Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Bill Young — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:27:24 GMT

This means if I have TS CALs 2003, I needn't buy new TS CALs for Windows Server 2008?

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

SAGAR — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:53:47 GMT

I m inpressed.

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re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Rob Leitman [MSFT] — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:31:36 GMT

@Bill Young:

Win 2008 TSs need Win2008 TS CALs. If you only have Win2003 TSs, you only need Win2003 TS CALs.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:04:38 GMT

@Bill Young:

No,

If you have TS CALs for Windows Server 2003, you need to buy new CALs for Windows Server 2008.

This post just describes the steps you need to follow if you want to migrate the 2003 License server from one machine to another.

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anurag — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:00:03 GMT

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re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Mohan M — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:10:11 GMT

Can we migrate 11 cals from one Terminal Licensing server (source) to another Terminal Licensing server(target) if we had imported a pack of 30 cals on the Source Terminal Licensing server earlier?

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Rohini Kumar Barla — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:29:37 GMT

@Mohan M:

The migration behaviour depends upon the OS Version of License Server(LS). If you have win2k3 or Win2k8 LS then it is not possible.

If I understand your question correctly, you are asking for the following:

- You have installed 30 CALs (From one License Key Pack) on source LS.

- Now, you want to migrate 11 CALs out of those 30 CALs on to a target LS.

Partial Migration is not allowed using the “Manage RDS CALs Wizard”.

In Windows Server 2008 R2 you can do a partial migration manually (using WMI interface) if the following conditions are true:

- Both source LS and target LS are of Windows Server 2008 R2 version.

- Volume agreement (non-retail) is used for installation and migration.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Peter Till — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:58:40 GMT

Can you migrate to a 2008 Server for the licensing of your Server 2003 Terminal servers?

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Silvia Doomra — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:25:12 GMT

Yes, you can follow the same steps mentioned in the Blog.

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Potential for TS Lics Errors & Discovery of New Lics Server — Thu, 14 May 2009 01:20:30 GMT

These are essentially a couple of questions about risk:

I'm concerned about users getting a TS Licensing error during the migration process. Is this a valid concern? I.E During the period of time when neither server is licensed, what will happen to users who connect?

Under license server discovery, we have the old server name specified. I see that if the prefered server is not located, the server will attempt automatic discovery. Will this find the new server? I plan to run the .reg file on all servers to remove the old and add the new but concerned about the time it takes to push that .reg out to all servers.

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Saikat De — Thu, 14 May 2009 14:37:43 GMT

(1) If the user does not have a CAL & it connects during the period of migration, connection will be denied.

(2) If auto discovery is enabled (by default), it should find the new server, else not.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2000 TS License Server

tswong — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:19:19 GMT

I have a windows 2000 DC and is an AD.

I have install Terminal Licensing Server on my AD.

I had added with 10 Terminal Server Cal 2003 (open license purchase) onto my Windows 2000 AD.

We had migrated the old W2k AD to W2k8 AD.

I already install the TS License server in W2k8.

After running the setup wizard, and activated the TS, the screen prompt me to enter Licese code? what is that?

I need to ask how to transfer my TS CAL from w2k to w2k8 TS License server?

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:14:24 GMT

You need to call the Clearinghouse and follow the steps mentioned in the blog.

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Mike — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:16:51 GMT

If I have 2003 TS and I migrate to 2008 TS, will I need to install a Windows 2008 LS and buy all new TS 2008 licenses?

Thanks,

Mike

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Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:54:09 GMT

Yes,

To access Win2k8 TS, you need to have Win2k8 TS CAL . As you cannot install Win2k8 CAL on Win2k3 LS so you need to have a Win2k8 or Win2k8 R2 LS for the same.

Thanks

Silvia

Uninstalling TS CALs from TS Licensing server?

Johnmen — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:46:56 GMT

Hi there,

Is that possbile to uninstall / remove the TS CALs that are already installed on TS licensing server? Both TS CAL and icensing server are Windows 2008.

Thanks!

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Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:05:41 GMT

Yes,

You can either contact Clearinghouse for the same or use APIs:

uint32 UninstallLicenseKeyPack( [in] uint32 ProductVersion,

[in] uint32 ProductType,

[in] uint32 LicenseCount);

uint32 RemoveLicensesWithIdCount( [in] uint32 KeyPackId,

[in] uint32 LicenseCount);

Hope that helps!

Silvia

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Alex — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:24:57 GMT

Does this migration apply to windows server 2000 to windows server 2003. Is there anything to watch out for since they are not the same OS.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:31:48 GMT

No, with all the pre-requisites mentioned in the post, just call the clearinghouse. They will guide you through the process.

Thanks

Silvia

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Leizer — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:28:08 GMT

Hi, as I had been reading, if you want to migrate the licenses from one server to another on, the OS should be the same, is that right?

Right now I see at the "Terminal Services Licensing" console that we have unlimited licenses in the old server that has windows 2000 and I would like to move them to another server but it has windows 2003. Can I do that following the steps in this blog or I need to buy new licenses or what I should do?

Thanks in advance,

Leizer.-

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Graeme — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:55:32 GMT

Can you clarify what paperwork is being referred to in Step 3, #3b... "Paper work for the original TS licenses".

I need to migrate our TS CALs, but the existing CALs were purchased before I joined the company and I haven't had luck tracking down any paperwork.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:58:19 GMT

@Leizer: Yes you can follow the steps mentioned in the post to solve your issue.

You need to buy the new CALs only in case if you are upgrading your terminal servers also. For accessing Windows Server 2003 terminal server you need Windows Server 2003 TS CALs.

Else you are good to go:).

Hope that helps!

Thanks

Silvia

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Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:02:10 GMT

@Graeme : Here paper work refers to all the details of the CAL Pack like agreement number, type of CAL Pack etc.

Thanks

Silvia

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JB — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:58:10 GMT

I can not locate the original TS Call paper work mentioned in step 3.b.

I have installed a new Windows 2003 server that will also run licensing. How do I migrate to TS Cals to this server?

The older licensing server is still working but we want to migrate to to newer server.

Any help is appriciated.

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:52:12 GMT

Do you have the license key pack IDs of the installed licenses?

Thanks

Silvia

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

jessica — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:51:11 GMT

Hi,

I'm confused. On step 1 #1, it says "setup the VM guest as a Windows 2003 TS license server".

Should it be "Setup a Windows 2008 R2 as a license server?"

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:51:41 GMT

@Jessica: Yes, your right. It should be: "setup a machine running Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows Server 2008 as a license server".

Thanks for pointing out. I will get that fixed.

Silvia

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Phil — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:54:21 GMT

i have a Win2K3 licensing server with 50 2K3 TS CALs installed. We have purchased a Win2K8 server to replace the 2003. Do i purchase new 2K8 CALs or do the steps above apply in this scenario?

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:05:11 GMT

If your plannig to replace you TS also with Windows Server 2008 then definately you need to buy Windows Server 2008 TS CALs.

Thanks

Silvia

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marc — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:50:29 GMT

Can a client with a 2008 TS device-CAL connect to a W2K3 TS server ?

More precisely : If I have now 100 TSCALS for 2003 with software assurance, and I install a 2008 TS (RD) license server and I upgrade the 2003 TSCALs to 2008 TSCALs can my clients connect to both 2003 and 2008 Terminal Servers ? Or should I have now suddenly 200 Cals ? And within a year if all 2003 servers are phased out, again 100 CALS ?

Kind regards,

Marc

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termserv — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:05:30 GMT

Yes, a device with a Win2008 TS CAL can connect to a Win2003 or Win2008 TS. No need for two sets of CALs.

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richard — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:37:02 GMT

Hi Silvia,

Nice explanation. I joined a company with a TS 2003 Server. If I go to Start | Administrative Tools | Terminal Server Licensing the only thing I see is the built-in Windows 2000 Server TS CAL token which has unlimited licenses. I don't see any other info.

We do have 2003 TS CAL for all our users (original paperwork from the reseller) but I don't see any of this CAL activated. Curiously there has been no issues or complains from the TS Server and there are no temp licenses issued either.

Will you have an idea as to what might be happening? I want to be legal and I don't want any problems.

I noticed this now because we are upgrading hardware (we will keep 2003 TS) and I fear I will run into trouble.

Thanks,

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Silvia Doomra [MSFT] — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:30:07 GMT

Hi Richard,

The reason your getting only the Built-in CALs is that you haven't instlled the CAL Packs yet for which you have the paper work. What is the licensing mode set on the Terminal Server? I guess you have set the mode to 'Per User'. As Per User is not enforced in Windows Server 2003 you are neither getting any error nor connectio denial.

You nede to change the TS Licensing mode to 'Per Device' and install the appropriate CAL Packs on the license server.

Hope that helps!

Thanks

Silvia

re: Migrating a Windows Server 2003 TS License Server

Patrick Rouse — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:51:59 GMT

I agree with Silvia on the reasoning for what you are seeing, but switching to Per-Device licensing is neither recommended nor required, unless it makes sense for your business. Make sure you're apropriately licensed, then decide which mode works best for your business (per-device or per-user. As Silvia stated, per-user terminal server licensing is not inforced, but that is not a good reason to switch to per-device licensing, just make sure you are in compliance by counting the number of "people" that ever connect to your terminal servers and making sure you have enough per-user TSCALs for each of those users.

A valid reason to use per-device licensing would be in a factory or hospital where you have 2-3 shifts of employees using the same client devices, where the number of users is more than the number of devices.

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richard — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:41:48 GMT

Thanks Silvia and Patrick.

To Silvia: I shouldn't switch to per-device since what I want is per-user. My only concern is what will happen once I install the CAL packs on the license server. Will the server start "handing" out this licenses and properly reflect the amount left or will it screw up things for me?

I'm convince and assured of the fact that I have less TS users than I have TS CAL, so in that sense I'm not really concerned (I have enough to increase TS users in 30%). But I have this worry: legally speaking, Am I breaking the law by not having activated the TS CAL even though I have enough of them to cover my selected licensed mode?

The fact that per-user license is not enforced might be the explanation as to why there are no problems so far.

At Patrick: So by assuring that I don't have more TS users than TS CAL I can continue without ever activating the license packs?

Thanks,

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Patrick Rouse — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:48:32 GMT

Per User TSCALs are not handed out, so installing the pack will not make any difference. I'm not a lawyer or Microsoft employee, but in my opinion so long as you can prove that you own sufficient licenses if audited by the BSA you should be fine. I don't see installing the packs as necessary. In 2008 R2 RDS Per User licensing is still not "enforced", but one can report on the usage.

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richard — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:05:01 GMT

Thanks Patrick.

Your post also gave me the answer to a question I had the intention to ask regarding the per-user license in the last version of Windows Server.

Regards,