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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>ronpih's weblog : Testing</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Testing</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2.1 SP1 (Build: 61025.2)</generator><item><title>James Bach on Hanselminutes</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2009/12/05/james-bach-on-hanselminutes.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:37:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9933090</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9933090.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9933090</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;A href="http://www.hanselminutes.com/default.aspx?showID=205" mce_href="http://www.hanselminutes.com/default.aspx?showID=205"&gt;http://www.hanselminutes.com/default.aspx?showID=205&lt;/A&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9933090" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Buccaneering/default.aspx">Buccaneering</category></item><item><title>Nice Post from Marlena Compton</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2009/11/18/nice-post-from-marlena-compton.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9924827</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9924827.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9924827</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;A href="http://marlenacompton.com/?p=545"&gt;http://marlenacompton.com/?p=545&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;- Testing is Interdisciplinary.&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9924827" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Stack Exchange Testing Site</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2009/11/02/stack-exchange-testing-site.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:51:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9916622</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9916622.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9916622</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;I just found out about this today: &lt;A href="http://testing.stackexchange.com/"&gt;http://testing.stackexchange.com&lt;/A&gt;.&amp;nbsp; I'm there...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9916622" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>AnitaG's Blog</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2009/05/06/anitag-s-blog.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:05:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9591837</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9591837.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9591837</wfw:commentRss><description>Anita George is a principle test manager at Microsoft and has started to &lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/anitag" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/anitag"&gt;blog &lt;/A&gt;about test management.&amp;nbsp; There are relatively many folks blogging about testing but not too many blogging about test management so I appreciate that Anita has started blogging.&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9591837" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>I need to review my list of Software Testing Blogs</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2009/03/09/i-need-to-review-my-list-of-software-testing-blogs.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:10:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9468289</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9468289.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9468289</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/pages/software-testing-blogs.aspx" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/pages/software-testing-blogs.aspx"&gt;My list of Software Testing&amp;nbsp;Blogs&lt;/A&gt; hasn't been updated in a while.&amp;nbsp; Some links are stale and I'm sure that there are some new blogs that should be added.&amp;nbsp; While I'm at it, I should look at &lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/pages/sql-server-analysis-services-related-blogs.aspx" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/pages/sql-server-analysis-services-related-blogs.aspx"&gt;my list of Analysis Services related blogs&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;Maybe this coming weekend...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9468289" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/BI/default.aspx">BI</category></item><item><title>GTAC 2008 Videos</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/11/23/gtac-2008-videos.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:9135766</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/9135766.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=9135766</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;A class="" href="http://googletesting.blogspot.com/2008/07/call-for-attendance-gtac-2008.html" mce_href="http://googletesting.blogspot.com/2008/07/call-for-attendance-gtac-2008.html"&gt;GTAC&lt;/A&gt; is a cool idea.&amp;nbsp; I see that there are &lt;A class="" href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22gtac+2008%22&amp;amp;search_type=&amp;amp;aq=f" mce_href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22gtac+2008%22&amp;amp;search_type=&amp;amp;aq=f"&gt;videos of this years talks&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9135766" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Continually Improving Tests</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/10/04/continually-improving-tests.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8976774</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8976774.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8976774</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;I had a conversation with someone this week about how to improve the efficiency of our automated test runs.&amp;nbsp; One thing I suggested was going through our test suites and getting rid of&amp;nbsp;obsolete, redundant, and troublesome tests.&amp;nbsp; I expected to get pushback around us not having resources to do the work but instead the pushback was around getting rid of any tests at all.&amp;nbsp; Apparently, some folks think that if you reduce the number of the tests you run, you reduce the effectiveness of your testing.&amp;nbsp; I respectfully disagree.&amp;nbsp; At some point in time, the tests will grow to an unmanageable number.&amp;nbsp; Before that, you'll find your testers doing nothing but maintaining your huge body of existing tests when they should be testing the product.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In my ideal world, testers would always be cognizant of the cost of a test as well as its benefit.&amp;nbsp; They would also be continually improving their tests - refactoring them, consolidating them when appropriate, removing redundancies.&amp;nbsp; They would always know the content of their test suites and where the trouble spots are.&amp;nbsp; Tests for an area would be factored into the appropriate layers (more on this in a&amp;nbsp;future post) based on the layer's purpose.&amp;nbsp; The tests suites would be improved based on feedback like missed product issues, peer review, and increasing knowledge of the product.&amp;nbsp; Fixes wouldn't be band-aids over symptoms but rather would be done with a consideration of the architecture of the test suite and framework.&amp;nbsp; The test automation would be continually improving rather than gradually giving way to entropy.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I realize this is an ideal world but I'd like to think we can move in that direction.&amp;nbsp; A good place to start is where you currently are.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;When you create new tests keep these ideas in mind.&amp;nbsp; When a test breaks, fix it the right way rather than the applying a band-aid over the symptoms.&amp;nbsp; When new feature work happens,&amp;nbsp;create new tests with consideration to the existing tests for that area - maybe even rework those existing tests to handle the new feature behavior.&amp;nbsp; Remove tests that no longer apply.&amp;nbsp; Gradually we&amp;nbsp;can move to a place where we have enough confidence in our tests that we (and others) won't be afraid when their number&amp;nbsp;goes down.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8976774" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Tester Center - Where's the Updates??</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/09/24/tester-center-where-s-the-updates.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:07:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8964341</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8964341.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8964341</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/default.aspx" mce_href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/default.aspx"&gt;MSDN Tester Center&lt;/A&gt; hasn't been updated in a while.&amp;nbsp; We haven't given up the ghost - we just lost some of the resources that we were relying on to update the site.&amp;nbsp; We're working on fixing the problem and now it looks like we should start to be back in business around mid-October.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In the meantime, we (specifically, &lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/charles_sterling/" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/charles_sterling/"&gt;Charles Sterling&lt;/A&gt;)&amp;nbsp;have been putting &lt;A class="" href="http://channel9.msdn.com/tags/Test+Center/" mce_href="http://channel9.msdn.com/tags/Test+Center/"&gt;Tester Center videos up on Channel9&lt;/A&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Check them out!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8964341" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Testing Videos?</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/07/28/testing-videos.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:42:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8785440</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8785440.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8785440</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;Jonathan Kohl, in a recent &lt;A class="" href="http://www.kohl.ca/blog/archives/000198.html" mce_href="http://www.kohl.ca/blog/archives/000198.html"&gt;blog post,&lt;/A&gt; says we need testing example videos.&amp;nbsp; I agree.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://www.associationforsoftwaretesting.org/drupal/CAST2007" mce_href="http://www.associationforsoftwaretesting.org/drupal/CAST2007"&gt;CAST 2007&lt;/A&gt; had an evening testing event that produced some of these.&amp;nbsp; Folks that were there were able to get copies of the videos.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I see that &lt;A class="" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bllu0n9yR7M" mce_href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bllu0n9yR7M"&gt;one has shown up on YouTube&lt;/A&gt;.&amp;nbsp; I wonder if the rest can be posted as well?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8785440" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/CAST2007/default.aspx">CAST2007</category></item><item><title>James Whittaker has started blogging</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/07/22/james-whittaker-has-started-blogging.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:52:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8764043</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8764043.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8764043</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;FONT color=#000080&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/U&gt;His first post is &lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/james_whittaker/archive/2008/07/08/before-we-begin.aspx" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/james_whittaker/archive/2008/07/08/before-we-begin.aspx"&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/james_whittaker"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8764043" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Software Testing / James Whittaker on Channel 9</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/05/05/software-testing-james-whittaker-on-channel-9.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8461440</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8461440.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8461440</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=402407" mce_href="http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=402407"&gt;This&lt;/A&gt; is very cool...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8461440" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Clint Huffman added to Software Testing Blogs List</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/04/28/clint-huffman-added-to-software-testing-blogs-list.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:41:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8435683</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8435683.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8435683</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;Looks like some interesting perfromance testing related stuff there.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://blogs.technet.com/clint_huffman/"&gt;http://blogs.technet.com/clint_huffman/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8435683" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>James Bach's Book</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/04/06/james-bach-s-book.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8364032</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8364032.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8364032</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;Last year at CAST, I spent time in James Bach's class, Self Education for Testers.&amp;nbsp; That class really opened up my mind to possibilities I hadn't considered.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Now I see that &lt;A class="" href="http://www.satisfice.com/blog/archives/125" mce_href="http://www.satisfice.com/blog/archives/125"&gt;he's writing a book&lt;/A&gt; about things he mentioned in that class.&amp;nbsp; I can't wait for the book to be available.&amp;nbsp; This will go on my "must-read" list.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8364032" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Books/default.aspx">Books</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/CAST2007/default.aspx">CAST2007</category></item><item><title>The Turkey Test</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/03/16/the-turkey-test.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:04:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:8272903</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/8272903.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=8272903</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://www.moserware.com/2008/02/does-your-code-pass-turkey-test.html" mce_href="http://www.moserware.com/2008/02/does-your-code-pass-turkey-test.html"&gt;This&lt;/A&gt; is a great post on things to be aware of if you ship a global application.&amp;nbsp; It turns out that the Turkish locale is a great stress test for getting locale-specific stuff right.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Pointed to by &lt;A class="" href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001075.html" mce_href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001075.html"&gt;Jeff Atwood's Blog&lt;/A&gt;)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=8272903" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category></item><item><title>Software Testing Books at Tester Center</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/2008/03/01/software-testing-books-at-tester-center.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:37:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:7981293</guid><dc:creator>ronpih</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/comments/7981293.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/commentrss.aspx?PostID=7981293</wfw:commentRss><description>I'm involved in &lt;A class="" href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/default.aspx" mce_href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/default.aspx"&gt;MSDN's Tester Center&lt;/A&gt; in the area of &lt;A class="" href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/bb417063.aspx" mce_href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/testing/bb417063.aspx"&gt;software testing book reviews&lt;/A&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The current "Note from the Editor" at TesterCenter talks a bit about why testers should read&amp;nbsp;books about their profession.&amp;nbsp; What's your favorite software testing book?&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=7981293" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Testing/default.aspx">Testing</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/ronpih/archive/tags/Books/default.aspx">Books</category></item></channel></rss>