Running Max OS X on Windows XP...

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Frankie Fresh's Blog — Sun, 04 Jul 2004 08:02:00 GMT

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Steve — Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:00:00 GMT

I've posted some tips on how I got it up and running at:
http://www.furrygoat.com/PermaLink.aspx?guid=2b11ceea-d0e4-4899-87f5-2a52e36775c0

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Rob Schneider — Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:23:00 GMT

Interesting. Thanks.
(Any way to cut down the size of the bitmap, use jpg or something). Took forever to download and for those with dialup paying by the minute will cost them a fortune.

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Mike — Sun, 04 Jul 2004 22:40:00 GMT

Sure, I will keep the image size down in future :)

Run OS X on XP

Geek News Central — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:25:00 GMT

Yes you heard me correctly someone is running OS X in Windows XP and not the other way around. I...

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wtf — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:28:00 GMT

Who the hell pays by the minute for dial up access?????

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Mike — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 04:35:00 GMT

Once you've been using broadband for a while you forget that some people are still using dial-up connections - I'd certainly recommend moving to a broadband connection - I had a really tough time convincing my father to move to a broadband connection - I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be without it now...

- Mike

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Mac Guy — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:43:00 GMT

Is the speed of Mac OS X on Win XP the same as the speed of the download of the screenshot? ;-) (sloooooooooow)

15 mins after download of screenshot....

Mac Guy — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:52:00 GMT

Just watching the 2 OSes, it stroke me how they really come from different galaxies. One is elegant and beautiful (transparency, drop shadows, metalic...), the other one is, well you must know, you use it every day....

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Neil Turner — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:33:00 GMT

A lot of people outside the US still have dial-up. I for one have been stuck with it until just a few weeks ago because I was living in rented accommodation and couldn't get DSL.

Admittedly, I wasn't paying by the minute but many still do. So yeah, a JPEG next time :)

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Dixie Nightchix — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:09:00 GMT

It's a 3 minute wait on DSL. Maybe you're being slashdotted or farked and the server is about to go down in 5... 4... 3... 2...

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Mike — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:11:00 GMT

Interestingly, the image is just cross linked to the OS Emulation site, I don't host this on the blog - I didn't check the format before posting, I've just taken a look on the OS Emulation site, turns out the image is a BMP - I will check in future, if it's a BMP I will try to remember to convert to a JPG or GIF before posting...

- Mike

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Mike — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:18:00 GMT

MacGuy, loved the comment, thanks ! - You talked about transparency, drop shadows etc... There's a guy in my team that's customized his Windows XP desktop to look and feel just like a Mac, using applicaitons like ObjectDesktop and other 3rd party plug ins (http://www.stardock.com/products/desktopx/) - it's possible to make Windows XP look and feel like Longhorn, or Microsoft Bob (remember Bob?).

I'd be interested to know why you chose to run on a Mac rather than a PC.

- Mike

OS X on XP

Link-Fu — Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:15:00 GMT

Running Max OS X on Windows XP....

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Arlen — Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:38:00 GMT

"I'd be interested to know why you chose to run on a Mac rather than a PC."

I'm not the guy you asked, but I'll take a shot at answering, if you don't mind having an answer unriddled by polemic and name-calling (which, unfortunately, is how discussions like this often go).

I don't like the UI philosphy expressed in Windows.

Example: Windows.

I like a menu bar at the top of the screen, not at the top of windows that can be placed anywhere on the screen. I like being able to just slam my mouse up to the top of the screen, and only having to get the direction right, and not the distance as well, in order to hit a menu. I like knowing, for example, that the "Edit" menu is approximately *here*, in absolute terms, because then I can just move to it. I don't like having to stop and think about whether this is the correct menu bar (I can't tell you how many times I've hit the wrong menu bar when I'm working on a Win box -- and I regularly work on Mac and Win, and even Unix/Linux) before I click on it. (Heck, having to be sure I'm hitting the right mouse button is a drag, but I can pay that price if I get enough functionality in return; I don't get any functionality at all that I can tell from the other design decisions.)

I like the ability to bring an entire application's set of windows to the front; If I could, I'd like to be able to "group" a set of windows from different apps and be able to switch them to the front all in one operation, but I'll settle for multiple windows from the same app.

Embedding a menu bar in a window means either some choices drop out of sight when the window narrows sufficiently (as when trying to get 3-4 windows up for a side-by-side comparison) or the window refuses to narrow enough to achieve the effect. Either option is bad.

I'm not saying MS got it wrong and Apple got it right in every instance. I just feel Apple's percentage is enough higher that the tools fits noticeably beeter in my hand, that's all.

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Mike — Fri, 09 Jul 2004 05:00:00 GMT

Arlen,

Thanks for the comment - I've not really spent sny time working with a Mac, in fact the last time I really got hands on with an Apple machine was a Lisa some time back.

Most of my development time has been spent building embedded software, initially intel 4004 based, then 8-bit, 16-bit, and now 32-bit (Windows CE and Windows XP Embedded) - the host operating systems I've used to develop embedded software have been CP/M-80, MS-DOS, Windows 1.0 through to Windows XP Pro - using a mixture of command line tools and GUI tools.

Actually, my first 'application' was written on a mainframe using a teletype to produce 8-hole paper tape, then have this read into the computer, and then walk to a third room to get the results... I had a mistake in my first application and needed to cut and paste (literally) some additional 8-hole tape into my program.

I had a meeting with a customer today that had some questions/problems with developing a Windows CE operating system image, the Windows CE development tools run on Windows 2000 or Windows XP - the developer had two machines on his desk, an Apple Laptop (primary machine), and a Windows XP PC - the developer used an RDP connection from their Mac to connect to the XP box and develop their o/s image.

Today was the first time I've seen an Apple being used for any length of time - I really liked some of the UI effects, shadowing, application switching (they didn't have any of that on my wire-wrap Intel 4004 device!), but found the menu at the top of the screen a little odd (at first), I'm sure it wouldn't take too long to get used to it though.

I've seen some of the guys at work using add-in applications to give a Mac look and feel to their Windows XP machines, or to give a Longhorn look and feel to Windows XP.

- Mike

Running Mac OS X on Windows XP

Mike Walker's Blog — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:57:00 GMT

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Digital Czar — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:23:00 GMT

IF you don't like the "toolbar" at the top of the window, then go to "View" and "hide" the toolbar.

That's what's nice about Mac OS X, you do have some choice, and the hardware contrary to the PC experts is upgradeable.

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dmaz — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:54:00 GMT

The worst thing about having the menu at the top is that it takes forever to get there on large screens. One of Apple's primary GUI rules is to make sure that reaching a tool, like the menu bar is as quick as it can be. Well, that is certainly the case for me with screen resolutions of about 1024x768. But at resolutions of 1280 and higher with windows place around the screen this starts to take more time moving up to the corner and then back again. Having the menu on the window preserves context. One of my BIGGEST grips from Apple (btw I use both windows and apple, OS 7 on up) is real lack for true support of context menus. This is stupid because a context menu is the realization of the GUI rule above. They even say, the quickest movement is not to make a movement at all. It's so clear yet they refuse to ship 2 button mice.... one button mice are dumb. I know what ctrl click does and I do have a 2 button mouse, it's just the attitude. Software support for those menus are increasing but they're not half of what XP has.

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Mike — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:37:00 GMT

so it sounds like there isn't one operating system that has the UI "just right" - I've tried using the one button mouse, and it just doesn't "feel right" - I also feel that there's something missing when I'm using a mouse without a wheel.

I've been using Toshiba laptops for a while now, the current Tablet M200 has a touch pad for the mouse, I must say that I prefer the "nipple", the touch pad can be annoying, while typing you touch the pad by accident and your mouse cursor is now half way up the screen and you are over-typing some code or content.

- Mike

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