TDD Help Topic Flap

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

Jeffrey Palermo — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:33:57 GMT

Rob,
Thanks for the update. Scott sure did bring some good visibility to this. I'm wondering why it the post by Dr. Neil on October 15th didn't get that much attention:
http://drneil.blogspot.com/2005/10/tdd-microsoft-is-close-but-no.html

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

Rob Caron — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:40:56 GMT

Jeff,
I haven't been following Dr. Neil's blog, but he came up in a conversation I had with Frank Arrigo on Tuesday evening in Adelaide. I'll add him to my news reader. I first heard of the troubles with this topic after reading Sam Gentile's blog post on it.

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

Sam Gentile — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:24:23 GMT

Rob,

As always, you command my respect by your actions and listening. Thank you.

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

Gishu — Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:23:12 GMT

Scott's post was better and went hell for leather after that post.
Maybe that's why :)
Thanks rob, for fixing that blip on MSDN.

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

Scott Bellware — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:43:12 GMT

It is indeed a relief to see that the document in question has been taken down. Much thanks.

What would it have taken to ask the TDD community about TDD practice and appropriate tooling rather than assume that MS Folk understand it by the very nature of being from Microsoft? It's this rising arrogance that has lead in the Whidbey wave to an increasing predilection for asking only the left hand side of the customer skills curve for product input which in turn leads to the the product design baubles like VSTS and TDD as well as the Web project system.

Microsoft is broaching a dangerous practice in assuming that it can prescribe practices to customers that it itself does not readily engage in. Not recognizing its own weakness or being in complete denial of the weakness is a problem.

What will Microsoft product teams do to fix this? I want to see a plan for Orcas that includes the XP customer role on product teams where this customer isn’t some marketing droid who doesn’t actually use the products to build actual software systems.

re: TDD Help Topic Flap

KevinT — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:44:07 GMT

The underlying reason for the level of noise about the article (IMHO) was not because it was so far off the mark but because people such as myself had hopes and expectations that VS2005 would contain excellent support for TDD and really drive it to the unwashed masses.

Instead we got what we got and went back to OSS offerings.

So i think the noise is a symptom of our collective frustration, not a random opportunity to bash Microsoft.

You should hire Scott and let him fix it - at least he really is in a position to publish guidance on the topic.

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