Obesity inversely linked to income

re: Obesity inversely linked to income

Rdyck — Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:46:00 GMT

More junk/biased science. I live on a low carb diet (Atkins) on a budget. Fresh or frozen vegetables + chicken, turkey, and soy make up most of my diet. It's healthy and cheap.

Eating fast food all day every day, is not necessarily less expensive than a healthy, home-prepared meal. In fact my Brother is lower income and has more extra pounds than myself. But, he spends as much or more than I do on eating expenses each month. He just spends it less wisely on such things As fast food, fruit loops, chips, pop, candy, and beer; and rarely cooks a meal at home.

re: Obesity inversely linked to income

No Fat — Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:47:00 GMT

To eat 'well' you need to be 'rich'? Maybe you should pay better attention when you shop.

Most Americans problems are they don't excerise enough and they can't put down their forks. Portion sizes are too large.

Aso, if you reduce your portion size you may save some money and you may save some calories. Split that one plate at Claim jumper with four family members.

If you just ate 1000 calories in apples you are not very smart. If you ate the same number of calories in bread, chips, and cookies you are even dumber than the apple eater.

Any diet, such as the Atkins diet is setting false expectations. Diets don't work, you need to change lifestyle. More exercise, smaller portions, stop drinking soda, etc. And, your healthcare costs will go down.

re: Obesity inversely linked to income

Richard Dudley — Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:49:00 GMT

Not sure what this has to do with .NET, but anyway...

At some point in time, I think people need to be held accountable for at least some of their own actions. For all of my nearly 35 years on this planet, I have seen the Surgeon General's warning on cigarette packs. I have little sympathy for anyone who has began smoking during this time and develops lung diseases. You knew the risks.

I had lunch at McDonald's yesterday, and it ran me something like $4.46 for a burger combo. Three meals a day would run nearly $15. That fella in the interview could have chosen to substitute a banana or a bagel in the morning for a McDonald's meal, and still been within his budget according to your numbers. Likewise, a 2 pound bag of prepared salad (complete with Caesar dressing and croutons) from the grocery store runs about $2.99 in my area, and makes a decent meal some evenings.

Here's me being Devil's advocate for the interpretation of these statistics:
The obese people cited in one of the interviews complained that it was too difficult to stick to a diet because they had to eat the same foods, and they had to cook them themselves. Maybe obesity is related more to inner discipline than finances. Perhaps obesity and low income are not cause and effect, but manifestations of the same personality traits. Those that have the 'magic whatever' in their personality achieve more, such as success in dieting and in work. Those that lack the 'magic whatever' achieve less in both income and success in diet. I know people who would make an extremely compelling argument for this idea.

re: Obesity inversely linked to income

Scott Mitchell — Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:14:00 GMT

I had a discussion along these lines with a colleague a week ago or so, and he had taken your views, that food was ever more expensive, especially "healthy" food. I couldn't disagree more with his conclusions.

First, processed food - burgers, frozen dinners, chips, etc. - is NOT cheap. It is expensive. Sure, it may be cheaper than out of season fruit, or produce that can't be grown in your region, or quickly perishable goods, but it's still much more expensive than unprepared, uncooked food items.

If you look JUST at calorie count, you cited that 2000 McDonalds calories was cheaper than 2000 apples calories. Well... how much do you think 2000 calories of rice costs? 1 cup of rice is ~200 calories, so we're talking 10 cups of rice. 10 cups of rice is about 2.5 cups uncooked, which weighs, what, maybe 2 pounds? I get 50 lb. bags of rice for $25, so that's $1.00 for 2,000 calories, 1/15th the cost of McDonalds. On a parallel, I can get a week's worth of veggies and fruit from the produce store for under $10.

I agree with Richard's sentiment, the real culprit here is likely lack of motivation or education, and not merely a fiscal situation. Another way to look at it might be that someone who is poorer has fewer entertainment options, and maybe feels that the endorphin-releasing affects of grease at McDonalds is more affordable than movie tickets, seats at a concert, or whatever it is they enjoy.

re: Obesity inversely linked to income

John Dowdell — Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:40:00 GMT

Here's a classic examination of the data:
http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2004/05/polly_toynbees_.html

Smart apple buying is cheaper than Oreos or burgers.

Getting all your calories from cookies means zilch about your nutrient intake... think of calories as an upper guide, rather than as a minimum guide.

Most of the problem isn't in which foods are eaten, but in how much of them are eaten, and how much is burned off in physical action. (ie, it's time to get beyond that "good foods" and "evil foods" mindset.)

"Now that you can get your HMO to pay for your quit-smoking and weight-loss programs, how long before they start contributing to your groceries too?" About six months before telling you what you're allowed to buy, ah reckon. ;-)

Why is it so expensive to be healthy?

Wise Bread — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:00:05 GMT

Why are poor people in America so fat? Would you believe that farm subsidies have something to do with it?Walmart is where lower income consumers come to shop. Why? Because you get the most bang for your buck. Walmart is also notorious for having the

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