http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspxThe original taskbar didn't look at all like what you see today. It defaulted to the top of the screen.en-USCommunityServer 2.1 SP1 (Build: 61025.2)http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54897Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:26:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54897domheh, I have for a long time docked my taskbar to the top. A co-worker noticed this and had a bit of a fit: I pointed out that it was entirely logical; at least then the Start menu drops DOWN like all other menus, instead of UP! Our boss resolved the issue by proclaiming, "Never trust anybody who docks their taskbar at the top." Now I dock it on the left, it's far more efficient in screen real-estate when lots of apps are open. http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54898Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:12:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54898Dewayne Christensen>...apps still mess up...and keep sliding under... Can you say IL DASM? http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54899Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:30:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54899John Cavnar-JohnsonI recently switched to docking my taskbar at the top. There are sooo many apps that misbehave (ehem, even Microsoft apps). I've gotten really good at Alt-spacebar, down arrow, down arrow...http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54900Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:32:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54900DavidKDoes XP force apps to behave better with a top-docked taskbar? I was worried one of the apps I wrote would fall into the trap, but it behaves fine under XP; I haven't tested it under anything else yet. http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54901Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:36:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54901DavidKAh, good for me, I AM using SetWindowPlacement :)http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54902Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:50:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54902runtimeIf bad apps drew themselves at (0,0), then why not move the coordinate system? Have (0,0) began the the lower left corner of the taskbar. So logical coordinate (0,0) would be drawn at physical pixel (0,20) or whatever. Since no app should draw using negative "off screen" coordinates, they would not be allowed to draw over the taskbar. But Fitt's Law tells us that having the taskbar at the top would still be a bad idea because the app menu bars would not be at the edge of the screen (where they can easily be clicked). Of course, I just glanced at the top of my Windows XP desktop and see that the File menu is still not at the top of the screen because of the enormous window title bar. :-( http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54903Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:25:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54903Raymond ChenChanging the coordinate system would have broken soooo many apps: Any app that wanted to cover the entire screen (screensavers, games, PowerPoint) would end up leaving the taskbar exposed.http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54904Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:31:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54904Ryan EiblingI've docked my taskbar at the top for years, and I don't know if it has anything to do with Windows XP but very few apps slide under it anymore. Aside from some example code from the 'net, the only app I can remember doing it in the past year or two was Mame.http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54905Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:40:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54905dmitriwhat a load of hogwash, the reason it's on the bottom is so MS can point to one more thing that makes Windows different from the MacOS. and it worked, it helped them in their court cases. don't try to re-write history Raymond. i can't believe no else has made this comment yet. http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#54906Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:57:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:54906Aaron LawrenceI find it quite amusing that "it was less work to add a button-look to the tab control than it was to rewrite all the switching code". This is virtually the very definition of "hacking" over doing development properly - instead of changing your code to use the correct API (buttons), you hack into the API (tab control) and force it into an entirely alien "button" concept. Yes yes I know that sometimes you do hacks to get quick results, but this is the company with (even then) almost unlimited resources to do things right, and who obviously never minded letting things slip. Cheers http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#88120Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:04:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:88120matthewthere is a piece of shareware called shove-it that will solve this problemhttp://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#160031Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:48:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:160031Raymond ChenCommenting on this article has been closed.http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/12/54896.aspx#175287Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:02:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:175287The Old New ThingGetWindowPlacement.