MIX '08 - The Next Web Now

MIX '08 - The Next Web Now — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:59:23 GMT

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Mark Gordon — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:06:42 GMT

Hi Again!

When I build an application I can clearly explain the benefits of the implementation I decide to use. I'm rather disappointed you did not fill my request and blog about the advantages of a VS.NET desktop application over VFP. Is perhaps the reason for the silence due to the fact there really are no benefits for medium and small companies, the ONLY benefit of moving to VS.BLOAT are purely for Microsoft?

I suppose it was easier for you to tell the IT reporter programmers just don't want to learn a new language so they are complaining instead of the truth -- there is no benefit in VS worth the cost and headache of migrating which is why we are complaining. It is obvious MSFT failed with VS since to get programmer's to use this tool you had to Kill VB and VFP with total disregard for us and our customers. Isn't that kind of like playing Marco Polo with Helen Keller then bragging about the fact you won?

Just some thoughts!

Best Regards,

Mark

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Andrew — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:45:41 GMT

The quality of the day 1 keynote live streaming was extremely impressive as was the content. Silverlight 2.0 is a very exciting technology, leveraging the power of .net. It is clear that the toolsets available to us now in VS2008 + Expression offer unprecedented power for web development. Our challenge is being smart enough to get the best out of it.

A great time to be an MS Developer!

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re: MIX '08 - The Next Web Now

some guy with sense — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:47:20 GMT

@Mark

Have you heard the word "adapting"???

@Somasegar

Three cheers for the Silverlight team.. awesome product!!

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Mark Gordon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:09:27 GMT

I have adapted when there is something worth adapting too. Having a background in c++ when VFP went OOP in version 3.0 I made the switch. When VB 6.0 came out I jumped on that as well. I was more productive with these tools which lead to cost saving to my customers.

Unfortunately in .NET there's no benefit, besides a much higher cost of ownership and many features available in VB 6 or VB 9 are missing or requires ALOT more code to implement. So why would I willingly want to switch, it makes no sense. Apparently since there are 15,000 + signatures on the VB and VFP petitions I’m not alone.

Just to give you a short list, there are numerous problems with .N-TIER application development when creating middle tier components even with Linq, inheritance is poorly implemented and visual control inheritance is non-existent in the class browser. Not too mention a true data centric language is missing in VS. Everyone talks about web forms but native data binding is missing and the designers deliver poorly designed code, logic that belongs in the middle or data tier is just thrown into the UI. The communication foundation is not compatible with older soap libraries. WPF doesn’t even have a native data grid. This package is really pathetic! M$ took away the “BEST” toolkits they ever developed and left us with an inferior product in return.

I’m tired of all the people on the .NET bandwagon because it is new and hip. This product will not get any better if people keep cheerleading and ignoring the harsh reality of the situation. I do applaud M$ for their ability to spin mediocrity. Too bad their development group is not as good as their marketing departments.

.Mark

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someone — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:01:16 GMT

Hey Soma, I'd asked earlier whether MS would be producing any more service packs for Visual Studio .NET 2003 and .NET Framework 1.1 and had been told "no. I wish to acquire some hotfixes for both products and since both products are under mainstream support till October 2008, why does MS require users to call MS Support Services to obtain a hotfix/rollup. Requiring to call MS support for acquiring a hotfix should only be required when the product moves to extended support. It would be convenient if MS either made a final service pack or at least made the hotfixes available by email instead of paid assisted support.

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John — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:15:30 GMT

I'm extremely disappointed that Silverlight 2.0 still requires a CPU with SSE instructions, leaving out older Pentium and Athlon systems. Flash, Windows Media Player, and the .NET Framework all work fine without SSE -- there's no technical reason why Silverlight couldn't work too.

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Express edition — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:30:31 GMT

It would be great to see Expression Studio, Express edition.

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MegP_MS — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:26:50 GMT

To answer the question about hotfixes for Visual Studio 2003 and .NET Fx1.1, Visual Studio 2003 SP1 and .NET Framework 1.1 SP1 are the last planned Service Pack releases for those products. Any new issues are addressed via Hotfix and GDR releases, including of course any Security Updates for those products.

As you pointed out, VS 2003 and .NET 1.1 are currently in mainstream support (described at http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#Phases%20of%20the%20Support%20Lifecycle">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/#Phases%20of%20the%20Support%20Lifecycle) which means every product update is always free, includes all Hotfixes, GDR’s, Security Updates, and Service Packs. If you can share the Hotfixes you are interested in we may be able to post them on our Hotfix self-serve Connect site, otherwise they can be obtained through Microsoft Product Support services at http://support.microsoft.com.

The Hotfix Connect site at https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/content/content.aspx?ContentID=3705 provides customers a way to freely download Hotfixes of interest to them. Presently we’ve posted only the most popular Hotfixes receiving higher volumes of calls to Customer Support Services but we’re working on an updated solution that will increase Hotfix download discoverability and make all Visual Studio and .NET Framework Hotfixes freely available to customers. That work is a few months out but we’ll be blogging widely when it becomes available.

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Pablo — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:03:30 GMT

MS perdió una buena cuota del mercado de desarrollo con .net & vs y ahora está perdiendo el tren de la web, y sin atisbos de una reacción adecuada, ese tren se aleja cada día más...

Saludos cordiales

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sathar al karan — Tue, 27 May 2008 09:42:49 GMT

hey som,

I am sathar al karan , now from dubai , doing IT and Online business here . Before 3 years i managed a chat room named 'KERALA CHAT ROOM' in MSN, it was a huge hit and more than 6000 members was there from world wide.Unfortunately MSN banned and removed all chat rooms except US based.We did lot of effort to manage that chat room and spend lot of money also.We arrange a huge get-together here in Dubai for that Chat room.After the ban all people moved to yahoo and other areas like orkut ,paltalk etc.Can you plan to rebuild the same Chat rooms under Msn.Because people loved that structure and feel.

Hope you will discuss about this matter to your team and we expecting a positive move from your side.

regards

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