Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

re: Adobe is the next Microsoft.

Rosyna — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:10:00 GMT

Does flash not work on cell phones, Mac OS X, Linux, the Playstation 3, the PSP, and a bunch of other devices/platforms? The .NET 3.0 (well, 2.0) runtime won't even run on any platform but Windows (the CLR is no longer available for Mac OS X).

Granted, the embedded versions of flash are rather light, but future versions of embedded Flash should add more of the much more used features (people have got to be able to watch YouTube porn on their PSP).

What's freakin amazing is the coverage Adobe/Macromedia has received with Flash without having to open source any of their code.

I wonder, is there a flash plugin written in Java? That'd be neat for embedded platforms.

re: Adobe is the next Microsoft.

scbarnes — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:07:48 GMT

Yeah, you're talking about Flash Lite and thats a whole seperate development environment unto itself. It requires various tricks to build with and Mobile devices vs Client top devices is a whole seperate discussion.

It would be ideal to export existing Flash code base into Flash Lite but it just isn't happening as yet. Not to mention that Windows in the mobile device arena is pretty much there (ie hard to buy a smart phone these days without windows on it).

I have a preference for Flash Lite but it also requires that Telcos get on board with it, and from memory - need to recheck this - ThreeMobile in Australia is probably the only one that I know of that embraces it.

I'll need to ask Dale Rankine some more about this as he's the only local Flash Lite mobile guy I know of - yet - I know plenty of other Mobile developers in the java/windows space :)

Think you get my point.

re: Adobe is the next Microsoft.

nhodge — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:41:15 GMT

This post is right on the mark.

Melding in the history of Frame, Accelio, Macromedia into Adobe one gets the impression is that "Enterprise is all that matters" -- Photoshop, Flash and the Creative Suite sells itself.

Adobe has aligned itself with the Java/SAP/IBM end of the world and finding that it is in heavy co-opetion with them all.

As a web-bound guy - I am wondering what the future for all these little RIAs actually are, and if RIA is just a life 2.0 for a web 1.0 marketing term invented at Macromedia. Is there a web life outside of the browser for small companies? Can you trust the security of the base 1.0 Apollo platform?

Anyways, interesting post.

Nick, Professional Geek, Microsoft

re: Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

John Dowdell — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:35:11 GMT

<em>"Is there a flash plugin written in Java?"</em>

Not anymore. Used to be one for desktop Java, but Flash abilities outstripped it. We'd have to use a sub-FlashLite profile to get into J2ME today.

Scott's right that there's a difference going from a fullsized desktop computer down to a little pocket mobile... it's not like you're trying to bridge two operating systems, or two browsers or something.

jd/adobe

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Actionscript Hero — Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:14:42 GMT

Interesting discussion here....

re: Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

Chad — Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:58:05 GMT

What does "being locked inside a platform specific player is only helping that notion forward" mean? Flash runs on Mac, Windows, Linux, CellPhones, Nintendo Wiis, on and on... These Ajax/.Net/Flash arguments where Flash is always called the "proprietary" one make me scratch my head. With AJAX, you're limited to the browser, with .Net you are pretty much limited to windows, with Flash platform, your only limitation is the player, which is free.

re: Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

Joe Rinehart — Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:37:02 GMT

>Can you trust the security of the base 1.0 Apollo platform?

Given the track record of Macromedia's Flash Player engineers vs. the Microsoft development teams, I'd trust it a hell of a lot more that Vista, recent IE releases, or that WPF/E/alphabet soup thing...

re: Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

scbarnes — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:17:54 GMT

Hi Joe,

How so? could you expand on some details (ie qualify it a bit more so that I can get a better perspective on your points).

I'd also like to throw it out there that Flash Player would have a specific security context goal - where as Apollo may have a broader access, in saying this has the Flash Player engineers actually worked on Apollo or is this just assumed?

re: Adobe wants to be the next Microsoft.

Teju — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:30:31 GMT

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