How Microsoft Works

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Request PowerShell IDE in Visual Studio

Greg — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:21:37 GMT

Having formerly been into heavy command interpreter scripting on Unix and DEC VAX, can we get a decent bare bones IDE for PowerShell in Visual Studio? Visual Studio is preferred over a third party tool because Microsoft's support is much better.

Better generic shell capabilities.

Brendan — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:26:05 GMT

While I truly like the tight integration with the CLR, I still feel this is more like a programmer's shell (i.e.: python's shell, ipython, boo, or irb). For me, it's just not suitable for day-to-day use.

If that's intentional, OK, but when can I have a usable (vis-a-vis UNIX/Linux's zsh) day-to-day shell in Windows? Will Powershell move in this direction or will cmd be enhanced? Or nothing?

Don't get me wrong, I like Powershell, I just can't be as efficient without a shell that feels more like zsh, bash, fish, or any of the other excellent UNIX shells, with full job control, etc.

re: How Microsoft Works

PowerShellTeam — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:29:04 GMT

We are striving to deliver a single technology which provides a great end-user interactive shell through simple/sophisticated scripting and even systems programming.

Some people don't believe that this is possible.

I disagree.

Currently I think we do a good job in the middle and need to improve both the beginner and the advanced user experiences. This is a lot of what you'll see in the next version.

Cheers!

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Windows Management Partner Architect

Visit the Windows PowerShell Team blog at: http://blogs.msdn.com/PowerShell

Visit the Windows PowerShell ScriptCenter at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx

re: How Microsoft Works

Stephen — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:14:56 GMT

Maybe everyone at Microsoft should work slightly less hard and think more. Or maybe Microsoft should spend a lot less on R&D - Apple's doing fine on a lot less.

But in spite of my snide remarks, I like Powershell - good job.

re: How Microsoft Works

Luke Breuer — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:54:52 GMT

I will have to say, it was disappointing that you released such a great v1 with a host window that is no better than cmd.exe:

- width is not resizable except via annoying dialog

- copying an invocation that goes onto multiple lines is tedious, because you can only block-copy

- no clipboard cmdlets (the PS community extensions have them, but this is kind of core functionality, I would think)

- no Unicode support in the shell window

I get that PS can be hosted in different places, but I still think it would have behooved you to include a host at least slightly better than the cmd.exe shell. Could you provide some enlightenment here? Would it really have required that much developer time to do this? (Compared to the impact upon the community.)

I know you have the ISE for v2 and I hope it kicks ass so that I and others can forget the host for v1.

re: How Microsoft Works

PowerShellTeam — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:28:09 GMT

@luke - I hear you.

I think you'll like the V2 ISE (you should get it soon). That said, I think that 3rd parties are going to be the best providers of hosts for the forseeable future. If you haven't checked them out you should - they are wonderful!

jps