Performance, Performance, Performance

re: Performance, Performance, Performance

magalhaes — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:45:22 GMT

thanks for the info and key points on performance.

It is a fact that performance is a big issue, and that we should all be aware of the implications and advantages of good planning and development.

Ricardo Magalhães

Portugal
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Martin.Kearn@Microsoft.com — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:47:27 GMT

Great post Jeff, with all these improvements around the scalability of site in SharePoint 2007, what are the implications of this on the SQL database sizes? My specific concern is around backup and restore of the SQL databases files as they could potentially get huge and I believe that there are recomended limitations to database size in SQL itself.

re: Performance, Performance, Performance

Robert Spivack — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:20:39 GMT

We are a boutique hosting company (~2000 clients) and have spent a lot of effort working with STS and WSS.

We have "a few hundred" WSS sites and a few dedicated servers used by some larger clients.

The only real scalability problems we have had have been with using Active Directory integrated mode. After looking at various scenarios (and how other hosters were doing it) we have done the following (which may or may not be the best approach).

We created a special domain xxxx.com with a neutral sounding domain name as the AD domain and created a single WSS_OU in it to hold all the users.

1. The end-users (employees of our clients, or general Internet users if the wss is a public site) continue to be confused by the login requirement of "domain\username".

2. WSS namespace management is a blackbox that cannot be overridden. Our users are tired of being assigned "Jim9" as their login name even when they seem to be the only "Jim" using the site or the server. The "name collission" algorithm and the "cached forever" assignement of unique names is a real pain.

3. We thought about using a unique OU for each top-level site, but since OU's are not hierachical entities like domains, that wouldn't solve anything and seems to add unnecessary complexity.

4. Using a unique AD domain for each top-level site's membership namespace (not the website URL, but the AD users) adds tremendous cost and overhead since we would need to deploy at least two domain controllers per AD domain.

Will the new WSS address any of these pain points?

(We missed the first round of beta, hope to get in on the next one!)

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Shaun Dicker — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:44:45 GMT

Thanks for the great post! Has there been any specific focus on the average page size? It doesn’t help if the server farm is pumping out pages, but the client browser has to download “large” sets of data which each mouse click. Many of our customers do not have unlimited bandwidth and throughput. As a result, the additional load that SharePoint will add to the WAN/LAN is an important consideration.

re: Performance, Performance, Performance

Todd Bleeker — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:49:31 GMT

Glad to see the rigor in your performance testing. I hope that the Outlook 12 team will be a thorough.

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sptblog — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:06:57 GMT

Just catching up on comments,

Robert - The approach to date sounds reasonable for today. We will be working on an updated send of guidelines for hosters for the next release when it comes out. One thing that might give you additional options is the pluggable authentication support but we'll cover all this.

Shaun - First thing I'd suggest is trying out IIS compression. It will help a lot even today. Second, we are working on tuning the page sizes and breaking things up a bit. Finally, for more published (vs. community) sites, we'll have "internet portal" template so readers don't get alot of the chrome, javascript app features, etc.

Todd - Yes the Outlook team is extremely focused on performance. As you know, cached mode was a big win for them with Office 2003 and we're working closely with them on the SharePoint and search integration features for the next release.

I know this is all a little vague but we continue to push the envelope of both features and scalability and we'll be extremely detailed by RTM. The good news is with SPS 2003 we have topologies that can do 1000+ pages per second TODAY and caching will help us do dramatically more on the interent for published sites in the future.

-- Jeff

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Geoff Gill — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:12:12 GMT

Great post. Very helpful as I am building SPS/WSS from the ground up as the company Intranet. This after running another corporate Intranet site on Sharepoint for about 2 years. GBG

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sptblog — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:59:29 GMT

Thanks Geoff -- Jeff

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web tasarım — Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:39:52 GMT

Great post. Very helpful as I am building SPS/WSS from the ground up as the company Intranet. This after running another corporate Intranet site on Sharepoint for about 2 years. GBG

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Mike Sharp — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:00:52 GMT

Great post, Jeff.

We're currently in the early phases of a complete MCMS 2002 site redesign. We've done a lot of work in the past to get performance up to our current levels. At the moment, we have two web servers running MCMS in read-only, with a separate SQL Cluster. Search is provided via a web service to a separate SharePoint installation. All authoring is done on a separate internal MCMS site, and a deployment service we wrote in-house publishes it to the DMZ.

We use both ASP.NET output caching, as well as the MCMS caching. While I don't know what our actual limits are, a recent nationally televised program resulted in a peak of around 100 requests per second, which we handled easily. I'm glad to see that output caching for the publishing site template is included with the 2007 version.

What I'm wondering is whether I need to budget for additional hardware (a tough question, considering I don't even know what I'm going to have to build yet). Is there some rule of thumb that says a current MCMS 2002 site using X number of servers will require X + n number of servers in 2007?

Regards,
Mike Sharp

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raso — Fri, 05 May 2006 11:20:11 GMT

Glad to see the rigor in your performance testing. I hope that the Outlook 12 team will be a thorough.

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re: Performance, Performance, Performance

Fahad — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:02:10 GMT

Is the saving subsites as a template not there in the beta version of SPS 2007.

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Jesse Murray — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:09:44 GMT

Since beta 2 has been released, I am wondering if there are any formal performance guidelines which can be used during discussions with out clients?

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re: Performance, Performance, Performance

lazer epilasyon — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:49:37 GMT

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re: Performance, Performance, Performance

Lazer epilasyon — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:50:18 GMT

Great post. Very helpful as I am building SPS/WSS from the ground up as the company Intranet. This after running another corporate Intranet site on Sharepoint for about 2 years. GBG

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Jax — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:42:22 GMT

Great Post indeed!

This will definitely help setting up the MOSS Farm.

We just setup a x64 bits MOSS and unfortunately we are having some performance issue. I am wondering if you can suggest anything. Below are the configurations we have:

- Single Box MOSS Farm (x64 bits) with a remote SQl 2005 (x32 bits due to various reasons).

- All the servers have 1.00 GB NIC and the Switch they are connected to support 1.00 GB bandwidth.

- Workstations are on a VLAN that supports up to 100.00 MB Bandwidth and also connected to the same switch (segmented by VLAN)

Our ISSUE

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When we browse the page from our client machine (XP machines) the pages, default.aspx or any .aspx pages loads very slowly, almost now useable. Any .html page loads up instantly. So we started troubleshooting, and below is what we did:

- 1) we tried loaded simple .html page - loads instantly

- 2) We looked for errors and we could not see any error.

- 3) We browsed the SharePoint MOSS site from a server, by making RDP connection to our other server that connected to the same switch as the MOSS server but in another VLAN - the page loads instantly.

- 4) We also tried making a CITRIX connection and the page loads quickly. In this scenario the page comes up from a Citrix server that has 1.00 GB NIC and bandwidth.

- 5) So we decided to take a laptop to the server room and connected to the same VLAN as the MOSS server. Remember in server room the bandwidth is 1.00 GB. And our laptop is capable of 1.00 GB speed, so it auto set to 1.00 GB speed. And this time the MOSS site page comes instantly.

- 6) Then for trouble shooting purpose we set the NIC to 100.00 MB speed duplex as it is from the workstations VLAN segments, and now we are having the same latency problem that is unbearable, almost makes you not to use the site.

- 7) we also have a x32 bits MOSS farm where we don’t see this problem with same clients.

Questions/Curiosity

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- we know there is a difference in bandwidth/speed of 1.00 GB in server VS 100.00 MB in workstation, but we are not seeing latency from our clients to MOSS x32 bits farm, but why is the so huge latency to the x64 bits farm?

Any advice is appreciated..

Thanks,

Jax..

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Paul Jones — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:05:29 GMT

Thanks for a very informative article.

Many SharePoint gurus now are asking developers to cache objects, sessions and especially page output in order to give their sharepoint performance the boost it requires.

We have written an article around the subject and hopefully it'll help inform various Sharepoint users about the types of caching available that can make their applications perform faster as well as making them more reliable and scalable.

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