when setup isn't just xcopy : personal

Goodbye, MSDN. I'm moving to http://RobMensching.com/blog.

robmen — Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:12:21 GMT

I started blogging three years ago when the MSDN blog site was still hosted on gotdotnet. Back then there were fifty or so Microsoft bloggers and people giggled when you said the word "blog". Now there are so many Microsoft blogs that nobody bothers to keep count any more.

I toyed with the idea with hosting my own private blog a while ago but got real serious about it when I finally picked up the vanity domain http://RobMensching.com. I was keeping tabs on the Subtext project because of my work on the Internal blogs at Microsoft but when Subtext finally supported medium trust I figured it was ready to host my own blog. Finally, in November I pushed the huge reset button on life by changing jobs and getting married all at the same time. I figured I might as well reset my presence in the blogosphere.

You will now find my blog at http://RobMensching.com/blog.

I have not decided what I'm going to do with this blog. Jascha and Didi have also been encouraging me to start posting on the Windows Marketplace blog. Maybe I'll cross-post Marketplace topics from my new blog to there. Honestly, though I think we first need to move the Windows Marketplace blog off MSDN and onto Windows Marketplace itself. Maybe we could put it up at http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/blog.

Cross-posting there makes me consider cross-posting setup topics from my new blog to here, making this blog purely about setup things. Along those lines I've brought back the MSDN skin and the old blog title "when setup isn't just xcopy". However, don't be surprised if this blog just halts like Dare's MSDN blog and Alex's MSDN blog.

Anyway, "Goodbye, MSDN!" It's been a fun few years but I'm moving out on my own. Please come visit me at my new home at http://RobMensching.com/blog.

It all begins in November...

robmen — Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:12:10 GMT

As noted previously, there are some major changes going on in my life right now. This is the third and final change.

There are a few people out there that read my blog to hear my thoughts on software installation topics. There are others who read my blog looking for tidbits of information about how Open Source works at Microsoft. There is a third group of people that read my blog to see if their name shows up in text anywhere. This blog entry is all about one person in that third group, Jennifer Marshall.

A little more than three years ago, I met Jenny at the Century Ballroom. I arrived early for the open dance that night and was waiting for the Swing class to finish up. For those of you that have you've never been out social dancing, let me paint you a picture.

Imagine a gigantic square hard wood floor with a two story open air above it. Imagine a stage up front and white covered tables around the other three edges of the dance floor. Now, imagine two rings of about sixty people dancing. On the outside ring, the leads (usually men, but this is Capitol Hill so you never can be sure <smile/>) face in and on the inside ring of people the follows (usually women) face out. The instructors (one lead, one follow) are in the middle providing, er, instruction. Finally, imagine the instructors calling out "Switch" every couple minutes and having the inner ring of follows move one lead to the left so everyone dances with everyone else.

I was sitting on the window sill across from the stage watching the beginner dance class. I had been taking classes for a month or so by then and was able to tell which follows we following well. One follow in particular caught my eye.

She was all the way across the dance floor. I wish I could say it was her dancing that caught my eye but, honestly, I don't remember. I do remember seeing her long hair, fitted button-up shirt and sleek black slacks. But what caught my eye was how she moved from one lead to lead with confidence. When class ended shortly after she caught my eye, I watched her practically glide off the dance floor.

Jenny loves to tell this part of the story but you'll have to do with my rendition for now. I hopped up off the window sill and slid up in front of her. By this point, Jenny will tell you I was smiling from ear to ear but all I remember was saying, "Hi, I'm Rob. Are you staying for the dance tonight?"

Jenny didn't stay that night, she had a test to go study for. However, the following week as the introduction to Swing dancing circle went around before open dance and she showed up before me. I said, "Hi, Jenny." she said, "Hi, Rob." and we have been dancing together since then.

Today Jenny and I are making together forever official. November 4th, 2006 at the Edgewater hotel Jenny and I will be married.

Everyone should be so lucky to have someone as caring, generous, happy, outgoing, and beautiful as Jenny in their life. We have been through quite a few adventures in the last three years and I really look forward to what the next many, many years will bring us.

I said before, "It all begins in November." For Jenny and I life really does. For the rest of you, Jenny and I are taking a couple weeks off to go enjoy Kauai and Maui. We'll be back in time for Thanksgiving and I'll get back to writing sometime around then.

Until then, keep coding. I'll be on the beach drinking drinks with little umbrellas in them with my new wife.

Joining Marketplace.

robmen — Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:41:07 GMT

As noted previously, there are some major changes going on in my life right now. Derek leaving Microsoft and the affect that would have on the WiX toolset was the first one I made public. This is the second.

It was two years ago this month that I moved from the System Definition Model team to the Windows Core Operating System Division (COSD). It has been a challenging ride but we did manage to build the new servicing infrastructure for Windows Vista. I learned a lot about the setup for the Windows operating system and refined some of my debugging skills. I also learned that I want to be more connected to customers than my role in COSD allowed.

So, it is time to leave. I've operated in the depths of the operating system for long enough. I want to get back to improving the lives of customers directly. I want to work on something that helps ISVs ship better software to customers faster. I want to work on a small team with huge charter.

In a funny turn of events, as I was planning to walk out of Microsoft, Stephen Walli introduced me to my future boss. At the end of November, I will be joining the Windows Marketplace development team. Once there I will be focusing on the digital locker and the "software distribution" side of Electronic Software Distribution (ESD).

Never before have I been so excited to get started on a new project. There are so many features in Windows Marketplace to enhance, improve and outright create that I'm sometimes not sure where I want to start. But best of all there is no speed limit. We have all been encouraged to go as fast as we can.

It all begins November.

Conflicts of Interest?

robmen — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:55:01 GMT

Nicholas Carr has a great blog entry about conflicts of interest in blogging. It got me thinking about a silent policy I've always had for myself when blogging here. I don't blog about the many vendors in the MSI creation space except the ones that I am affiliated with. Namely I write about the WiX toolset (because I lead that effort) and sometimes VisualStudio's Setup Projects (because I work for Microsoft and I'm often asked to relate it to WiX ). I don't write about InstallShield or Wise or the many, many others.

My question to those of you who read my blog regularly is, "Do you think this policy is a good one and should I keep following it?" Please, leave a comment below or send me a comment through the contact link.

Nothing.

robmen — Sun, 08 Oct 2006 07:18:18 GMT

Thus far, today I have done absolutely nothing. Sure, I cleaned off the kitchen table, put away some dishes and folded some clothes. But I didn't really do anything. I spent a few hours playing through a few demo disks DJ lent me for the new Xbox 360. But that accomplished nothing. Most recently I've been catching up on random blog entries posted by people I follow. Like Dare, Raymond and Aaron. But nothing will come of that tonight.

What I've found amazing is that it actually feels good. Normally, I'd be itching to make at least some progress on at least one of the many projects that I'm currently juggling. But today I really did nothing.

So, I hope one of you out there is coding tonight because right now I'm obviously not holding up my end of the deal. I blame it on last night's carbombs. <smile/>

Thursday Night "Deployment Dinner Discussion" with Charlie Poole.

robmen — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:33:00 GMT

Tonight I traveled to Anthony's Beach Cafe in Edmonds, WA to have dinner with Charlie Poole. Charlie is the active maintainer of the NUnit project. He contacted me (via my blog, IIRC) and we set up tonight's meeting. I expected he wanted to meet because NUnit is now using the WiX toolset too.

Charlie did want to talk a little about WiX but we discussed a myriad of other topics as well for the two+ hours we were there. In fact, we shut the place down. Only the cooks were left cleaning when we walked out.

The most interesting setup related topic was something Charlie thought I wouldn't be interested in. NUnit is all managed code. It supports all versions of the CLR as well as Mono. Charlie told me he had written the detection logic for all the CLR versions and Mono. I told him that the WiX toolset already had the detection logic for the CLR and he should just use that but I was very interested in getting the Mono detection logic into WiX.

Charlie was surprised by both answers. He asked how to use the CLR detection in WiX v2 now. I didn't have the answer off the top of my head, but now that I'm home here's how you do it. Add any (or all) of following to one of your .wxs files:

<PropertyRef Id="NETFRAMEWORK10"/>
<PropertyRef Id="NETFRAMEWORK11"/>
<PropertyRef Id="NETFRAMEWORK20"/>
<PropertyRef Id="NETFRAMEWORK30"/>

Then you need to add the "netfx.wixlib" to your link line like so:

light my.wixobj netfx.wixlib -o my.msi

That will add the appropriate detection logic to your MSI for the CLR using the WiX v2 toolset (WiX v3 command line syntax is a bit different). Hopefully Charlie send back the Mono detection logic in a "mono.wixlib". Over time, I hope WiX will have all these sorts of things done for you in many prebuilt .wixlibs.

We also discussed Charlie's adventures in Europe learning and talking about Agile/XP methodologies, including what sounded like a fun trip with Ward Cunningham. I also asked a number of questions about his consulting work.

Another interesting topic we came upon was talking about our different Open Source projects. Charlie mentioned he had communicated with Miguel de Icaza when struggling with is project. I think you can see a bit of that in his blog entry about the exaggerated death of NUnit. We then discussed the relation of our Open Source projects with Microsoft. Charlie asked why not make WiX the foundation of Visual Studio setup projects. I told him I would love for that to work out. Then I asked him about NUnit and VSTS. Charlie pointed out that VSTS isn't structured properly to do true test driven development (TDD) but said he enjoyed the competition.

All in all, it was a great dinner and I look forward to crossing paths with Charlie Poole in the future.

The Windows Live Writer team rocks.

robmen — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:00:00 GMT

I installed Windows Live Writer 1.0 Beta a while ago to test a project I was working on. I didn't actually boot the application or anything, just installed it. I think this proves how much of a setup geek I am. <smile/>

Well, as you can see in my previous blog entry, I actually tried using Windows Live Writer. I must say, in the short time I've used it, I'm impressed. The UI is very intuitive. The HTML generated is very clean. The ability to preview the post using the styles from my blog is sweet. I love the way that "Recent Posts" and "Drafts" are tracked seamlessly.

That said, I have had some small issues with cut and paste not doing exactly what I expected (whitespace just disappeared). Window Live Writer also doesn't provide an easy way for me to add code snippets to blog entries (awesome if it was supported just like blockquote). But I can edit the HTML directly to add PRE elements and Writer seems to handle that pretty well.

But this blog entry isn't supposed to be about Windows Live Writer application. Instead, I wanted to talk about the Windows Live Writer team.

I met three of the developers on the Writer team a month or so ago: Bonnie, Joe and Spike. We had a great discussion for almost two hours after work one Thursday. One of the things I remember most is when we were discussing Beta feedback Joe commented sheepishly, "Probably the biggest mistake we made was not including the word 'blogging' in our dictionary. Lots of people complained about that." I chuckled when I posted my last blog entry because I did have to add "blogging" to the dictionary when the spell checker complained.

But even more important than the interesting conversation I had with Bonnie, Joe, and Spike, I saw something I hadn't seen inside Microsoft for so long I had almost forgotten to look for it. This team is hungry.

They aren't just building a simple blogging tool. They are building a blogging tool that beginners can be comfortable with while meeting advanced users basic needs. Then they released an update to their Beta based on user feedback. Next they made their application a platform and opened up an untold number of new uses. And most importantly they didn't blink when it was suggested Windows Live Writer wasn't necessary because Word 2007 would support blogging too (as Chris Corio might say, "The two apps are in completely different markets, yo!").

It wasn't until I was driving away that evening that the last piece of the puzzle clicked in my head. Windows Live Writer was created by the same team that brought us Onfolio. This team of hungry developers was acquired from the "outside".

That realization eventually crystallized into something that I have been feeling for a year or more. It feels like many developers at Microsoft are "playing to not lose". What I saw in the Windows Live Writer team was a small group of developers "playing to win". I loved that. It's past time for me to do the same.

It isn't whether you win or lose, as long as you're growing.

robmen — Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:14:28 GMT

Robert sent me a couple quotes from Ichiro in this morning’s Seattle Times. I thought they were quite appropriate to my “Here & Now” so I thought I’d just drop the quote in:

"I think it's true for any player that they don't want to be on a losing team," Ichiro said Friday, speaking through a translator. "But even a winning team can't just win and not gain anything in the process.
"So, the question is, whether you're a team that's winning or losing, are you gaining? Are you growing? And are you going forward with that?"

PS: This is also a test of Windows Live Writer's blogging ability.

Thursday Night "Deployment Dinner Discussions" with Carolyn Napier.

robmen — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:10:03 GMT

Tonight Jenny and I hosted our second Thursday Night "Deployment Dinner Discussion". Our guests were Carolyn Napier and Steve Lesser.

Actually, it isn't that simple. You see, I have been meaning to invite Carolyn over for to see my house for about 3 years now (as long as I've lived here). On top of that, Carolyn and Steve just got married so Carolyn's last name won't be Napier for much longer. Although, she'll probably always be Carolyn Napier to me.

You see, Carolyn and I were interns together on the Windows Installer team back in 1998. Carolyn was there when I came back with the most heinous sunburn after a June snowboarding trip to Whistler. Carolyn was there when Orca was created. And, as she very much likes to remind me, Carolyn was there when I sent email to Bill Gates suggesting that more investment was needed software installation.

Carolyn is now the lead of the Windows Installer team. If you start counting from her first internship, she has probably been on the Windows Installer for a decade. As you would expect, Carolyn is the absolute authority on why the Windows Installer works the way it does. When I get stuck, I go talk to Carolyn.

Carolyn and I are also friends, so sometimes I just go talk to Carolyn. Tonight we talked about today's Company Meeting (I'll share some thoughts later). We talked about Derek's leaving Microsoft, Carolyn was his lead. We talked about the current events in the Microsoft flag football league. We talked about Steve's and Carolyn's recent wedding and honeymoon. We even talked about an ESPN sportscaster (I forget his name) who was praising the efforts of Occupational Therapy after his aneurism (Jenny enjoyed that part). All of this over Jenny's super tasty burritos and, for dessert, pumpkin muffins.

All in all, a very enjoyable evening. I already have another Thursday Night "Deployment Dinner Discussion" lined up for October in Edmonds, WA. As always, if you're visiting the Redmond/Seattle area and would like to sit down to talk setup, drop me a comment via my blog.

Until then, keep coding. You know I am.

Bittersweet change, Derek Cicerone leaves WiX.

robmen — Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:13:02 GMT

As I noted in my previous blog entry, there is a lot of change in my life right now. Today Derek Cicerone announced that he is retiring from the WiX community. What Derek left out is that today was also his last day at Microsoft after four years. He leaves this weekend for a startup in Silicon Valley.

I've known about Derek's plans for about two weeks but it still hasn't sunk in yet. You see, what most people don't realize is that Derek was instrumental in making the WiX toolset so successful. WiX v2 core toolset would not be nearly as stable as it is now. More importantly, WiX v3 would not exist without Derek's efforts. For example, let's say there are about ten to fifteen major improvements in the v3 core toolset over v2. I only wrote one of them.

I want to tell the story of how Derek came to be so important to the WiX toolset but before I do there is one thing I want you to keep in mind. Prior to his decision to leave, I actually considered passing on leadership of the WiX toolset to Derek.

But let's go back to September, 2002. I remember the first time I met Derek Cicerone. I was in Reid Gustin's office and we were discussing some portion of Courier (the datacenter deployment system used by Office Online). The new hire that was to share the office with Reid (until Reid's internship ended and he went back to Stanford late September) showed up in the middle of our discussion.

The new developer and his lead were discussing the project he was going to be working on. Reid and I weren't trying to listen in but at some point the new hire asked, "So what is all this programmed in?" The lead responded, "Pretty much everything in Office is C/C++." The new hire said, "Oh, I don't like C++." There was a pause, while Reid and I looked at each trying not to snicker. Finally, the lead asked, "So what language do you like?" The new hire responded, "Oh, I like Java." I don't know if either Reid or I actually laughed out loud then but we both knew that the new developer was definitely not starting on the right foot. Derek Cicerone made quite the impression on his first day at Microsoft.

It was about a year later that Scott "K" Kurtzeborn called me up saying that Office was thinking seriously revamping their custom MSI build system. K wanted me to talk to the person in charge of the design process because K thought WiX might be a good replacement. I had just joined the SDM team at that time and was amused that I had to leave the Office team for Office to consider switching to the WiX toolset. You can imagine how much more amused I was when K showed up for lunch with none other than Derek Cicerone.

Over the next year, Derek would come into his own. First, he was instrumental in convincing his management in Office to take a risk on the newly rewritten WiX v2 code base. Succeeding at that, Derek dove into the space, finding bugs, then helping fix bugs, then actively participating in new feature design and development to grow the WiX toolset to meet the needs of Office. Finally, Derek became an active member of the community by answering questions and addressing bugs and feature requests.

Back in the early days of 2004, Reid (who had joined the SDM team out of Stanford), Derek, K, Robert Flaming and I met at my house every Tuesday night to work on the WiX toolset. We covered huge amounts of ground in those days. It was so much fun.

Derek became the champion for consistency in the code. He went through numerous sweeps through the WiX v2 code base cleaning up blocks of code, trying to simplify everything, and fixing bugs he found along the way. Derek also created the unit test infrastructure we use to test the WiX toolset. Finally, Derek became a co-collaborator on new designs and features for the WiX toolset.

The core WiX development team spent 2004 and most of 2005 simply fixing bugs in the WiX v2 code base, striving for stability in the core toolset. In the summer of 2005, Derek wanted to start development on some of the ideas we had tossed around over the last couple years but didn't want to add to WiX v2 for fear of destabilizing the code base. Finally, in October of 2005, we created WiX v3 and Derek simply took off. A year later, I am amazed at how much nicer WiX v3 is to use and how very powerful the new features make it.

Also in 2005, the Visual Studio team approached the core WiX development team about replacing their custom MSI build system with the WiX toolset. Derek was at every meeting with me. Together we answered their questions, discussed timelines and feature requests and ultimately convinced the Visual Studio team to bet on WiX v3 for their next release of Visual Studio. Without Derek's experiences integrating WiX into Office, I'm not sure we could have convinced Visual Studio to pick up the WiX toolset.

Then in 2006, Derek did even more of the work to get the SQL Server team moved to the WiX v3 toolset. Thanks to Derek's efforts, I expect by late 2007 the standard MSI creation technology at Microsoft will be the WiX v3 toolset. So, I hope you can see now why I considered handing over leadership responsibility of the WiX toolset to Derek Cicerone. He had certainly earned it, had he wanted it...

However, Derek and I never actually had that conversation because Derek decided it was time for him to move on to very different problems than what Microsoft and the WiX toolset solved. After spending these last three years getting to know Derek, I'm certain this change is a great move for him. In fact when he told me about the opportunity, I could only encourage him to go for it wholeheartedly.

This is a bittersweet day for me. The WiX community has lost a great contributor and leader in Derek. However, he has found something that aligns amazingly well with his interests. I wish him the best of luck in it all and look forward to seeing him again November 4^th, 2006.

When it changes it pours.

robmen — Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:13:51 GMT

The weather is starting to turn here in Redmond. Fall is right around the corner. With the change in seasons comes several significant and personal changes in my life. Preparing for those changes has actually impinged on my blogging lately. Over the next few months, I'll be sharing each of these major changes here.

While poised at this precipice of change for a short period of time, I've had some time to reflect on a question that struck me in the past. "Why does it seem that changes get all bunched up together, instead of happening evenly over time?"

Friends I've talked to have asked similar questions and we've shared hypothesis. One idea that I cling to is that maybe we only remember or truly recognize the changes in our life when there are several stuck together to create a major event. Another thought is that one change can break free a lot of other changes and all of these variously sized changes create a major event.

In any case, I'll have more info at the end of the week. In the meantime, keep coding. You know I am.

Thursday Night "Deployment Dinner Discussions" with Rob Mensching.

robmen — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 05:30:39 GMT

Over the last couple months, I have been trying to come up with new ways to connect with the software installation community. A couple weeks ago, I presented my first idea to Jenny. The idea was to invite people over for dinner at our house to eat, sit, and talk. Jenny agreed and last night we the first of what I hope is many Thursday night "Deployment Dinner Discussion".

Our first guest was Stuart Schaefer and his wife Ann (spelling?). Stuart was CTO of Softricity and is now an architect at Microsoft, since Microsoft recently acquired Softricity. Stuart and Ann brought beer and dessert while I grilled the Korean Burgers and mixed up the salad. It was a fun night of sharing histories with a bit of geek talk mixed in. One of these days, I need to get around to sharing my thoughts on virtualization.

I would like to extend the same invitation out to others in the software installation/deployment field. If you're visiting Redmond and have a Thursday evening open in your schedule, drop me a line. It doesn't matter if you work for a big company or small company or just yourself. If you find any of the content on my blog interesting or useful, we probably have something in common. Just drop me a comment with your planned itinerary and we'll see if the timing works out with Jenny and my Thursday night schedules.

This then this then this. What am I still doing here?

robmen — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:50:07 GMT

First, I see this. Then I'm skimming my RSS backlog and see this that points at this.

This isn't the first time but it is the most recent occasion to pause me a moment and wonder, "What am I still doing here?"

Blogging from the outside.

robmen — Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:40:00 GMT

Jenny talked me into going shopping for patio furniture today. I was skeptical. There isn't a lot of space on our deck upstairs. I wasn't sure how well a table, four chairs and an umbrella would fit. That and I was thinking it would be more cost effective to go shopping at the end of the summer when stores were more likely to be unloading their outdoor furniture.

It turns out that August pretty much is the end of the patio furniture season. There was very little selection and what was available was seriously marked down. Fortunately, Jenny and I found what we were looking for at Target for 30% off (my Mom would be so proud).

Once home we enjoyed margaritas then hamburgers and most recently strawberry shortcake outside with our new patio furniture. Now I am just chilling out, writing this blog entry in between long glances towards the sun behind the trees.

Sometimes I forget how nice it is to shift into neutral and just coast along for a while.

Wow, Microsoft Acquires Wininternals.

robmen — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:46:47 GMT

PressPass just released the news that Microsoft has acquired Winternals. This is amazing. I've seen Mark Russinovich speak and he presented the data extremely eloquently. However, what impressed me even more was the tools provided at Sysinternals were always really "tight". I mean that in every sense of the word. They were small, they were targeted, and they were flippin' cool. Tight.

May Mark and Bryce Cogswell (who I know nothing about) continue to stay "tight" inside the firewall.