A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

A Detailed Look at Team System Pricing

Dave Bost — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:51:49 GMT

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

G. Homedog — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:04:18 GMT

It seems that Microsoft is more interested in having a few dollars in its pockets right NOW instead of taking a look at the long term implications of these ridiculous prices.

Not only is the price of the team suite outrageous, lets look at the express products on the other end of the spectrum. $49? What on earth is Microsoft going to do with my lousy $49?

If you have 10 developers considering VC# Express, and

a) It's free and you have 10 developers writing .NET code for the Windows platform
b) It costs $49 and you have 7 developers writing .NET, so Microsoft gets a whopping $343 while the other developers have gone to another (free, open) platform (which shall remain nameless)

Microsoft seems to think option (b) is better. I just dont get that. Option (a) is so far better for MS I just can't comtemplate the monumental stupidity and short-sightedness of the fools making these decisions over there. Wake up MS!! You are not a monopoly anymore and you are losing developer mindshare at an alarming rate!! HEELLOO!? Is anyone paying attention???

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

Todd Spatafore — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 02:01:56 GMT

You had me up until you provided this post. Here are 3 scenarios. Tell me who is better off.
1) Current Universal Subscriber renews for $2299 and gets VS2005TE for Software Developers plus the MSDN Premium
2) Current Enterprise Subscriber renews for $1599 and gets VS2005TE for Software Developers plus the MSDN Premium.
3) Current Professional Subscriber renews for $1999 and gets VS2005 Professional plus upgrades to MSDN Premium.

It seems like the sweet spot is to be an Enterprise Subscriber now and upgrade for $1599. That person is getting more than the current Professional Subscriber and paying less for it. Also the current Enterprise Subscriber is getting the same as the current Universal Subscriber and paying less than the current Universal Subscriber for it.

Is it correct that current Universal subscribers are paying that extra $700 to get a choice of the three different versions of Team Edition, but will only end up with one of the three?

What will renewal pricing look like next year when we are renewing this new MSDN Subscription?

I feel a little left out with my little Professional Subscription. I can't upgrade to MSDN Premium without feeling like I'm being taken advantage of when looking at what the current Enterprise Subscriber is getting. I'll just stick with what I currently have and thank you for letting me pay $100 less for it.

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

Todd Spatafore — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 02:19:15 GMT

I can see the Professional to MSDN Premium pricing now that I've thought about it some, and considered what all is in MSDN Premium.

However, I still think that those with MSDN Universal are getting a raw deal compared to MSDN Enterprise users going to Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Developers. They both could end up with the exact same set of software, but the current Universal subscriber is paying $700 more than the current Enterprise user.

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re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

Charlie Williams — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:08:25 GMT

First, this is not an "I should get all the new stuff without having to pay for it" post, like so many other posts I've seen.

What confuses me is that as a current MSDN Universal subscriber who will likely choose VS 2005 Team Edition for Software Developers, I will be incurring a $700 penalty over current MSDN Enterprise subscribers.

So, should I be downgrading to MSDN Enterprise to be able to get the $1599 renewal price instead of $2299? Is that even an option for me?

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

css — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:56:12 GMT

Is there anywhere that I can find a breakdown of the features in VS.Net 2005 Standard and VS.Net 2005 Pro?

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

Paul I. — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:53:11 GMT

Thanks for the post, that's tidied things up nicely. It's a shame this kind of thing isn't easily available on the MSDN site, if at all?

My biggest question is with regards to the separation of Visual Studio Team Xxx editions. I admit I've only just managed to get VS2005 beta 2 downloaded, and haven't had time to play around with the previous CTPs, so I'm not entirely sure with regards to any overlap of features between the Team editions.

So, for instance, we all currently have MSDN Universal subscriptions. We're a relatively small shop so are unlikely to need Team Foundation, and so we'll likely be moving to MSDN Premium. The Architect edition is probably not needed, but certainly the Test edition functionality would be useful. It may be a slightly unfair comment to make, but my personal opinion as a result of the changes is that the editions don't really account for places where there isn't a clear demarcation of roles within teams.

But thank you again for the set of articles, they've been far, far better at explaining the changes than other things I've read.

re: A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Visual Studio 2005 Team System, Part II

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