MOSS Search Word Stemming - Part 2

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aches — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:53:53 GMT

Great investigation! Thanks!

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Two posts that explain Search Word Stemming in MOSS by Mike TaghizadehMOSS Search Word Stemming - Part...

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Microsoft Office Sharepoint Server (MOSS) 2007 - Sacramento, CA — Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:42:33 GMT

This article implies support for stemming but it does not seem to be enabled by default. Stemming =...

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John Smith — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:49:07 GMT

Still wondering where that option is. I've looked all over and can't find it. I googled and still can't find it. Maybe the option to turn on stemming doesn't exist. At least that's what me thinks.

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Sharon — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:36:53 GMT

Ah, didn't realise it was switched off by default. I've just chatted about this in more detail over at my blog, but if you are looking to switch it on, here's my quick and dirty method:

- Go to the search page, enter any old query to return the search results page

- Under Site Actions, select 'Edit page'

- Locate the 'Search Core Results' web part (usually in the bottom zone)

- From the Edit button, select 'Modify shared web part'

- In the task pane that appears on the right hand side, under 'Results Query Options', check the box labeled 'Enable Search Term Stemming'

Hey presto, stemming is switched on. Be warned, it will increase your index size and potentially impact search performance

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John Smith — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:21:37 GMT

Thank you Sharon. Works like a charm.

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Tony — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:05:30 GMT

A quick follow up on Sharon's comment.

Is turning on stemming really increasing the index size?

My reading of the post is that stemming is only configurable for the search web part. Which means that when you type the keyword run, the search engine will also search for ran, running, runs, etc... in the index. But it doesn't change the composition of the index.

Also are there any numbers out there on the impact of turning on that feature in terms of precision/recall and performances?

Thanks,

Tony.

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Tom Baldwin — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:56:51 GMT

Is there a way to turn on stemming just for People search?

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miketag — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:14:51 GMT

Stemming is for the results web part which brings content and people back. You can look into building your own web part which seperates the two and you can pick and choose.

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Klaus — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:59:44 GMT

Wildcard Search (e.g. "Share*") doesn't work on my MOSS Box. Even if I enable stemming.

Is there anything else that I need to configure?

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miketag — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:17:31 GMT

Stemming is NOT the same thing as wild card searching. I have talked about in the article. We do support wild card as well, look into the SDK.

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Attila — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:07:53 GMT

The only thing that I found in the SDK regarding wild card search involves building a custom web part. Is there no way to simply flip a switch to allow for wild cards in search?

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miketag — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:40:56 GMT

No, we support this through building a custom web part.

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Klaus — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:45:01 GMT

I think this is really annoying. Why do I have to write my own WebPart just to have Wild Card search. This is such an important feature, which customer complaint alot about in SPS2003. Why can't MS give us this feature out of the box? I really don't get it.

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Manfred — Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:54:15 GMT

I think because the performance would suffer... but I also think this is needed out of the box.

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Miguel — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:57:26 GMT

Does any one know, where i can find an example on how to build a custom web part that has the wild card search feature?

Thanks

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--David — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:07 GMT

I agree with the responder just above me - WHERE can we find the steps to create the custom SQL query. Wildcards do not work 'out of the box' in MOSS 2007. Get over it. Help us create a custom SQL part for it then!

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Bashir Jadallah — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:48:39 GMT

Hi Mike,

I am new in Enterprise Search, i would highly appreciate if you can help me in the following: I have a Document Library called "CVs" that includes Word Documents for our employees' CVs,an example for a file name: Bashir's CV. When i type CV in the search center search box, i only get all the employees' CVs without the URL of the Document Library "CVs". However, if i type CVs, i get the Document Library URL and all the employees' CVs. Should i enable any feature in MOSS?

Thank you in advance

Bashir Jadallah

bjadallah@netways.com

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Lars Fastrup on SharePoint Search — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:40:37 GMT

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Rblitz — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:54:20 GMT

If the configuration to allow stemming is set in the core results web part, will that setting be published to from an authoring environment to a production environment in a WCM publishing scenario? Or, do I have to go to the search page on the production host and make the same config?

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Steve Rubin — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:02:41 GMT

I followed your instructions (thanks!!!!), checked the checkbox for enable stemming in the search core results webpart. Next I did a full crawl. After the crawl, when I searched for "egger" I got a hit, but "egg" still got me nuthin. Went back and checked that the box was still checked, which it was. Am I missing something?

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Keutmann — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:07:32 GMT

Is stemming and word breaker supported on the Danish language?

It works for me on English, but not on Danish even that I have set the Browser language to da-DK.

Do I miss something?

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Ray — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:39:23 GMT

Ok, if a search engine cannot support wildcard search OOTB as MS says, when its a total failure. I mean why do i have to write a custom web part for a very basic requirement, I can write a custom web part for custom client needs for example, but not for something that should be out of the box. All what I am saying to my clients, after installing sharepoint, is that to not rely on its search engine. Prove us the contrary and provide wildcard search out of the box!!!!

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Jeff — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:16:26 GMT

Ray (et al) I'm in total agreement. why bother saying you have search capabilities when it does not include wildcard. isn't that the whole idea behind any search?? If I'm "searching" for something vague like "micro" the search results should bring back, microscope, microgram, micrometer, microsoft, microphone, etc. get it??? now I would have to actually type in microsoft to get info about that searched phrase! so how MOSS has search working would basically NOT all someone to find documents, names in SP that have microsoft in them if the search keyword = micro.

Wildcard shoudl be the default and NON wildcard should be an option if needed to be turned off.

I'm so close to wrapping up my custom search for a client and now have to figure out wildcard searches to be 100% done.

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Andries den Haan — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:55:25 GMT

I cannot get this to work as well. I am using an English MOSS environment where the "Enable Search Term Stemming" checkbox is unchecked in the search results page.

I have done the following:

Uploaded a text file with the term "new york" to a MOSS site;

replaced the tsneu.xml in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office Servers\12.0\Data\Office Server\Applications\<GUID>\Config with the following contents

<diacritics_sensitive>0</diacritics_sensitive>

<sub>detroit</sub>

</expansion>

</thesaurus>

</XML>

Restarted Office SharePoint Server Search and performed a full crawl afterwards.

Searched for "detroit" expecting to retrieve the "new york" file.

But I did not get the expected results. Dit I miss something.

I hope you can help me.

Best regards,

Andries

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Clayton — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:29:34 GMT

Wow, as much as I love MOSS yet no freakin' wildcard capability in search? Every, and I mean _EVERY_ search engine in the world has this - most of them free - yet MS can't figure it out in its flagship enterprise application?? What an unbelievable farce...

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Troy — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:44:42 GMT

I have turned on the Word Stemming and it works find if you go to the Search Subsite but what if you use the Search Box on the Home Page. This displays the results in the OSSSearchResults.aspx page in the _layouts folder and does not seem to return the same results. i.e it will not implement Word Stemming. Is there a way to make this work the same as the Search Subsite?

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Mikko — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:06:42 GMT

We configured the Word Stemming for finnish language support and after that the search fails to function correctly. There seems to be something wrong with crawl, because the number of indexed items has dropped radically. Our environment has been migrated from SPS2003. Can "legacy leftovers from SPS2003" cause problems? Another question: How much do browser settings affect the search?

re: MOSS Search Word Stemming - Part 2 - Danish

Allan Pedersen — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:56:16 GMT

In response to the question by Keutmann. Yes stemming is supported on the danish language. I have it running in a solution.

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John — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:55:08 GMT

I cant believe there is no wild card search. I've been searching all over the place trying to get this functionality from trying Faceted search, wild card people search http://www.sharepointbuzz.com/index.php/2008/01/24/how-to-extend-wildcard-people-search-on-moss-2007/, Ontilica search, everything on codeplex.com and nothing really does what is needed. I just had a search engagement here with Microsoft and the consultant can't understand why MS did not include wildcard search either. Please give us this feature.

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james barker — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:55:22 GMT

This is absurd! I too am flabbergasted that such a BASIC search feature is not included by default! I am not going to sit here and write a custom web part for a feature that is included in *every* search engine in the world.

If Windows Desktop Search can do this, why the *hell* can't MOSS 2007? We are in the pilot stage for MOSS 2007 and if I have to code this by hand, then trust me, we will not be buying such a POS.

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Kevin Gauthier — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:32:42 GMT

Is it possible to highlight the word when using stemming. If I type in tutorial, the word tutorial will be highlighted but not in results where it's tutorials.

An answer would be appreciated. Thanks

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nick — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:37:53 GMT

quit whining about wildcard search

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Baris Bikmaz — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:27:06 GMT

Now I must say to our big customer, which is a huge financial intitution, that ms doesn't support wildcards. This is really really annoying.

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Shubham — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:31:07 GMT

I am running into an error when Stemming is enabled for German Language. Is Stemming supported for German?

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Neda — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:39:15 GMT

I was wondering is stemming and word breaker supported on the Persian(Farsi)language?

If the answer is no, is there a way to embed Persian Language stemmer into MOSS?

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