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Hello World!

No, this isn't a new sample application, it is the first of (what I hope are) many blog posts by me, Chris Deluca.  I am the dev lead for the Subscriptions development team.  Our most recent release involved quite a few significant architectural changes and I've been closely following the blog posts.  I have also been wanting to create a more direct route of contact between you (my customers) and me, and figured that, with some of the recent feedback posts that have been critical of our new functionality, now was as good a time as any. 

 

My goal with these blog posts is to accomplish the following:

1.       Provide a more direct touch point between me (and my team) and you

2.       Solicit your feedback about our features through the use of quick to answer surveys

3.       Let you know about upcoming feature additions and changes to our existing functionality

 

My requests of you:

1.    Feel free to provide constructive criticism about any feature that is available on our web site or that I discuss as a part of this blog.  My definition of constructive criticism is that in addition to stating why you dislike the way something works, please provide what your suggestion would be to make it better.  For example, “…I don’t like the new navigation UI…” isn’t informative enough, whereas “…I don’t like the new navigation UI and would prefer a simple list of products arranged in an alphabetical order…” allows us to make note of an alternate navigation UI that we can take under consideration.

2.    Please let us know when you like something.  I realize most people are highly motivated to post comments when they get riled – we sure would like to know when we’ve done something right too!  :)

3.    Participate in our surveys early and often.  I plan to ask questions regularly and I would love your feedback.  On each survey, I plan to ask a couple questions that can be answered in just a minute or two – the more responses we get, the better!

 

So now on to a couple of quick responses to posts I’ve seen on the blog recently…

Q.

It wasn’t broken, so why did you “fix” it?

A.

The functionality of our web site could have been divided into two broad categories: The part of the web site that our team designed, coded and maintained and the part of the web site that was designed, coded and maintained by another team here at Microsoft (but not in our group).  This dual ownership caused issues – for example, whenever we wanted to make a change, no matter how minor, we were forced to queue up with all of the other work the other team was responsible for.   The other team did a good job over the last few years, but we wanted to innovate at a much quicker pace.  So, we embarked on a complete rewrite of the download UI functionality.  What we have delivered so far is just the beginning of the full feature set we plan to deliver in the coming months.  There were many features we had to cut to make our deployment dates, but we will be adding some of the cut features back in, as well as adding many new features we hope you will really enjoy.

 

 

Q.

Please, for all that is right and good in this universe, can’t you please bring back the old UI?

A.

In a word, no.  Our development platform is much different than the platform the other team utilized – ours is hosted on a completely virtual web site solution that also manages all of the content of the MSDN and TechNet web sites. The nice thing about the architectural changes is now that we own the entire code stack, we can make changes at a much faster pace as well as offering more features in the long run.

 

 

Q.

Ok, you won’t bring back the old site, but I’m really not crazy about the new navigational control – I especially hate flyouts!

A.

It is very clear that one navigational style doesn’t work for everyone.  Some people like to utilize search to find products, some people love tree-control navigation and some like simple lists – and some people do like flyouts.  Our plan is to offer several different types of navigation and allow you to choose one as your “preferred” navigational mechanism.  Using this approach, we think we can make just about everyone happy – as you’ll get to pick the one that meets your needs best.

 

Q.

Where did  all of the personalization features go?

A.

Personalization of the site was one of the features cut to make our delivery dates.  We will be adding personalization features back soon.

 

 

Q.

You really messed up the organization of the data.  I can’t find anything!

A.

This is one comment that surprises me.  I admit that once you get used to finding things in a particular location, figuring out the new location can be painful.  Our goal was to put downloads together in a much easier to find style.  Files for Vista – including all service packs – where are they?  They are all together (surprisingly enough) under Vista .  I want the SDK for Windows Server 2008 – where is it?  Right next to the actual Windows Server 2008 download.  I will be doing a survey shortly to probe this topic in more depth.

 

Well, I think that is all for now.   There are a lot of changes coming – I look forward to your feedback about all of them!

 

Sincerely,

Chris Deluca – Dev Lead of MSDN and TechNet Subscriptions

Published Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:56 PM by ChrisDeluca

Comments

 

Better Basketball » Hello World! said:

May 11, 2008 2:54 AM
 

Peter said:

Chris, Thanks for taking the time to post!

A couple of things that are really getting on my neve’s with the new system

- New Downloads.

After this was left out of the original release, we had a web page for a little while (worked well), now we have this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/subscriptions/downloads/cc526022.aspx

A few problems:

It only lists the last 10 items (Yes, RSS feed lists more but I'm not on machine that can use rss all the time)

It lists the product title only for the new release.  Eg "Windows XP Professional-Retail". Great, but doesn't actually tell you what's new, meaning you have no idea it’s actually SP3 overlays (which I think many of us for checking for on a daily basis). You click the link, only to be brought to the whole list of products for Windows XP (and it defaults to DVD media, so initially shows nothing). Then I have to look through all 61 listed products "Last Update" dates to work out what's new.

To quote your post "Please, for all that is right and good in this universe, can’t you please bring back the old What's New Section!"

The what’s new section problems are:

a) RSS Only (the web page is useless)

b) Doesn't show you what (apart from the product group) is actually new (unlike the old system)

c) Doesn't link you directly to the new release (unlike the old system)

d) Doesn’t show the release date on the web page. (again, unlike the old system)

I personally hate the new UI, it's hard to navigate the linked menus if I don't scroll the mouse perfectly sideways I'm back to the start again, speed of scrolling is a pain (scroll to the top and bottom of the servers group for example), filter types are all over the place..

BUT, I can live with this.

The new What's New I can't live with. It's useless. Like the old system, I want to be able to go a single place to see what's been released in the last few days since I lasted logged in (via a web page, NOT rss!). I want release dates and real descriptions of the new releases, not just the product group. Then, if it's something I want, a single click to take me to download it. Not to a product group page with 61 entries (after I de-select DVD so at least something shows up) to have to find the new item myself.

And a final thing, you totally changed the XML format for the product keys xml export! I was wondering why my automated build processes kept failing for the team.

Change can be good, change for change sake isn’t.

These changes have made using MSDN much, much harder. I’m wasting time messing around with MSDN rather than doing what I’m supposed to be doing.

May 11, 2008 7:58 AM
 

ChrisDeluca said:

Peter: Thank you very much for your comments.  A couple of responses:

1. We are working on a fix for DVD being the default when there are no files for that domain element.  I’ll let you know when that is available.

2. We can’t bring back the old “what’s new” page, but we can sure develop one that has all the features of the old one and more.  You made several great suggestions and I’ve logged them in my “wish list”.  Specifically:

 a. Make sure the “What’s new” is done in a web page format in addition to an RSS version

 b. Have the details include more granular data (getting down to what we call “edition” data, date posted, etc)

 c. Include the ability to invoke the download directly

Thanks again for taking the time to post – I really value your feedback.

May 11, 2008 4:01 PM
 

Taylor said:

Chris- Can you not post your blog entries in blue typeface anymore? It's eye-straining.

 [Chris responds: Black it is...]

May 12, 2008 1:44 AM
 

James Hippolite said:

Hi, great idea, getting direct feedback like this.

I can live with your new UI, no problems, except the Top Subscriber Downloads.  Whatever it is that's different from your normal Downloads page, TSD won't get through my corporate firewall.  Any suggestions?  I think its the Akamai Downloads Manager, which just returns an unhelpful Error, with no further description.

[Chris responds: I've contacted Akamai for troubleshooting steps that we can use to track down your issue.  Please contact me privately with your contact information].

May 12, 2008 8:19 PM
 

dink said:

Are you going to bring back the descriptions?

I dont use every single piece of software or platform regularly, but when I want to try something new it would be nice to be able to see information on the product without having to do an exhaustive search on the title just to see what the heck it is :)

Also, please please please bring back the treeview...the flyout is annoying, unusable and frankly an old design technique that most web designers/developers abandoned a long time ago because it causes more frustration than functionality.

- Dink

[Chris responds: Some of our products do have descriptions (see the results of a search for Vista).  The people that manage our content will be adding more and more descriptions over time.]

May 13, 2008 5:52 PM
 

Blake Coverett said:

Hopefully they are unrelated - but have the software changes caused delays

in content being posted?  I don't see any sign of the Expression 2 releases

from a couple weeks ago yet.

[Chris responds: There have been no delays in content being posted (a bunch of Office files were posted today) due to the new system.  I did notice the Expression 2 products were in our "Top Subscriber Downloads" control (located here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/default.aspx) so you can get to them right away.  I'll follow up with others on the team to find out why they aren't in the regular download area.]

May 13, 2008 8:46 PM
 

Blake Coverett said:

Thanks for the timely response, Chris.    I hadn't noticed the downloads there

(as the actual bits are available from the Expression team's site already) but without

them being in regular download area we don't get keys.

[Chris responds: I'm told they are on the way - but no dates as of yet.]

May 14, 2008 3:17 AM
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