Control Freak.

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MIke Moore — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:14:26 GMT

Why won't you be accepting community contributions ala AJAX Control Toolkit or IronRuby? Is this decision final or is there hope for this to change in the future?

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ゆむかブログ — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:52:11 GMT

Shawn Burke's Blog : Control Freak PDC 2008 で Silverlight 2 の追加コントロールのプレビュー版がリリースされるようです。 Microsoft Public

Microsoft Introduces the Silverlight/WPF Controls Team

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re: Control Freak.

sburke — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:44:15 GMT

@Mike - The main reason is because we want to make sure some of these controls can eventually ship in the core Silverlight install, Visual Studio, etc. As it stands, we can't do that with projects that have externally-contributed code.

Microsoft Introduces the Silverlight/WPF Controls Team

Page Brooks — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:46:24 GMT

Microsoft Introduces the Silverlight/WPF Controls Team

re: Control Freak.

Jonas Follesø — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:58:30 GMT

@Mike Moore: If you contribute code to an open source project you (most of the time) still hold the copyright for the work. Some projects makes you give away all copyright and IP before committing.

If they accepted external contributions it might be harder to move the controls into the WPF/Silverlight core frameworks, as the code might contain IP and copyrighted material from external developers.

This is for instance the reason you can expect to see IronRuby shipping as part of Visual Studio, as it's developed as a "true" open source project on Ruby Forge, with external contributors etc.

Perhaps Shawn could elaborate a little more on this?

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Nathan Brouwer — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:31:37 GMT

Hi Shawn,

not sure why but your post doesn't quite surface anywhere, especially not on the Silverlight forums. Luckily enough I found it somewhere in my unread blog items. Anyway, sounds like a good plan you got going on.

What I do notice though is that none of the controls you mentioned are on the wish lists maintained on the forums. Microsoft people actually asked the forum members to create these and they've been really active in doing so.

Now, the fact that you release a control set is obviously a good thing. How do you explain to the forum members that none of their requests are actually in this release?

Again, no offence. Any control building activity is a good thing. Just wondering though.

Ps. Also, why is there a new "label" control when a normal textblock basically is the same?

Ps2. Have some doubts about other controls as well. Are you going to elaborate on them in later posts?

re: Control Freak.

sburke — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:47:57 GMT

@Nathan - the news will get around over time...

Good questions, here's some insight into the process from my POV.

I'm not sure which wishlist you're referring to. Is it this one (http://silverlight.net/forums/t/23014.aspx)? This is the first I've heard/seen this so any ignoring here was by accident not by design.

If so, 1 will be in the next version, 4 & 8 are in post-B2 SL builds. The rest are things that need to be done in the SL core itself and I know the core team is aware of, some of which will be in the SL 2 release.

But here's how we decided on this list of controls:

1) Critical components that people are used to in WPF

2) Requests from user feedback sessions (e.g. TreeView has been a frequerequest)

3) Since we're building a team and ramping people up, and were looking at a pretty short timeline between team creation an PDC, I wanted to stick to "basic" controls that we could execute well on and achieve some early success before moving on to more complex components as the team and team members mature.

Hope that helps. If there are other wishlists around for controls, please send me the links so we can add them to our prioritization matrix!

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joewood — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:01:39 GMT

You mention WPF at the end - but why not attempt a shared source with two targets? Incompatibility at the control level is going to make SL2/WPF interop really difficult.

re: Control Freak.

sburke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:08:09 GMT

@joewood

We will be doing as much sharing as we can, but it's not quite a simple as it sounds. On the WPF side, you want to be able to write a control that takes advantage of WPF (Triggers, 3D, etc), and on the Silverlight side there are enough small differences that this is hard. We do have some controls that can cross-compile (see B1 ListBox), but in any case it's best to start with the SL control then do the WPF one so you don't end up relying on things not available on SL.

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sburke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:16:06 GMT

Oh - just to be clear. Shared sourcing is orthogonal to API/behavior compat between SL/WPF. We're definitely making things compatible even if the impl is slightly different.

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Bob W — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:36:21 GMT

Great post Shawn, looking forward to seeing the new stuff. Quick question: when will us WPF developers get to take advantage of the Visual State Manager goodness?

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sburke — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:08:40 GMT

@Bob - yes, soon. We're working on how to get Blend to support it in the period between now and the next version of the .NET Framework (4) which is a ways out. Hopefully we'll have something to show/hand out at PDC.

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PFaz — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:01:16 GMT

More controls are great but how about basic functionality that's currently missing from existing like mousewheel support. Not being able to use it in something like a listbox is a show stopper for our users. Let's also remember that flash/flex offers this functionality which is a argument I'm constantly having to defend!

please....

Silverlight 2 RC0 Released for Developers

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re: Control Freak.

Steele Price — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:57:35 GMT

Please tell me that when you release source, that there will be a few of these controls written in VB.Net! We would love to have the opportunity to dig into how controls are built in our own language.

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re: Control Freak.

sburke — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:41:49 GMT

@Steele - Hi, no all the controls are written in C#. Since they're all in the same package, we would have to write a full set of them in VB.NET. However, the code side of most of the controls is very simple. When written properly controls have very few lines of code and leverage the power of XAML and the SL runtime to make things work.

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re: Control Freak.

Stefan Olson — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:21:05 GMT

I'd like to see a FlowDocumentViewer, since I'm gonna have to write one myself anyway.

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Hyperlink Control in Silverlight?

Sam — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:13:49 GMT

Shawn, is there a hyperlink control coming for silverlight 2 - that can be used as an inline element (like in WPF for windows apps)?

Currently, there is no clean and easy way to add hyperlinks in a text block in silverlight 2 (lets say if we want to do an "About Us" page containing text and hyperlinks).

re: Control Freak.

sburke — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:17:44 GMT

@Sam - there already is one, at least in RC0. See "HyperlinkButton"

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re: Control Freak.

Anu Omotayo — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:21:50 GMT

I would be great if Silverlight can have the following controls:

1. Menu Control

All the controls being worked on in the Silverlight Control Toolkit (http://www.codeplex.com/SilverlightToolkit).

I hope your team will work on them

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samcov — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:47:49 GMT

Is Microsoft concerned about the lack of Rich Text Support in Silverlight?

Is MS going to leave this responsibility to 3rd parties?

Silverllight 2 Control Toolkit

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Silverlight 2 Released: New controls, tools, announcements!

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Did I Screw Up?

Tom Jorgenson — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:25:15 GMT

I went through the process of updating Visual Studio and the framework to SP1. Installed the beta tools. Installed the deep zoom stuff, etc. Now Visual Studio 2008 SP1 shows SilverLight templates, but when I try to create a new SilverLight project from VS (or open one created in Expression Blend Preview 2008) it says that the project type isn't supported. Did I do something wrong or is there a bug somewhere in the process?

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sburke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:32:44 GMT

@Tom - this usually means that your Silverlight Tools install didn't stick. Try this (I know, it's a bunch of steps but it's not that bad). Uninstall [Blend Preview, VS SL Tools, SL SDK, SL Runtime], then reinstall the RTW of the SL Tools, then Blend again.

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