ESB revisited

In ESB revisited, Rich Turner

Stefan Tilkov's Random Stuff — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:41:22 GMT

In ESB revisited, Rich Turner nails it: What if I wanted to remove or replace my current ESB platform? Surely, this is more insidious than any operating system, development tool or other such vendor lock-in concern? Because each ESB is&#160;implemented in an entirely proprietary manner, with no guarantees that the messages transmitted across the bus are actually based on any...

ESB Considered Harmful

Radovan Janecek: Nothing Impersonal — Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:59:18 GMT

Very cool post by Rich on ESBs. (via Stefan) I gave ESB a nickname while ago: Jurassic Park. That's really what it is at least in the world of SOA. ESB? No, thank you......

ESB Considered Harmful

Radovan Janecek: Nothing Impersonal — Mon, 02 May 2005 17:27:44 GMT

Very cool post by Rich on ESBs. (via Stefan) I gave ESB a nickname while ago: Jurassic Park. That's really what it is at least in the world of SOA. ESB? No, thank you... Update: Phil wrote a very good piece on it....

ESB - the debate continues

On the road to Indigo — Mon, 02 May 2005 19:23:24 GMT

I followed a few of the referrals from commentators on my second post about ESB's and read some interesting...

re: ESB revisited

bmichelson — Thu, 05 May 2005 23:35:50 GMT

So, assuming WS-* clears up the technical issues (security, management, orchestration, interoperability, etc.) with being service-oriented, then is the (next) real architectural problem to be solved, semantics--the naming, meaning, classification/taxonomies--of the business stuff (services, data) we are trying to bring together?

re: ESB revisited

Ronan Bradley — Thu, 12 May 2005 18:30:49 GMT

Interesting thoughts, my own comments are below.

Firstly, and probably most importantly, it should be recognized that ESBs and WS-* standards are addressing pretty similar customer requirements, and any ESB vendor worth its salt will certainly be supporting WS-* as and when these standards are sufficiently mature. It is not a case of either/or; adopting an ESB approach now does not prevent movement towards WS-*.

Second, integration is not simply a matter of making connections. ESBs can (should!) manage the complex mediation of services in order to overcome incompatable data models or 'granularity mismatch'. These are significant issues in complex real-world projects and at present WS-* is a long way from having a real handle on the mediation question.

Lastly, your comment; "Once these systems have been upgraded/replaced and attain the ability to talk WS-* too, then the integration engine should be removed, permitting free and open communications between systems."

Well, get back to me on that one - maybe around the same time hell freezes over! I don't have the confidence you do in the sudden emergence of a homogenous IT environment.

I would suggest that the need to integrate across multiple technologies and 'standards' will be with us forever. With that in mind organizations serious about integration can probably benefit by engaging with the issue now rather than waiting 18 months for a silver bullet.

re: ESB revisited

anonymous — Mon, 16 May 2005 15:03:39 GMT

It's a question of choice. It's evident that after the concept of ESB has appeared -and some companies are offering software for implementing it- each big -or small- company tries to follow the trend including in their platforms WS-*. But the very question is to know to which degree we can use open source software and standards in order to not be affected or restricted by propietary solutions. Rich may answer that currently the options should be Sonic or Microsoft Indigo or something else, but we will gradually prefer not to be submitted to any proietary solution.

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