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Woe to ATI

For many years I have been pretty heavily involved in the gaming industry.  Through scores of beta tests, to assisting in the design of scalable systems for third generation MMORPGs to writing reviews and conducting interviews I’ve been in, out and around the industry since it became an industry.

 

Of course game graphics and system hardware have come a long way in a ridiculously short amount of time.  Who remembers when 3dfx graphics cards were all the rage?

 

In recent years the showdown on the graphics front is between nVidia and ATI.  Now nVidia has held the lead for quite some time and the weight of it has made them stagger at times.  ATI, ever the stalwart competitor has put up a good fight and come up with some very good products over the years.

 

Being a massive nerd, I love to build my own game systems.  During my last build I decided to take a shot on the latest and greatest ATI card.  I had previously only purchased nVidia products as I had felt they were marginally better in performance but mostly because I knew that game developers used them in their development machines.  But the RADEON 9800 Pro 256 was my choice at the time. 

 

A choice I have regretted every single day.

 

Since the day I booted my newly assembled behemoth containing all of the latest and greatest gaming hardware (for that millisecond) the 3D gaming quality on this Sapphire OEM has been deplorable.  Some games, the games that are more 2D based than 3D based had almost no problems, but every game that renders 3D objects has quality issues.  Every single game.  Now, simple model and texture games such as Zoo Tycoon 2 have the minor irritation of the occasional flashing texture.  Easy to overlook and ignore and in all likelihood ATI will release a driver update to relieve this issue even more.

 

But games with heavy 3D, like EverQuest 2, World of Warcraft, Doom 3, and Half-Life 2 have significant problems with bad textures, broken models, running text, ad nauseam.  And forget about Battlefield Vietnam, that’s just texture stew.

 

Sapphire tells me to talk to ATI, of course.  ATI has been stringing me along with “that should be fixed in driver update X” messages for months.  The store I bought it from wouldn’t take it back after the first 30 days (and who can blame them?  After 30 days a used graphics card is scrap silicon to a retailer).

 

I had taken the last 6 weeks off of my harassment campaign for support and decided to try it once again.  Just to see if I got any different kind of result.  Um, yeah.

 

In all the time I’ve been trying to resolve this problem with ATI, not one single time has anyone asked for a screenshot of the problem despite my offering to provide them every time.  In all this time not once was there ever a mention of simply replacing my defective card with a new one.  I paid almost $500 for it and you can now pick that same card up for about $250.  And I know it is simply my card that is defective.  I’ve borrowed the exact same card from a friend who bought his from the same place I did at the same time I did and his works just fine in my machine.  I’ve also tried an nVidia based card.  No problems.  Clearly I have a defective unit and you would think ATI could afford to replace it.

 

The last email I received from ATI suggested that I adjust my bios settings with things such as “Set your AGP support from 8X to 2X”, among others.

 

I made sure to reply: “Thank you for supporting nVidia.”

 

Will

Published Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:56 AM by mscomts

Comments

 

Sahil Malik said:

IMHO ATI has sucky software, but good hardware.
December 16, 2004 11:38 AM
 

Frans Bouma said:

I have an ATI radeon 9800 pro by sapphire (128MB) and the one thing that sux is the cooler. It's way too noisy. For the rest no problems, DOOM3 renders great, HL2 does too (only the hickups, but that's common to everybody).

Before that I had a Ti4600 Ultra, nvidia (and the cards before that too), but had problems with a lot of games.

I think it depends on the system I guess... ;)
December 16, 2004 12:08 PM
 

Shaun said:

My first card was a Hercules 3dfx, I think it had 4 megs. It was 400 dollars at the time and lasted me for a few years (Lots of Quake1!)

Since then, I have learned from experience that if a video card provider starts ignoring problems and putting off fixing, their days are numbered.

Sell of your ATI, get an nVidia.. ATI is going nowhere fast.

Shaun
December 16, 2004 1:17 PM
 

Alex said:

Sorry to hear you having troubles. Mine works like charmed.

Is your cooler working fine? Check the temprature inside the system, maybe your card is overheating.
December 16, 2004 1:25 PM
 

Sahil Malik said:

Frans,

I knocked the fan out on my ATI all in wonder, true the card gets hot as hell, but still keeps working - so I don't care. And when it does burn out, I will go buy an NVidia.

- Sahil
December 16, 2004 1:59 PM
 

Russ C said:

I'd heartily recommend the GeForce 6800GT - Great hardware, fantastic drivers.

ATI make good hardware, but imho their Software quality is woefull.

FWIW, It sounds like your 9800 has some bad RAM.
December 17, 2004 1:20 AM
 

Lonely Wolf said:

Well, to get str8 to the point I will use some faul language, but don't take it to heart, it's nothing personal:
First, what kind of idiot keeps a broken card for 30 days without going back to the retailer to get a replacement or send it back??? Instead you go ahead and email ATI and expect them to replace your card while it was built by Saphire??? If you're such a "massive" NEEEERD you should know that OEM parts are 30 days warrantied in the happiest cases. Also, you should know that ATI sells its chips to it's partners as OEM. They are pretested and each marked on what kind of PCB they can be put on: SE, LE, PRO, XT, you name it. Even more, since you're so so smart, you should have figured out that graphical corruption comes most likely from bad ram, and less likely from an overheating GPU. When the GPU is bad it won't work anymore, it quits. There are also other factors to consider, bad resistor on the PCB or a bad capacitor, but it's less likely. I think that you're whole story is fud against ATI. I've seen real bad Nvidia based cards, because Nvidia sells to anyone and their brother, not just to the partners listed on the web site. Guess what, no one complaint about it. We all know how NVidia does business, Intel style. "We are da best and da greates..." How about their buggy chipsets or the crappy FX series??? None of the FX cards could hold a candle against ATI, but heck, with every new release of an FX chip I've seen fake benchmarks. Then after the last one, the 5950 was released, I've compared it to a 9800 pro, 128MB, made by ATI, and the ATI card was whiping the floor with the 5950, in performance, stability and vissual quality. Hint: Havent seen squares in a game since software rendering, but heck, the 5950 was doing it. But I guess it's normal. And if you can afford the power bill, then go ahead and get a 6800GT, or even better, a 6800 Ultra. Real "cool" GPU's. I'm not an ATI fan boy, but heck, NVidia ain't that much better either. And no, I don't wanna remember the TNT series. NIGHTMARE!!! But I'm glad that you are a Techie and Betta tester and shit, and by the way, Happy New Year!
December 30, 2004 8:04 AM
 

Jeff Parker said:

Finally someone brining more attention to this. ATI has gone down hill so bad. Wait till your Windows OPEN GL screen savers cause your ati.drv file to go into infinite loops. Wait till next patch release from them brings 30 games down to fix the one your were having problems with. Then the Next release only 1 months later kills off any graphics apps you have. But hey the games come back up. Wait till the next patch where you have to completely reformat and reload windows. Then you just wait there will be another patch in a few days that will not recognize 8X AGP so now your back to 4X. Then when you finially buy the NVIDIA card and life is good again. Try uninstalling the ATI software.

I had this with the 9600, I see things haven't improved but I swore I will never ever buy another ATI card again. BTW If anyone has any good sources on how to get rid of the dang ATI software Since Uninstall doesn't work (Error can not find ATI Device Aborting Uninstall of software) Yeah cause I got rid of the device. I have left it on there still for over 2 years. Made usre none of it loads into memory but there are still ATI Files that turn up now and then.
January 5, 2005 2:02 PM
 

Red Fox said:

I have been a Loyal nVidia fan since i got a computer (geforce 2 booya!). But, after i built a new computer, i needed something better and stronger, so heck, i got a fx5600. and let me say, it was a bad mistake. that card was maybe...MAYBE one step up from the geforce 2 card i had. I even tested it using my brothers computer. he had a 900 mhz proc , 512 sd RAM and a geforce 4 ti4200. Now i have a 2.6 proc with 1 gig RAM using my card and his machine OUT DID MINE in Halo and his was even on a higher resolution! so anyway, after that i decided to join the ati family and i have not been dissapointed. I have thourougly enjoyed my radeon x800 pro. for example, what? you dont like the textures in battlefield vietnam? i can run that game full graphics and everything and STILL get 130 fps. yeah...riiiight...now say this card sux. and what about EverQuest 2? all nVidia cards have HORRIBLE studders in the game, but what about ati cards? nothing at all. so tell me, what is better now?
January 13, 2005 10:18 PM
 

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