.NET Framework penetration

re: .NET Framework penetration

Anonymous Coward — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:01:00 GMT

Which version of the .Net framework? Are there compatibility issues between different versions of the .Net framework?

Of current machines running Windows worldwide, what percent have the .Net framework?

Too Bad

Wayne — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:03:00 GMT

It's too bad that 99% of all statistics are wrong ;)

re: .NET Framework penetration

Scott Wiltamuth — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:11:00 GMT

I don't have the breakdown of versions -- that's a good question.

Applications written for .NET Framework 1.0 can run under 1.1, so developers can target all versions by building apps that target 1.0.

If a developer writes an app that targets 1.1, e.g., that uses an API that was added in 1.1, then it will not work against 1.0.

It's harder to answer this question: "Of current machines running Windows worldwide, what percent have the .Net framework?" since for privacy reasons I don't think it's possible to gather this information without the user's permission. (Caveat -- I am not a privacy expert.)

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re: .NET Framework penetration

Ricky Datta — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:47:00 GMT

Why did it not get installed as part of XP SP1 ?

re: .NET Framework penetration

Barry — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:44:00 GMT

Scott -

"More than 58% of business PCs have the .NET Framework preinstalled or preloaded".

That's fine but not a real reflection: I work for a truly huge company (think fortune 500), and my wife in a separate f500 company. Both uninstall the preinstalled OS, and place a corporate build of win2k on all desktops *minus* .NET. I know of at least two other companies (one motor, one electric) that do the same.

- Barry.

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datamine weblogs?

Max — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:34:00 GMT

"Of current machines running Windows worldwide, what percent have the .Net framework?"

Scott, i think its easy to answer that question by datamining weblogs of some public non-developer site, say msn.com. % of IE visitors who have .NET installed will be very valuable datapoint.

re: .NET Framework penetration

Anthony D. Green — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:41:00 GMT

"That's fine but not a real reflection: I work for a truly huge company (think fortune 500), and my wife in a separate f500 company. Both uninstall the preinstalled OS, and place a corporate build of win2k on all desktops *minus* .NET. I know of at least two other companies (one motor, one electric) that do the same"

If your corporate IT department can make a corp build image they could certainly make one that includes .NET. When was it that we decided that we didn't have jobs, that everything would always be handed to us? Maybe it was because VB did everything for us. But if deploying the framework within an, I assume, networked corporate intranet is an extreme issue I'm not sure you all have the resources to be in business at all. Modify your corporate build that you install on all new machines to install .NET (this is part of your deployment strategy). If you aren't the person responsible for it then bitch at the person who is until they justify their paycheck. Use your domain controller to do a distributed install. Surely you could do it if you actually wanted to.

re: .NET Framework penetration

Plebeian — Sat, 21 May 2005 04:29:14 GMT

I have been looking at building a low-end, home user-oriented (email-related), and therefore non-enterprise shareware application using .NET. My informal market research reveals that there are presently very few applications of that kind that require the .NET Framework.

I believe that the main reason for this is the perception that .NET does not have good penetration onto ordinary users' desktops, and is difficult to install from an application's setup procedure.

So, even if the quoted statistics are accurate, they do not tell us what percentage of those PCs are corporate PCs and what percentage are home user PCs. I suspect that most are corporate PCs.

Microsoft seems to have expended very little effort in encouraging home users to install .NET. For example, Windows Update leaves this as an optional install rather than a recommended install, and tells people to install it only if they have a program that requires it. This increases the acceptance barrier for developers who want to use .NET to deploy applications that are aimed at home users.

In addition, the only easy way to incorporate the installation of the .NET Framework into an installer seems to require that the 25MB dotnetfx.exe be distributed along with the application - whether or not the target PC has .NET.

If Microsoft wanted to encourage the use of .NET by home users, why wouldn't they have provided a simple native code library that checks for the existence of .NET, if not present, checks for the existence of Internet Explorer 5.01 or above, and if either or both are not present, initiates a download and install of whatever is missing from a Microsoft server, in the proper order?

This would enormously reduce the barriers to use of the Framework for home user-oriented applications.

Similar things could be said about MSDE, but in that case it seems fairly clear that Microsoft cares only about MSDE's role as a feeder for SQL Server purchases, and has no real intention of supporting its use for single-user desktop applications (even though they nominally support this).

I would be very interested in hearing other people's opinions regarding this, and would be delighted if my present perceptions on any of the above are wrong, as I would very much like to write an application for home users that relies upon .NET.

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