Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

davidacoder — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:07:38 GMT

Are you joking?!? Why so late? Will there be any version till then that can be installed on the RTM build?

I don't understand the decision to give up the one MSI installer for all platforms. The only thing you got from going to the Vista installer seems to be this incredibly long delay of the Vista version...

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

somebody — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:49:54 GMT

Whats would be the point of releasing it now?

Aside from SA customers/MSDN, there's no general availability of Vista until the end of January anyway.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

someone else — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:28:58 GMT

Powershell has a huge audience in it's MSDN and SA customer base!! How many home users do you really think are going to be hammering away at powershell anyway?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Chyld — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:36:04 GMT

So what's the difference between the Vista and XP/Server release of PowerShell? Is it just the installer? Why does it take 2 more months?

Windows PowerShell for Windows Vista not due until January 31, 2007

Rod Trent at myITforum.com — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:27:09 GMT

Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Jason H — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:23:26 GMT

It does seem crazy that there is such a delay between platforms (XP and Vista)

I would be interested to hear the reasons for this, Im guessing around security (UAC) mostly?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

PowerShellTeam — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:39:17 GMT

> So what's the difference between the Vista and XP/Server release of PowerShell? Is it just the installer? Why does it take 2 more months?

Yes - the only difference is the installer.

Being an official Windows component means you use the official windows installation technology and on Vista that is the new CBS technology. There is exactly one team in the world that can build this and that team has been a tad busy (While I sometimes think that PowerShell is more important that Vista - I just can't seem to ever convince other people of that. :-) ).

PowerShell is the world's first Vista OutOfBand release. There are a few pain points that come with that honor. Nothing serious but there are just some things that are different and need a bit of time to work out. They are a great team and are doing great work, they just need a bit of time.

Cheers!

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Windows PowerShell/MMC Architect

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re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Chyld — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:07:48 GMT

Thanks Jeffrey for the post. I've been a bit rough on PowerShell lately due to it not being available on Vista, but I will say that it is an awesome environment/language/cure-for-cancer/etc and I can't wait till I get to play with the final bits on Vista. Thanks for making this possible!

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

HaDAk — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:36:10 GMT

You kick ass for finally letting me use my linux commands in my command prompt. If nothing else, that's about all i'll use it for. I tend to default to things like ls, and cd ~

Thanks :)

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Christopher Luce — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:10:37 GMT

Why not release a Powershell RC with an msi installer for Vista? This new installer technology is not instilling alot of confidence if it takes a special team two months to create an installer. Why can't we get PowerShell out there for Vista and build enthusiasm, instead of frustration?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

davidacoder — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:02:04 GMT

But can you share with us what you actually gain by using the CBS installer? If it is only the honor of being a Vista OutOfBand release it seems a terrible deal. Is there any advantage of using this installer over MSI?!? I still have to learn of any reason to use it that actually makes sense... What do you gain, other than a two month delay and a dependency on an obviously overworked team?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

svein — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:35:23 GMT

What is CBS? Something like Windows Installer or a replacement!?

Windows PowerShell 1.0 Released!

Adventures in SPWonderland — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:24:13 GMT

Vista用PowerShell 1.0のリリースは1月31日？

望月宏一のつぶやき — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:37:57 GMT

だという旨の投稿が、MSDN の PowerShell Team Blog にされています。面白いのは、それに対する非難ごうごうの嵐がコメントの書き込みに集中していることです。そんなに中身が違うはずがないだろ、何でこんなにタイムラグが発生するんぢゃぁ、というわけ。いちおう、インストーラの正式リリースを待っているとか何とかいう言訳の返答がされていますが、あまり説得力なし。

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Dave F — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:28:56 GMT

Does PowerShell come with a GUI? I have trouble remembering the commands.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Marty — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:05:54 GMT

http://www.powershellanalyzer.com/

http://powershell.com/

http://www.primalscript.com/ftr-powershell.asp

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

someone — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:07:48 GMT

PLEASE DO SOMETHING LIKE AUTOMATOR (MAC) OR AUTOMISE (NOT AUTOMIZE) (WINDOWS).

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

dave — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:25:13 GMT

wow, this is unfortunate, because now all the SA's I know have to choose between Vista and PowerShell for their primary workstation. They're installing PowerShell rtm and they are all going to install vista rtm in the next week. Seems like really poor timing. If possible someone should just hack the installer to work on rtm.

Vista向けPowerShellは2007/01/31?

中の技術日誌ブログ — Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:19:58 GMT

Vista向けPowerShellは2007/01/31?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Dan McKinley — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:00:31 GMT

This seriously infuriates me to no end--cut the bureaucratic nonsense, the right thing for your core customers is to have someone spend a day building an MSI. I guess you can take this as a compliment, your product is awesome.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

LJ — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:25:35 GMT

I bet he has little ability to cut the bureaucracy. I bet he has little ability even to voice frustration. I came from a huge enterprise where they had ONE guy working on a business criticial component and who was left with not out of personal preference the entire know-how on how it worked.

He was worked around the clock, and if he went on holiday there was total panic, yet his manager kept being mean to him.

Customers outside the company were also upset with the company and they voiced their concerns to him, who was told by the managers to fix it. When the customers wrote outside of him and to the managers the managers brougth it to him, unread, and told him to fix it.

I quit before that went more into heck than it was going. ;)

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Marc — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:53 GMT

What a poor choice to make...

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

ML — Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:55:41 GMT

What about an unofficial, unsupported workaround to get PowerShell installed on Vista?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

John — Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:42:54 GMT

Please, a workaround to install on RTM. How the heck am I supposed to learn this stuff with no way to intall the even a beta build!

Manual Installation

Jon Davis — Sat, 25 Nov 2006 03:19:53 GMT

Got PS RTM installed on Vista RTM manually. NOT SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT!! but seems to be running nonetheless.

http://stimpy77.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FE05918FD4D775C5!296.entry

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Todd — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:22:57 GMT

The fact that this team can't release a finished product simply because they are waiting for another team within MS is competitors are being seen as being more innovative than MS.

For example, Google would just release it as beta and once they know that it works, they would release it officially - and it works - the public perception is that Google is far ahead in web apps. and innovation.

Microsoft has programs in place to help partners have applications ready at Vista *launch* - which is very close for corporations.

Yet, MS itself can't release and *already finished* product because of a simple installer issue.

Sorry - but this is unacceptable, period. No excuses, no bullshit... the process is flawed.

Microsoft is a great company, PowerShell absolutely rocks, but this slowness, this bureaucracy must end. MS needs to become much more nimble. Fast. Quick to market.

Microsoft tells its partners to have products ready for Vista launch, but can't pull the same feat off itself. Same with Virtual PC 2007. Should have been ready by now.

MS complains that there is a lack of finalized drivers for Vista - even though MS has provided the hardware manufacturers beta after beta of Vista so that they could be ready for launch.

Again, MS can't even deliver smaller products *already* finished until 2+ months after RTM.

Sorry, I'm not going to apologize or excuse this. Microsoft needs to fix these problems or it will be known as the next slow, stodgy IBM stuck in mud and slow as molasses.

Vista FTW

PowerShell FTW

Microsoft - Get your act together.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Hemant — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:27:27 GMT

Very disappointing decision by Microsoft to delay release of PowerShell for Vista until JANUARY.

I sincerely hope Microsoft reconsiders and releases PowerShell for Vista as an MSI package very quickly

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

HemantKPatel — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:37:29 GMT

This is very disappointing ...

I sincerely hope Microsoft reconsiders and releases PowerShell for Vista as an MSI package soon.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Dan McKinley — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:53:51 GMT

I just followed the hack given above, and got it working on Vista in under ten minutes. Thanks, Jon Davis, whoever you are.

I could very easily put together an MSI for this in an hour or two, but presumably I would be in some kind of trouble if I did that. Why can't Microsoft do this in less than two and a half months? Utterly ridiculous.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Mike Stefanik — Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:29:43 GMT

>> Whats would be the point of releasing it now? Aside from SA customers/MSDN, there's no general availability of Vista until the end of January anyway.

The point is that a significant number of professional developers for the Windows platform are also MSDN subscribers. The whole idea is to get technology to us first so that we can roll out updates when the "official" release hits the streets in January.

I have to say, it amazes me that they roll out an operating system that has issues with their premier development tools (Visual Studio 2005), they can't get installers built for technology that they're evangelizing, and all the rest (not to mention that PowerShell was originally supposed to be part of Vista).

Ah well, not much we can do but sit back and wait.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Jeremy Pack — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:49:26 GMT

I'm adding another vote against this madness.

Why not release RC1 or BetaN of Powershell for Vista as an MSI and everybody would be happy.-

Dearest Microsoft this is madness and you are disappearing up you own ****-****, you have 30,000 mouths to feed in Redmond along and the computing industry has a habit of leaving for dead those that take their eye off the ball.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Alejandro Bonilla — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:38:51 GMT

Hi, Please print these comments to your "Boss" and tell him we want the feature now. The RTM is out and there is people that would like to use it. It was out for RC1, why not the RTM? I consider it one more feature for compulsive buyers to go into the shelf and buy the product. _Stop_ the marketing thing and release this feature to us now.

Seriously consider it.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Joe O'Sullivan — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:27:34 GMT

What I would also like to see is more information on "the new CBS technology" please someon post me a link for it. I would like to see what more it offers for the extra two months work

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

PowerShellTeam — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:26:37 GMT

> What I would also like to see is more information on "the new CBS technology" please someon post me a link for it.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa905119.aspx

Be forewarned that they don't use the term CBS and that they are talking about the full set of Installation/Migration technologies but this is the best link I can find.

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Windows PowerShell/MMC Architect

Visit the Windows PowerShell Team blog at: http://blogs.msdn.com/PowerShell

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re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Janssen Jones — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:02:12 GMT

Jeffrey,

I just wanted to say that I saw you at TechEd, and I thought that your presentation was the best of the week. I think this product will revolutionize Windows administration, and can't thank you enough for all the work you've done. That being said, I've had Vista as my primary OS since Beta 2, and have had to resort to running Powershell out of a VM. I'm sure your hands are probably tied, and you've shown considerable patience in this onslaught of public outrage (I've posted outrage on different threads myself). I know it's not your fault, and I hope you don't lose any sleep over the horribly mismanaged installer fiasco. Keep up the good work!

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

PowerShellTeam — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 04:47:04 GMT

Thanks for your kind words Janssen! The whole team feels bad about the lag in Vista support which is why we are working hard to get it done.

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Windows PowerShell/Aspen Architect

Visit the Windows PowerShell Team blog at: http://blogs.msdn.com/PowerShell

Visit the Windows PowerShell ScriptCenter at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Thomas Lee — Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:42:38 GMT

I fully understand why MS has to delay PowerShell on Vista. It's regrettable, but understandable.

In the meantime, you can run PowerShell on Vista. It's not supported, but it works just fine here. I've been using the hack for over a week and am not having any issues.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Markus — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:11:33 GMT

Have you got an update on availability for Vista?

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

James Willmott — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:55:37 GMT

Well I've justed watched Bill Gates keynote at the Microsoft Vista launch event in New York... The kids pressed the button - Vista Ulimate Extras appeared, but no PowerShell :-(

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

BrentRockwood — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:47:32 GMT

One would have expected it today, but if you read the fine print in the original post, it's actually scheduled for tomorrow.

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

PowerShellTeam — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:39:53 GMT

As Jeffery promised to you folks, today we have offically released Windows PowerShell 1.0 for Microsoft Windows Vista. Thanks to everyone for patiently waiting for this release.

http://blogs.msdn.com/powershell/archive/2007/01/29/windows-powershell-1-0-for-windows-vista.aspx

Enjoy Windows Vista and Windows PowerShell

Hemant Mahawar [MSFT]

Program Manager

Windows PowerShell

re: Windows PowerShell & Windows Vista

Chris G — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:56:28 GMT

Powerfull tool, maybe to powerfull? (being a free download) Great functionality, Usablility could be better in some cases for instance, try finding the correct WMI class in this command

gwmi -list

Keep up the great work!

-regards,

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