A lot is tough to find unless you want a microscopic little tenth of an acre parsel in the middle of some yuppyville housing community.  Land around here goes for around $120,000 for anything decent.  Figure another $80,000 for leveling, escavation, clearing, permits, environmental studies, bribing public officials, etc.  So I figured I’d be looking at $200k before I could even start building anything.  So I called about 6 real estate agents looking for someone who would help me buy land.  None of them returned my phone calls.  It seems about 60% of land deals fall through and no one wants to get in that business.  In fact, the only people that build houses anymore are insanely rich people or major housing development corporations who build .1 acre lot yuppyville homes with the cheapest materials and give you a list of about 3 options to choose from.  This is not my thing.  So once you have the land, then what?  Well, you can buy a manufactured home.  This is by far the cheapest way to go.  You get these homes from companies such as Hiline Homes (www.hilinehomes.com) and they show up one day on the back of a rather large truck.  Those go for about $100k for a decent one, mind you they have incredibly undesirable floor plans.  If you want something nicer, you can go with a cute little log home from someone like Lindal Cedar Homes (www.lindal.com).  I love these!  These things show up on another rather large truck in pieces and you hire someone to put them together for you.  The cost is around $110/sf.  So figure $200,000 for a good size home.  However, this is just the outer “shell” of a house.  The walls, ceilings, doors, little metal bracket thingies, etc.  Once you’re done with that you’d have to hire a general contractor to fill in the innards which might cost you another $100k.  Third option - if you really want something nice, you have to hire an architect to design you something from scratch and have it custom built.  Custom built houses in this area go for around $300/sf.  So figure a nice little 2,000sf home would run you $600,000 just for construction.  Adding up these numbers makes building a house really push the budget of any average person.  So I decided to give up on this and look for an existing house that I liked.  One problem, I wanted a basement.

Why a basement?  Well, where else are you gonna hide all the dead bodies?  Actually, being a movie buff I really want to build a home theater.  It’d be great to have a projector mounted on the ceiling, with a nice 100” screen, accoustic tile on the ceilings, carpetted walls all in a room you could get pitch black.  Since it’s underground, you wouldn’t have to worry too much about noise.   And also as a guitar player – well you get the point.

Here’s the problem with that idea.  All the basements around here are daylight basements in Kirkland (not to knock on Kirkland, it’s a fine city but split entry houses are sooooo 70s.)  A daylight basement really doesn’t adapt well to my dream of having a home theater where I can crank up “The Mummy” and not have to worry about neighboring mobs showing up on my porch wielding pitch forks.  After looking at dozens of crappy houses, I decided to scrap the idea of having a basement (maybe someday) and start to look out east of Redmond.  Out there, you can still get a good amount of land and a decent place without having to give up your first born son.

My new house!Eventually, I found a great house on a big lot that I absolutely loved.  It has an awesome kitchen, great back yard for parties, plenty of space and a living room wired for home theater stuff.  I’ll be moving in next weekend if all goes well, and fixing up my condo to put it on the market before the holiday season.

One thing about looking for homes is it really helps you figure out what you like and what you don’t like in a house.  Walking through houses I absolutely hated was a great exercise and a most valuable experience.  I started to get really good at narrowing down what kind of house I wanted and what features were the most important, and I eventually found out that having a basement was not as huge of a requirement as I previously thought and wasn’t worth sacrificing other characteristics I wanted.  Having a big lot and a house that didn’t look like everything else on the street was far more important in the end.  One thing I did was take pictures of every house I visited and started to compile notes on what I liked and what I didn’t like.  In somewhat of a "binary search" fassion, I was able to narrow down exactly what I wanted in a house.

Hopefully when the dust settles, I’ll be able to blog more again.  Stay tuned for my semi-left wing rant on housing prices (I didn’t want to make this entry too long).  That’s it for now!

Mike

Published Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:45 PM by mikechr
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# re: Housing adventures

Monday, September 25, 2006 3:38 PM by Lee Spearin
Mike;
Enjoyed your blog, I did find a single inaccuracy.  HiLine Homes provides on your site, stick built homes.  Not a manufactured home by any means.  Footings, foundations, walls all framed by hand.  Not a $300/sf house but many very nice homes.  Please visit one of the model homes to confirm for yourself.
thank you
Lee Spearin

# re: Housing adventures

Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:58 PM by Karen

Hi Mike,

I have to agree with Lee. You are way off base with HiLine. They are NOT, in any way, a manufactured home. Nor are they brought in on "the back of a large truck." We are having one built right now and we have had two separate contractors (not HiLine contractors) stop and tell us our home has been built with high quality material.  We should be moving in soon and our home is beautiful. Our home has a large kitchen, a large master bedroom, cathedral ceilings, skylights, etc. The floor plan is open and interesting. The roof line in no way, resembles a manufactured home and the facade adds interest and depth to the home. We have Pergo flooring and Milguard windows. We certainly haven't settled for less. Please check out HiLine before you group these homes in with lesser quality homes. :-)

# re: Housing adventures

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:11 AM by mikechr

Sorry..  I must admit I didn't check into them very thoroughly since they don't seem to build in King County..  What I meant is they're kinda in between manufactured homes and custom built homes (as far as price anyway.)  They're built on site, but you have to choose from a portfolio of floor plans rather than design it from the ground up yourself.  Good thing this is a web dev blog and not a construction/housing blog..

Mike

# re: Housing adventures

Monday, January 29, 2007 1:10 AM by Tracy

I also believe your statement is inaccurate, Hiline Homes provides over 20 design layouts of stick built homes, not manufactured, It isn't a big truck pulling up to your land a sticking a house on it. It is actual excavating, foundation, good ole stick built home.

# re: Housing adventures

Monday, January 29, 2007 1:14 AM by Tracy

Also, I thought I would add a bit of info for you as a county planner, feasiblity studies and such are done at a time when a land is subdivided by the owner maining for selling purposes. Look for land like that and you will avoid all those charges and get great info on zoning, soil compostion, water depth etc. That will save you thousands. This is public information, so go to your county planning office for more info on land you want in a specific area.

# re: Housing adventures

Friday, June 29, 2007 1:49 PM by DW Hall

I must reply to all of this non-sence, In yakima, Hiline has invaded some areas where custom homes have been built.This in return kills the value of these homes when a cookie cutter home is slapped up right next to it. Shame on me for not seeking stricter covenance around me.

# re: Housing adventures

Friday, August 03, 2007 10:08 PM by jim

Hiline seems to use somewhat interesting marketing tactics @ 35$ a sq ft... I dont think so....... what do they heat it with cadet wall heaters. they got to be cutting big time corners and heavily banking on big time options markup orders. I looked at them........ total junk

# re: Housing adventures

Monday, August 20, 2007 12:13 AM by Trent

If anyone is curious about the Hiline Homes building process, keep an eye on my site.  I am getting ready to build a HiLine home, and I will be blogging the whole process, from start to finish.  I will have photos and video as well.  I will also be posting all the companies that I used to do land preperation, such as Survey, Excavation, Septic and Well. Currently I am waiting for the land division to be approved.  The site:  www.myhilinehouse.com/

# re: Housing adventures

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:46 AM by wayne

Sadly is it when someone is stereotyped from a preconscieved notion.  This is also true now to what folks believe about homes.  I have owned a very nice 1700+ sf plus 500+ sf garage hiline home in the lakebay area.  i couldn't be happier.  Sorry that you folks in the custom areas of Yakima find these homes owned by a second class level citizen.  But, this home, which i built new, was reasonibly priced on the land after all elemnts such as clearing, leveling, landscaping, drainfield dug, and so on for 232,500, and was appraised at 245,000.  so it seems to me that you have to have some level of income to be capable of purchasing such a home.

# re: Housing adventures

Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:09 AM by Dan Goter

I built my HiLine Home in 1999. I knew that manufactured homes depreciated and stick built homes appreciated. I owned this piece of property since 1990 and had no opportunity to build a stick built home until Hiline came around with some good floor plans to pick from. They gave me the opportunity to build a quality stick built home with minumal money down which is virtually impossible with a customer builder charging $120.00 a sq ft for the exact same home. This is true because I took the plan to another builder and asked what price they could build this for me and the price previosly mentioned is what they told me. I had a material list of what was being used provided by Hilne and also showed that same builder. I told the builder what price I was getting it built for with all my upgrades. The builder said if he built it for that he would go broke. Hiline came in at $48.00 a sq ft with all kinds of nice upgrades. I here a lot of people in blogs say Hiline is not honest, to me it is the other builders that are not honest. Hiline is still around and I assume are making good money for what they charge because I see their signs everywhere. I did not have a lot of money and trusted in Hiline to build me a quality home. They did. I still live in it today and I have made $300,000.00 in equity in 8 yrs. That by far has been my best investment in my life. Absolutely nothing has went wrong with my home, so I have put no out of pocket money into it. Now with the money I have made with the first home I built. I am going to build another Hiline Home cash. Thanks HiLine for giving me this opportunity

# re: Housing adventures

Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:52 PM by ryan

The catch with hiline is that they are quoting you for the extreme basic model of the home itself. There are a ton of other costs (Septic system, lot improvements or plan upgrades) that get the price up and that's where most people get blindsided. Our plan is well over the 100 dollar a square foot mark with our upgrades even though we picked a 72/sq ft plan.

The other issue is that hiline wants their cash up front for each payout during construction. This is not standard and severely limits your ability to find lenders that will give you competitive rates.  My wife and I have been in the "build" process since July but have yet to break ground due to the fact that we can't find a lender who will lock the rate before we start. The only lender we've found that will work with us won't lock the rate until the drywall stage, which is half way though the build process. With that, the rates could jump to a point that we can't afford the home anymore.

In a normal construction loan, most companies will lock the final 30 year fixed rate for a specified period of 6, 9 or 12 months which guarantees that you get today's rate when the home is done. With this there is usually a one time buy down option that you can initiate once during the process if the rates happen to drop.

# re: Housing adventures

Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:42 AM by Carol

Hi Mike,

Thanks for posting this blog site.  I have been entertaining the idea of building a Hiline home on our lot with several upgrades, the heating being one. All the feedback given has helped me make a positive decision.

# re: Housing adventures

Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:08 PM by CEA

We just finished a Hi-Line Home.  It took 7 months to complete. House seems decent but the process was a nightmare.   We had the worst experience ever.  The "pre-approved plans" were not, so the County rejected them for code issues.  1 month delay there.  The "owner provided" cost estimates were way way low.  Plans on spending about $15-20K out of your own pocket.  Our calls were rarely returned, we always got someones voicemail.  We had huge delays costing us 2 months of interest-only payments for the construction loan.  Our project manager gave us almost no direction or guidance.  The upgrade costs are awful.  The County inspector "forgot" to put the approved meter sticker on box (6 weeks, no one said a thing).  PSE took 2 weeks to show up, red-tagged us for no sticker, then took 2-1/2 more weeks to show up again.  $700 for an extra door off the garage?  It's a $80 door at Home Depot!  The carpet guys scratched the hell out of ALL the freshly painted wall corners and messed up our $4600 Maple trim upgrade. And then we find out we are responsible for puttying all the nail holes.

DON'T DO IT!!!!  Just burn your money, you'll be happier.

# True Built Home-HiLine Home-Reality Homes, INC

Monday, May 12, 2008 6:55 PM by Lewis D. Mann

I worked for HiLine Homes when they first got their start back in 1997. They were former framers of Adair Homes. HiLine, like Reality Homes and my own company are "site built". The only thing manufactured are the trusses. Everything else is delivered and built on site. Sorry to here some have not been too happy with the process, but honestly, where can buyers have as much walk in equity and make the kind of money one can make building an affordable house on your lot? Not a lot. As the owner of True Built Home, I was one of the original founders of Reality Homes Inc out of Fife, (I left because of a conflicting vision about the company's direction)I have address many of the "cheap" finishing issues that others have mentioned here and have attempted to give a much better finish standard than both HiLine and Reality. All of my homes start at about 50.00 a sq. Don't be fooled about the 38.00 a sq. foot. In all my years of selling for both companies, I never once had seen or signed a 38.00 a sq. ft contract. It's a hook. That's about 400 plus homes. Feel free to contact me if you'd like to learn more and just to chat about the process. It's my passion.

Lewis D. Mann CEO True Built Home.

www.truebuilthome.com

You can also learn more about True Built Home at www.epedagogue.com

# re: Housing adventures-Hi-Line Homes

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:58 PM by Dave Jaenicke

My wife and I had Hi-Line Homes do a country rambler last year and we found this company to be top notch. The people who work for Hi-Line are the best. We couldn't be happier. If you are thinking of this company be advised the challenges are with permits and patience. We did our own clean up and enjoyed it. We visited the site every day and had any small issues taken care of then.The biggest concern was the finance. Countrywide of Bremerton was our heroes. They did our fixed construction loan and they were really great. We had this house built with the huge skylight and a lot of upgrades.There were no defects even on the final walk through. What a dream come true.We looked at all the rest of the builders. We saw a lot of model homes. Hi-Line worked really well for us. One piece of advice.."ENJOY THE PROCESS" plus I really learned a lot about  home construction. Let me know if you have any questions if you do build with Hi-Line.

# re: Housing adventures

Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:46 PM by Patti Beggio

My son and dil had hi line build their home.  Their name should be changed to low line.  I was just slapped together, some of the insulation was missing, the windows all were not level, the roof had to be put on twice and oh my goodness, that is not the half of it.

# re: truebuilthome

Friday, September 05, 2008 7:19 AM by JD

I heard truebuilt was a joke.  Just another spinoff of Reality Homes and Hiline Homes.  Lewis Mann only has experience with sales.  What does he know about construction and development?  He's apparently built one home for himself that he lives in and now he's a building pro? Good luck to his customers.

# Really Really Bad Homes Inc of Fife

Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:43 AM by Lowell "Spank" my Hankel i love to.

Jamie Hankel set cones for his daddy and then he got lucky with Reality "screws" Homes Inc. Go back to setting your cones. You company is going down. Check the BBB before you loose your money with Really Bad Homes Inc of Fife.

# re: Truebuilthome

Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:44 PM by LarryK

Lewis Mann has a silent partner who has been in the construction business for over thirty years!!! Unlike the other builders "this guy is a real pro!" He understands everything about construction "and I mean everything". If Hiline or reality homes think that Lewis mann is a joke they better sit down and really think about the future!!  This guy is consulting with designers, Advertising firms, engineers, Corporate branding companys' "The man is driven to be the best" he wasn't going to open the doors until 2009! when he launched the first web test site he had an overwhelming demand for more info.  I've been in all three of his competitors homes and i can tell you personally that there is no comparison! He truly builds a better house in fact they are quite impressive

# re: Truebuilt home

Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:58 PM by Robert Filgard

I've been a general contractor for thirty years!  Reality homes had a computer geek design the houses, They are all crap!! Hiline had 5 homes design by an actual designer the rest were done by the owners..Why? Because they were cheap and did'nt want to pay the designer...Truebuilt on the other hand, were done by a professional..I've known the contractor that's involved in the company.. The guy knows what he's doing.  Truebuilt home is not another spinoff from Hiline or Reality homes!! This is a serious company with some very smart people at the helm...Contact them and see for yourself!

# re: Reality homes a true joke

Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:36 PM by JS

I know the hankels and the Fanchers and they never had construction experience "The guys were sitting in a hot tub in hawaii talking about Hiline when they decided that they could and should do the same thing as Hiline?" What's funny about this is that they contacted Lewis Mann and offered him part ownership if he would help them start the company why? Because they knew nothing about the on your lot business. After Mr mann left the company...they started the death spiral. The Hankels are not business men they just suck on the fat of others! Tom Fancher does have business experience "He ran a little barricade company" Reality homes is a true joke. the funny part is when they say..."they've helped people get into a house that they could not normally afford." what they should say is welcome to a nightmare of a home

# re: Housing adventures

Monday, September 15, 2008 12:12 AM by JD

Whatever...True Built is just trying to capture some of the business of Hiline, Reality, etc. Can't knock that. However, Lewis is trying to put some spin on the concept that the house he builds for $38 a sq ft will magically be "SO MUCH MORE" than his competition that's built 1,000s when he's built 1 (one). Unfortunate for Lewis and True Built is that he has NO EXPERIENCE building.  Silent partner or not the customer should ask to SEE and SPEAK with someone that actually had a house built by Lewis before proceeding.  Buyer Beware...Lewis is a smooth talker.  He was a "SALESMAN" and a real estate agent before he decided to put on a builder hat.  One house doesn't make you a building company pro. Really for anyone choosing to build with any of these big companies is risky right now IMHO.  I would be surprised if they are meeting their sales goals to keep their own doors open.  I wonder what will happen if you are halfway through your build and the company decides to close shop.   Good luck people.

# All the experianced needed

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:46 PM by Lewis D. Mann

OK, I heard this was going on so I thought I'd make a post. As to no experience, absolutely wrong. I have years of experience unlike the person leaving his initials, but not his name appears to lack confidence. I have several homes built being built and under contract, actually taking portions from Reality Homes and HiLine Homes. So, if any one reads this blog and would like to find out the truth which the previous blogger lacks, just call me or email me and I can provide plenty of reverences of contractors, lenders and clients.

www.truebuilthome.com It's actually funny to see what people say on these sites. But at least a few things are true. True Built Home builds a smater home a better home and we are taking over the on your lot business. Maybe not today, but a big train takes a little more effort to get going and we are now going. Look for our showroom in Lacey, King Couty and Moses Lake in the year to come.

# All the experianced needed

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:46 PM by Lewis D. Mann

OK, I heard this was going on so I thought I'd make a post. As to no experience, absolutely wrong. I have years of experience unlike the person leaving his initials, but not his name appears to lack confidence. I have several homes built being built and under contract, actually taking portions from Reality Homes and HiLine Homes. So, if any one reads this blog and would like to find out the truth which the previous blogger lacks, just call me or email me and I can provide plenty of reverences of contractors, lenders and clients.

www.truebuilthome.com It's actually funny to see what people say on these sites. But at least a few things are true. True Built Home builds a smater home a better home and we are taking over the on your lot business. Maybe not today, but a big train takes a little more effort to get going and we are now going. Look for our showroom in Lacey, King Couty and Moses Lake in the year to come.

# re: Housing adventures

Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:48 AM by JD

...then post for us all a couple of those sites where we can view "homes built being built...".  Only customers you have were taken with you from Reality Homes.  Your website tells lies. You'll be broke before you open a single showroom.

# Stupid is as stupid says

Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:41 AM by js

Lewis signed a three year non-compete. So, if Reality Homes really thought he was not a threat, why the non-compete??? Hmmm. As far as taking clients, three years?? Come on, make a better case than that. What silly non-sense.

If JD post again, I will insist on posting the truth over and over again until every blog site from Burlington to Yakima to Portland will know the truth. Go away JD. You won't like this heat  http://blogs.king5.com/archives/2006/11/_investigating.html

# re: Housing adventures

Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:19 PM by JD

Reality significantly changes operations after the neg. publicity.  They are no where near the company they were two year ago.  The non-compete is intended to prevent someone from stealing trade secrets and attempting to compete in the backyard of the company that gainfully employed them.  All the companies do it as a standard practice.  Go ahead and post some of the homes you have built...or wait I guess that would just be your own.  You said it best..."stupid is as stupid says".  You don't even make sense when you write.  At least there seems to be some education with the "other companies".  I feel sorry for the sucker that buys into you...

# re: Housing adventures

Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:23 PM by JD

Last thought on your posting threat.  Go ahead retard.  Post away.  You'll have your own blog story before long.  Lies, deceit, false advertising and the list goes on.  Have it your way...er have it the "True Way".

# re: Housing adventures

Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:25 PM by T Uffleman

As a Building inspector I can tell you that the problems are in their home designs!  They have many issues! Rooms to small,  doors positioned wrong,  Windows off set!  asymetrical designs in their kitchens!! It goes on and on.  What they need to do is get out of the industry because they make my job difficult.  T Uffleman Mason county building inspector

# re:Reality Homes And JD

Thursday, September 18, 2008 5:48 PM by Richard smith

Why use your initials Jamie Hankle... You and your company suck.. You should focus on your problems instead of trying to focus on someone else's.... Well? I guess it won't matter since it's about to go the same route as AIG  "BROKE AND OUT OF BUSINESS"  Maybe you should try and get a bail out!  starting with your exit!  you idiot!  Give me break! You built crap and the proof is all over the internet.

# Really bad

Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:38 PM by Lewis D. Mann

WOW, this is getting way out of hand. If that is you Jamie, then lets just end this. As for JS, T uffleman and Larry, Richard Smith, please just back down. Not sure your angle in all of this. As far as "JD", lets just end this really meaningless word fight. After all, we know how big RHI is and yes, True Built Home is little. We only have one home.

# re: Housing adventures

Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:38 PM by JD

Reality continues to grow while True Built attempts to even build their company with lies and deceit.  Hmmm...kinda how you worked as a former salesman with Reality and Hiline.

# True Built Homes

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:30 PM by JD

...smoke and mirrors people.  Read the thread.

# re: Housing adventures

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:12 PM by consumer

This really makes me not want to deal with any of you 5yr olds! Real professional

# To All

Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:48 PM by Fellow Builder

I have known Lewis since 1999. He, as far as I know has been in this business since then. Selling homes. Meeting with people on site to stake out homes. Drawing scaled site plans. Working with multiple real estate agents in helping people find land. He in my experiences with him seemed to have a lot of drive and seemed to me to be a good guy. He, like the rest of us out there in the building industry is trying to be a profitable company in these hard times. It is time to forget about the past and work to keep a possitive light on an excellent business model.

To everybody else reading this blog besides these 2 companies arguing about what might have happened internally. This is an excellent business model and all the homes being built by all these companies are quality homes at an extremely good cost. Which in turn is and has given people that might have never built a stick built home an opportunity to build one instead of throwing a Manufactured Home up lowering values for homes in communities.

To all in the industry. Keep building Quality Homes at a fair price. This is what the business model was set up to do.

# re: Housing adventures

Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:19 PM by JD

Ha Ha now true built offers a "budget package" for $38 a sq ft like all the rest after bashing his competitors for doing the same.  What a joke. Nice marketing campaign.

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# re: Housing adventures

Friday, July 17, 2009 10:37 PM by huh

This is really scary if any of these posters work for either Reality or Hiline Homes.  Why aren't there any decent competent builders out there?  Can it be that hard to hire a framing crew and interior carpenter to build a house nowadays?

# re: Housing adventures

Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:34 PM by Dog eat dog world

A recent aquisition to your sales management. BIG mistake. He will help you lose sales like he did with his last employer. Also your preconstruction manager knows nothing about excavation and helping people get things together to start the build. Might want to think about pulling new employs from a distressed job market. Not taking on rejects.

# True Built Scam

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:06 PM by JD

You think you know it all.  What would you know about excavation.  You are a glorified mobile home salesman trying to wear a home builders hat......harder they fall.

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