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/\/\o\/\/ — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:45:37 GMT

With the move to the new blog the "Did you Know" series did disapear.

Greetings /\/\o\/\/

PS I'm commenting this on the Old blog as comments seem to be disabled at the new one.

Unicode support

Cory — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:02:06 GMT

Will we ever get a Monad that doesn't run in cmd.exe? I want to be able to enter Unicode like Japanese.

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Morgan — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:28:10 GMT

From the release notes...

"Msh.exe" is now replaced with "PowerShell.exe"

WHY OH WHY?!?

Can't you use psh.exe instead?

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Morgan — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:30:21 GMT

Like Cory I am also interested in when it will be a seperate application and not a console based application. I understand this is planned but will it be like this for the final release? We are getting very close now we are at RC1 and I would like to see the console application be left behind replaced by its own interface so we can better utilise things such as unicode without the need for ugly escape sequences.

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Monad Team — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:33:14 GMT

> Can't you use psh.exe instead?
You can create your own shortcut psh.bat to call PowerShell.exe

Jeffrey Snover

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Morgan — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:38:55 GMT

>You can create your own shortcut psh.bat to call PowerShell.exe

Yes I could be on system that are not setup like that I will have to either type out powershell.exe or created psh.bat to call powershell.exe for me. That is rather annoying. The thing I like about cmd.exe is that it is consistent on every Windows machine, even the ones I have not setup.

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Monad Team — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:48:36 GMT

> Will we ever get a Monad that doesn't run in cmd.exe? I want to be able to enter Unicode like Japanese.
We don't plan to ship this in V1. I belive that Karl Prosser's MSHAnalyzer supports this. Check it out:
http://www.karlprosser.com/coder/?cat=8

Jeffrey Snover

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Monad Team — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:11:15 GMT

MoW -- looks like the series made it in there to me: http://blogs.msdn.com/powershell/archive/2006/04/25/583218.aspx

Lee

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DontBotherMeWithSpam — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:35:19 GMT

Happy Birthday, PowerShell! Congrats~ Powershell Team~

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Morgan — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:39:30 GMT

Well after playing around with it for a while... I LOVE IT!

What an awesome, awesome shell. It is so nice to use. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Now if you will just rename the exe to psh.exe all will be perfect ;)

PS Not bad if my only complaint is the name of the exe ;)

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Nektar — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:26:19 GMT

Please rename the executable to psh from powershell. The commandline should have short name and not long ones.
Also, when you say that the next wave of products will utilize it which wave are you talking about? Longhorn server? Or the wave after Longhorn server ie. the one coming around 2010 or there abouts. If so, then too late.

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Anon — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:44 GMT

Why won't it be included with Vista? Even if Vista admin uis are not integrated with it, why won't you include it in the os alongside all the other system tools. If you want Powershell to be a success then you should put it in Vista, otherwise tough luck. If you want to help admins then what better way than having this powerful shell with every default Windows installation. They will not needlessly have to install it on every computer.

Back on track!

Erno de Weerd — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:33:09 GMT

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Nick — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:43:02 GMT

I really agree with getting the EXE renamed to psh.exe. Having to type out 'powershell' is totally obnoxious after years of cmd and more recently msh. PLEASE change this. I consider it a bug (waste of typing)

It's embarassing enough that it's called PowerShell in the first place, but we can get over that in time :)

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Nick — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:01:28 GMT

Or perhaps more appropriately at this point in the game since powershell.exe is probably baked into too many things, you could add a second exe, psh.exe, whos sole purpose is to invoke powershell.exe with the same parameters... that seems like a non-breaking win for everyone's opinion. It just needs to come as part of the official install or it's not worth it.

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Mike — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:19:32 GMT

Shells time long passed. Now people are moving to graphical interfaces instead. It's called progress but Microsoft is having none of it. If this new and improved command.com came out 15 years ago it would have meant something. But now ? Who do you think has enough time and patience to work with a command line version of the graphical tools already available?

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Monad Team — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:59:13 GMT

> Shells time long passed.
I beg to differ with you my friend. There is a rebirth of CLI in progress. I point you to the DMTF SMASH work as an example.

In the end, we don't have to agree and there also isn't much of to disagree with either. No one is a bigger fan of GUIs that me. If fact the PowerShell team and the MMC team are now the same team.

PowerShell is architected to allow rich GUIs to be layered on top of it. We fully expect a good number of users to use the GUI exclusively - that is fine. We full expect many users to use the GUI and then want to automation that operation so they'll want the GUI to tell them what commands they should type (this is one of the key benefits of this layering). We also expect many users to primarily use the CLI and occassionaly use the GUI. Dude - there is no wrong answer here - it is all flavors of wonderful. The big change is that in the past, the CLI did not have parity with the GUI. We are fixing that. If you are content with the GUI - happy days all around.

Now all that said, I'll just point out one thing. GUIs by their nature, codify an experience. CLIs do so to a much lesser extent. If that experience is what you want - you're golden. If it isn't, you often don't have many choices. With a CLI, the entire point of it is that you can create exactly the experience you want and need. Yes that requires effort on your part because you have to think about what you want and then express it. With PowerShell, we are trying to make it very simple for you to express whatever experience you want as easily as possible so: You think it. You type it. You get it.

Enjoy!
Jeffrey Snover

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Thanateros — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:58 GMT

Seems to me that Microsoft's Marketing is starting to act the same way Digital's marketing folks did. They just don't get it. Does the product HAVE to have a cool sounding name? No. Make a product that works and we will use it regardless of the name. This also seems to me like someone thought that MSH was too much like UNIX Shell naming and we can't have that at Microsoft now can we...

What's in a name?

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andy — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:12:30 GMT

Sorry, but I found it to be quite sad to read the new name of such a GREAT product. At least rename PowerShell.exe to psh.exe, so it is a bit more hidden :) And from psh.exe we can say phish, fish or some other *fun* name. PowerShell is just as boring as "Microsoft Windows Power Player".

Once again, sorry. You should get as good marketers as you have designers for this product! The only correct thing the "marketers" did here was to recognize that Monad indeed kicks ass :)

Mike: People writing scripts and (probably the same) people who are tired of clicking themself to death loves CLI tools. Happily, as Jeffrey wrote above, psh gives us a foundation to provide both worlds. Monad/PowerShell is Janus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_%28mythology%29) .

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cbowers — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:08:32 GMT

To Jeff and the entire Monad team - thanks for such a fantastic commandline environment. I can't wait for the other teams @ MS to get with the program to the extent that the E12 guys have.

Great stuff!

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Tomislav — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:05:35 GMT

PowerShell is great. Do you have t-shirt with PowerShell moto like "You think it.You type it. You get it." - MS PowerShell.

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Ralph Elmerick — Fri, 05 May 2006 18:54:45 GMT

Now if only the link url's worked to get the RC1 code downloaded. I have been running Monad for months now.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=64772&clcid=0x409

Download link broken

SunChero — Fri, 05 May 2006 20:00:05 GMT

i dont know what isxcatly happening , but the link to download powershell or monad or whatever is no longer available , i hope microsoft is not going back away from powershell , and dropping the whole idea ... any info about the futur of powershell ??

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Wassim — Fri, 05 May 2006 20:06:09 GMT

Hi,
Thank you for reporting this issue. The product team is aware of this and is working hard and doing everything possible to fix this problem in a timely manner. We do apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused.

Wassim
[MSFT]

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morten — Sun, 07 May 2006 23:37:42 GMT

PowerShell (Monad) is great, but how can I intergrate all this functionality into my DotNet apps?

/Morten

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PowerShellTeam — Mon, 08 May 2006 00:21:49 GMT

> how can I intergrate all this functionality into my DotNet apps?

By linking the PowerShell DLLs into your app and calling the RunSpace APIs.
http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/cpref13/html/n_system_management_automation_runspaces.asp

http://blogs.msdn.com/monad/archive/2006/02/01/522546.aspx

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]
Windows PowerShell Architect

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Peter Monadjemi — Wed, 17 May 2006 00:34:34 GMT

PowerShell is a breakthrough technology and for many, many admins around world who never got full power with WSH and VBScript a dream comes trough.

I can't believe that some people here have time to complain about the naming (but it really should be psh.exe by the away)

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ricka — Thu, 18 May 2006 05:41:31 GMT

Happy days indeed. When the only thing we can complain about is the name :)

Why don't you just include a flag, or script so on first invocation you can
PowerShell /hl psh
(ie, create a hard link, or .bat or .cmd, however you want to). A much better approach than psh.exe calling PowerShell.exe
Now when I go to a new system, I'm only burdened with the arduous task of typing P O W E R S H E L L once.
--ricka

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