Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

John Dowdell — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:17:13 GMT

If it's "next generation", then what new abilities does it add to what people are already doing, today?

jd/adobe

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

yuvipanda — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:00:18 GMT

Silverlight, as a name, sounds too sexy to come out of Microsoft :D

I can feel a storm brewing at Mix...

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Joshua — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:11:08 GMT

John, lets keep that a surprise for MIX. I hope you are coming.

"WPF/E" Is Now Microsoft Silverlight

Robert McLaws: Windows Vista Edition — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:12:08 GMT

I thought Microsoft was going to wait until MIX 07 to announce some of this stuff, but chose the National

"WPF/E" Is Now Microsoft Silverlight

Robert McLaws: Windows Vista Edition — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:13:44 GMT

I thought Microsoft was going to wait until MIX 07 to announce some of this stuff, but chose the National

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Apolon — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:14:14 GMT

That is fantastic news. Seeing the words "based on the .net framework" on the Silverlight web site is a relief given the most recent CTP had nada functionality in this area.

Soma: How about making it truly cross platform/cross browser and making it available on Linux and all the Windows Mobile versions?!

I'm sure the latter will happen, but from a developer's perspective having a version that runs on Linux (maybe based on Mono?) would be extremely useful. It would make many development technology decisions a no-brainer. Most developers would still deploy the resulting software mostly on Windows systems but not have to develop multiple versions to get significant cross platform coverage.

"WPF/E" Is Now Microsoft Silverlight

Robert McLaws: Windows Vista Edition — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:14:24 GMT

I thought Microsoft was going to wait until MIX 07 to announce some of this stuff, but chose the National

"WPF/E" is now Silverlight!

Matt Powell — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:30:32 GMT

Tonight we announced the official name of wpfe....Microsoft Silverlight! This is the beginning of a bunch

SilverLight ってなんだ？

かるあのメモ — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:33:14 GMT

Silverlight - The next generation web experiences(Somasegar's WebLog)より SilverLight というソリューションが発表されています。

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Oran — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:29:58 GMT

Great job on the branding! I like it. Now please please please fix the "WPF classic" branding.

Hello Silverlight!!!

Brad Abrams — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:44:16 GMT

Having been involved in a few of the notably-mediocre names such as "Windows Presentation Foundation"

Silverlight is here!

Brian Goldfarb's Blog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:21:11 GMT

Ok, so I've been quiet, but I can explain it -- I've been working really really hard on Silverlight and

Silverlight (WAS: WPF/E) is Official

Erik Porter's Blog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:22:08 GMT

The official name as well as site is now out for Silverlight, which used to be called WPF/E. Lookin'

Silverlight (fka "WPF/E") and ASP.NET

Erwyn van der Meer — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:33:08 GMT

Microsoft has announced that the little cross-platform, cross-browser cousin of Windows Presentation

Silverlight is here!

RSS It All — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:54:31 GMT

Ok, so I've been quiet, but I can explain it -- I've been working really really hard on Silverlight

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

someone — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:06:02 GMT

Can you clarify if Expression Media Encoder is the same as Windows Media Encoder Studio Edition (which was cancelled/pulled quietly) few months ago????

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Ahmad Lafi — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:45:30 GMT

I don't think this name will last too long, it doesn't sound professional

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Savvybytes — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:28:30 GMT

Hope this be a Silver bullet for Flash. Great work ! Thanks.

Ekko i kammeret

NikolajW — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:16:49 GMT

Hele blogosfæren, eller ihvertfald den del der beskæftiger sig med Microsoft teknologi genlyder her til

Microsoft Announces Silverlight

bharry's WebLog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:26 GMT

Check out Soma's blog today: http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2007/04/15/silverlight-the-next-generation-web-media-experiences.aspx

Silverlight, Expression Media Encoder, and More Announced at NAB

Kirk Allen Evans' Blog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:19:14 GMT

You've heard snippets of details about what this thing code-named "WPF/e" could do, maybe even downloaded

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Sam Stange — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:36:12 GMT

Much better brand name than WPF/E! I agree with Savvybytes. I'm looking forward to MS's best efforts in making flash-like competitor. .NET wouldn't be where it is today without Java, ColdFusion, Ruby on Rails, etc... Hopefully, one day we can say Silverlight wouldn't be where it is today without Flash.

Microsoft Silverlight

Michael's Blog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:51:26 GMT

For all of you didn't noticed the name change of code name WPF/E, it is now Microsft Silverlight . Silverlight

Codename "WPF/E" offiziell als Microsoft Silverlight vorgestellt

msdn Austria — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:25:35 GMT

Auf der NAB Konferenz in Las Vegas wurde der neue Produktname, sowie weitere Details über die neueste

WPF/E is now called Microsoft Silverlight - sequel to my BigDays session

knom's developer corner — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:36:49 GMT

Those of you, who visited my session on Windows Presentation Foundation, hopefully remember speaking

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Somasegar — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:53:50 GMT

The Expression Media Encoder is a brand new tool focused specifically on preparing media for delivery as part of Silverlight-based experiences and is not related to Windows Media Encoder.

-somasegar

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Srikanth Bhakthan — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:55:05 GMT

Microsoft got in to 'web 2.0' naming conventions?!

i like the new name for wpf/e.

Microsoft Silverlight (codename: WPF/E)

Luc Gauthier's Weblogs — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:40:31 GMT

Voir le blog de Somasegar pour plus d'information. http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2007/04/15/silverlight-the-next-generation-web-media-experiences.asp

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

andyed — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:44:23 GMT

Isn't a Flash a Silver light !

WPF/E Becomes SilverLight...

MrDave's (David Yack) Blog! — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:50:46 GMT

Late Sunday night - Soma announced that WPF/E will become Microsoft SilverLight - He also that this just...

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

john — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:21:05 GMT

It's pretty strange that the silverlight page not have any silverlight features. So far, I have no idea what this product will look like - all hype.

WPF/E no more. Welcome Silverlight

OffBeatMammal — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:59:08 GMT

After lurking in the shadow of it's codename for several months Silverlight has finally been announced

Infuriating redundancy

Mamanze's Blog — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:28:03 GMT

Alright, I realize that nobody will read this but I'm quite annoyed and need to spout again. In my ever

And the award for worst product name of the year goes to...

Brain Matter — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:47:10 GMT

And the award for worst product name of the year goes to...

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Alan Shemper — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:52:21 GMT

Where can one download the Linux client?

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Joshua — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:53:42 GMT

"Monday, April 16, 2007 12:21 PM by john

It's pretty strange that the silverlight page not have any silverlight features. So far, I have no idea what this product will look like - all hype."

Download the ctp, and try the page again - you may be in for a surprise. As Soma announced Microsoft is releasing a beta at MIX, therefore Microsoft did not want to push auto-download, but provide the freedom of choice for early users - you can download the CTP, to experience some of the Silverlight features, or can wait for the beta release shortly. As I said before, the best is yet to come - MIX is going to be excellent!

Plus, I have been told that many features of Silverlight are being demonstrated at NAB. As I think you may be John from adobe who posted earlier (sorry if you not..) - ask your colleagues to wander over from their booth since it's right next door on the floor chart.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Matt Whitby — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:04:29 GMT

I tried some Silverlight samples.

One loaded but didn't work, one crashed Visual Studio (twice), my browser crashed three times. Flash will live on for a good while yet.

matt.whitby at gmail dot com

Silverlight is Here

Shake to Develop — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:50:41 GMT

Have you been following the evolution of the technology that was previewed under the codename 'WPF/E'?

Silverlight

C# Nuggets — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:11:26 GMT

As has been blogged all over the place , WPF/E has been renamed Silverlight (Note: lower case 'L').

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

John Dowdell — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:50:11 GMT

So, you're using the phrase "next generation" in press releases and verbatim blogposts today, but won't describe what you think may be nextgen-ish about it, until some future date, is that what's going on here...?

If so, then why not hold off on using phrases like "next generation" until you're actually ready to say what you mean?

So far, the strongest meaning I can see is "it's the next generation of Microsoft technology", an inward-looking orientation, which merely catches up to prior generations of the rest of the world's web technology.

And it's Rich *Internet* Applications, not some redundant "interactive" revisionist claptrap... this was cleared up five years ago, for goshsakes:

http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/03/ria_definition.cfm

(So the CLR goes back in, with some indeterminate result on download size and developer concerns about which engine to write to.... what<em>ever</em>.)

jd/adobe

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Will McCullough — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:59:55 GMT

I think this is very interesting. Especially when it comes to video compression. As many content producers like myself struggle with how to let our users publish videos in a standardized format the only existing solutions are flv. Flv is great, but requires either you have a bunch of servers doing video compression with FFmpeg (not cheap) or get ripped off by commercial solutions like on2 and sorenson that actually do the compression client side.

If Expression Media Encoder can allow compression to be done client side without licensing fees per encoding I think there will be many content publishers who choose it over flash just from a cost perspective. I really hope it includes this as it could be the #1 way to find sites suddenly using it instead of flv.

Will

Siverlight (aka WPF/E) announced

Development on a Shoestring — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:42:54 GMT

Microsoft has taken the covers off it’s high-def Flash competitor, Silverlight. The browser plugin is available for Windows & Mac for IE, Safari & Firefox (but not Opera for some reason). It’s still only the February WPF...

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

James Keong Chen — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:27:26 GMT

Anyone notice that silverlight.com is pointing to Apple?

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Adam Reynolds — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:24:39 GMT

RIA = Rich Internet Application NOT Rich Interactive Applications

You can't just take an industry wide understood acronym and change it.

Anybody know any applications which are not interactive?

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Colin Brookes — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:53:02 GMT

"Anybody know any applications which are not interactive?"

... actually, Microsoft application half the time ... :)

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Dave Mennenoh — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:25:20 GMT

The video on the silverlight site doesn't play for me. I see no silverlight content to compare to Flash either. Based on .net? Ick... So a bunch of .net developers have a new toy. So what? I certainly see no Flash killer here. Might be a great tool, but I highly doubt you'll have many Flashers jumping ship to this.

Microsoft Silverlight Is Here.

From The Northern Edge Of Microsoft — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:49:58 GMT

As we head towards MIX Microsoft has announced our new rich media / interactive platform for the web

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Jacob — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:30:49 GMT

How can you claim Silverlight enables richer experiences when its mostly an attempt to replace current technology? There doesnt seem to be anything much more rich or interactive about it over what we already can do.

Additionally, I agree with the other comments that changing the acronym for RIA is a bit haughty.

Way to be like Sony.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

David — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:40:43 GMT

Good, a very inspiring product name. Can we expect a rebranding of the full-blown WPF coming as well? "Silverlight™ Ultimate" for the ultimate experience... :)

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DVD — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:48:54 GMT

Is this going to do anything for high data websites? Will it give me the power to display millions of records at a time at blazing fast speeds? What benefits?

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Matt — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:19:57 GMT

Doesn't work on OS X 10.4.9's Safari, yesterday's build of WebKit, or Firefox 2.0.0.1. How do I report bugs?

Microsoft SilverLight has been unveiled to the public

MSDN Webcasts Weblog — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:42:05 GMT

Soma Somasegar has posted a blog post on his blog on the release of WPF/E, now known as Microsoft SilverLight.

Microsoft SilverLight has been unveiled to the public

RSS It All — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:01:03 GMT

Soma Somasegar has posted a blog post on his blog on the release of WPF/E, now known as Microsoft SilverLight

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Andre — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:40:30 GMT

I bet after Adblock and Flashblock the next add-on for Firefox will be Silverlightblock.

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richard — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:02:32 GMT

We use both Windows and Linux at our operations. Is there a plan to have Silverlight work on Linux as well? If not we will stick with Flash. I thought the whole deal with Novell was to improve cooperation between Windows and Linux in mixed environments? I was also surprised that the new windows media player plug in for Firefox didn't include a version for Linux! If Microsoft is going to want to please customers they are going to have to think a little more ahead.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

What — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:06:06 GMT

This is a Flash killer? Are you kidding?

The example on the main page are laughable.

Nice scrollbar on page #2 with the videos.

The arrows don't even work.

The code editor looses the mouse if you drag outside

the divider bar. Bush league.

If you think I'll trade in ActionSript for XAML you are

smoking some serious weed.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Michael Gannotti — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:53:13 GMT

I am very excited about this, particularly the video features and the rich interaction with SharePoint via the Interactive Media Manager. I hope we will see a proliferation of tools designed for various technical levels so that everyone can play ;-)

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standards — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:12:50 GMT

"Enhance existing standards"

That quote makes me shudder, given Microsoft's history of "enhancing" existing web standards. Looks like Silverlight will be the IE of the Flash world.

-Carlos

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andyed — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:53:06 GMT

>>If you think I'll trade in ActionSript for XAML you are

If they let you do C# , which I don't see why not, then it will make ActionScript look like a cheap toy.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

EpsDel — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:44:42 GMT

Cross platform... right. Does it work on Linux? No.

Your definition of cross platform is extremely wide.

2 desktop platforms = cross platform.

SilverLight

Bart Wessels' Blog — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:54:14 GMT

De halve wereld heeft er al een post aan gewaagd, maar nu vond ik een streaming filmpje: Video: Microsoft®...

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Wtf — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:04:59 GMT

>> If they let you do C# , which I don't see why not, then it will make ActionScript look like a cheap toy.

Not if it isn't integrated into an IDE right on the timeline

where you are working.

THAT is what they are up against. Not the language itself.

I can work with or without a timeline but ALOT of Flash

users are married to a timeline workflow.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Nick — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:29:04 GMT

This looks awesome, but will when will Microsoft release a service pack for vista?

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Nick — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:30:07 GMT

This looks awesome, but when will Microsoft release of service pack for Vista?

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Bola Rotibi — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:51:47 GMT

I thought about posting a shortening my blog, but as there are a few stupid assertions, I decided to keep it in its entirety.

I hadn’t realised that there was a trademark assigned to the acronym RIA. There also appears – as one respondent appears to imply – some sort of unwritten industry law that prevents anyone accurately describing ‘something’ if its description results in forming the acronym RIA or any other well used industry term! I can not help feel that this kind of purist ownership of acronyms is nonsense. Rich Interactive Applications is as valid as Rich Internet Application as is Really Ineffective Applications. What separates them is meaning and context.

In our report on the topic, Ovum defines Rich Interactive Applications as

"applications that combine the light touch and ubiquity of a web application with the interactivity and functionality of a desktop app and offers a consistent and effective user experience, both online and offline across a variety of devices and networks."

From what I understand of the technology, concept and strategy behind Silverlight and the demos that I have seen, Microsoft is right to describe Silverlight as a rich interactive application. Of course they are not the only ones in the game, Adobe, Tibco and others have products that fit the description of a rich interactive application.

Interactivity’ is actually as important as ‘Internet’ - in some cases more. Why? Because in my opinion, it is closely tied to the notion of user experience and engagement. Nor is it bound since it explicitly states interaction irrespective of the format. Interactivity is also defined by the Oxford English dictionary from the perspective of computers or electronic devices, as allowing a two way flow of information between it and a user, responding to the user’s input. Fairly clear cut, especially when you consider the fact that not all Rich Internet Applications are interactive. In fact a vast number are no more than just rich presentation interfaces (eye candy etc.) and are not interactive.

I welcome Microsoft’s latest product Silverlight as I do Adobe’s Apollo because they herald the next wave of ‘next generation applications’ where the focus is on the user experience and more thought is given to the effectiveness of that interaction and the context in which it occurs.

Silverlight, based on the technology and the strategy being pushed by Microsoft has a lot to offer. And while clearly a lot of work has gone into its development – a noteworthy achievement considering the starting point – it is still an early version. Clearly there is room for improvement. Once more of the community use it in anger the holes will become apparent and Microsoft will need to be quick to rectify them if it is to reach the credibility level it requires.

When all said and done, there are plenty of Microsoft users who expect the company to provide them with products that are both current and allow them to leverage the latest technologies. There will also be plenty of non Microsoft customers who might just want an alternative to what is already out there. Maybe they are not as enamoured of competitor products – shocking I know.

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andyed — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:28:06 GMT

>Not if it isn't integrated into an IDE right on the timeline

>where you are working.

I have never been comfortable with the timeline approach. Does Apollo use a timeline ?

>?THAT is what they are up against. Not the language itself.

I think the point for me is that if SilverLight lets me code against it in C# then it is a killer. Right now it is simply not rich enougth without that.

"WPF/E" es ahora Microsoft Silverlight

Noticias — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:09:31 GMT

"WPF/E", el nuevo plugin de navegador creado por Microsoft para la nueva generación de aplicaciones

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Just the facts Ma'am — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:09:17 GMT

The main Silverlight page is vague, and I would agree with calling it hype.

I downloaded the video and expected to find a demonstration of the technology in action.

Instead I was presented with this stinger of guys swirling around on skateboards, and people pretending to use 'Minority Report' style interfaces floating in free space. No sign of anything remotely approaching concrete technology being described or demonstrated.

I am none the wiser. Can we have some information about the technology please?

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Elko — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:32:01 GMT

Crossbrowser without Opera looks like a stupid idea, did opera dont like the Plugin because of security-flaws? Or is it Microsofts next target?

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siep — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:52:32 GMT

just downloaded and installed the .dmg like the instructions said, restarted FF2/mac and safari, and i get this blank area on the silverlight page. nice work guys.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Forest Key — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:33:37 GMT

Elko, re: Opera, the plan IS to support Opera... schedule and specifics will be announced as soon as we finalize.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

FTeR — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:19:58 GMT

here are some demos: http://channel9.msdn.com/playground/wpfe/

a saw them on the silverlight page earlier, but i cant find them now.

the "Page Turner" and the "Grand Piano" are my favorites :)

the "WPF/E Pad" can give some hint how this stuff works.

silverlight is a browser plugin implementation of the WPF presented in Vista and .Net3.0, and this almost tell everything.

it's an xml based markup language like html or ASP. vector based graphic (there is a plan for 3D support). programmable thru javascirpt (sl integrates into the html DOM) and will be programmable tru C# or VB, thx to the little CLR they'll implement.

getting started: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb190632.aspx

qucikstart: http://channel9.msdn.com/go/wpfe/quickstarts/

(i think there is some problem with the verions on the page, it want to use a very early version)

i think designing with SL is as easy as with html (using notepad). so, if SL only know as many effects/features as flash, than SL would still be a better choice. even with apollo, flash still a hard thing.

with SL there are still the better integration to html and the little CLR. action script simply can't be compared to C# (or VB).

i hope the mono team or novell will make the linux version of sl.

i might add, it is an unusual thing from ms to chose such a meaningless name as silverlight for a product.

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

FTeR — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:48:07 GMT

oops, with apollo i ment Flex ;)

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

FTeR — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:32:48 GMT

oh, i got it.

there was no sl runtime on my new vista :D

that was the version problem, and this is the answer to why i cant saw the demos :)

sry

re: Silverlight - The next generation web experiences

Shripad — Tue, 01 May 2007 03:07:46 GMT

Ha!! Crossplatform did Microsoft test this with XP I tried the sample link http://silverlight.net/fox/ which microsoft gave using firefox and you start to tons of errror messages I understant its beta but I think it is not good enogh to be alha release also

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