Lab Management in VSTS 2010

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Etienne MARGRAFF — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:06:40 GMT

I searched a bit on the VS2010 PDC VPC but couldn't find this... When will we be able to test that powerful feature ? :)

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Mark Gordon — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:59:06 GMT

Soma,

Didn't you read the comments on your previous blog from all the satisfied VS C++ developers... What part of those comments did you fail to understand?

Soma we are not frustrated with too much bug “ping/pong” in our applications! We are frustrated with Visual Studio and the .BLOAT framework and having to play "ping/pong" with Microsoft over this lousy VS development environment! We are frustrated with BLOATED development tools that still lack a true N-TIER data centric language.

Soma, as it turns out we had the right tools in 6.0 and Microsoft issued an end of life for that product line. Visual Studio and .BLOAT is far from the "right" tool for most non-enterprise based customers and in most cases is a step in the wrong direction.

Please don't insult us by trying to spin internal development tools you need at Microsoft to get a handle on "your " development efforts as community driven requests.

From Microsoft's perspective as long at the flashy WPF UI is half implemented to create some really cool powerpoint presentation for the VS cheerleaders that speak at devcon to woo newbie developers that is all that matters... I see symbolism or substance is still alive and well at Microsoft!

Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Amit Chatterjee's Blog — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:57:57 GMT

In my last post I had mentioned about the Lab Management Product and also pointed you to a channel 9

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Shay Mandel — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:34:45 GMT

The Lab Management team has a blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/lab_management

Where you can read more about the product and keep updated.

The VSTS CTP did not include the Lab Management piece, which was release a few weeks later to selected customers. If you want to evaluate Lab before the official Beta, visit the blog and send a mail to the team.

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

David Hogan — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:38:44 GMT

I think this feature will lead to some significant quality and productivity increases in team environments. Nice!

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Ponnu — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:44:25 GMT

Very interesting stuff, looking forward to VSTS 2010. Have emailed the VSTS team for the CTP(with Lab Management) details.

Administración de laboratorio en VSTS 2010

Blog de Soma en español — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:09:24 GMT

Publicación del inglés original : Viernes, 12 de diciembre de 2008 5:30 PM PST por Somasegar Uno de los

Help on the Way for Testers with Lab Management in Visual Studio Team System 2010

US ISV Developer Evangelism Team — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:41:18 GMT

You testers tired of continually setting up your test only to find have bug that can't be reproduced?

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Andrew Webb — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:48:31 GMT

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re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Jarilo — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:28:58 GMT

Greate! I think our testers and developers will be happy! Looking forward to VSTS 2010

Somasegar's WebLog : Lab Management in VSTS 2010

adamga's WebLog — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:36:19 GMT

Soma writes about some of the exciting capabilities coming in VSTS 2010, particularly in regards to the

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Alok Kumar — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:45:27 GMT

I am a developer and I am sure this is going to save a lot of time in reproducing the defect, as I will not have to wait on the tester to reproduce a defect at my side. It would be nice if some way we can attach process to the debug the scenario. I hope Microsoft moves in that direction.

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

John — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:25:52 GMT

This could be a very helpful tool for developers and testers. Would like to try this out.

Gordon, what are you trying to prove by living in the past and comparing a primitive and ancient 6.0 version with latest Visual Studio? Which non-enterprise customers are you talking about? I am a non-enterprise customer and I am happy with the latest Visual Studio and its amazing features. Btw, have you heard of the express editions of visual studio?

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Mark Gordon — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:04:10 GMT

@JOHN... Express is limited to 5 users, the applications I develop exceed that limit. If you are not building an enterprise based solution then you are probably not working in a large team environment therefore your excitement about this tool appears to be unfounded and amounts to nothing more then cheerleading.

I’m so tired of people saying Visual Studio is the greatest latest technology it is not funny. Much of the core of .NET is based upon legacy code that has been around forever. EDM is M$FT’S version of an ORM and MVC has already been accomplished in ruby so innovation is nonexistent.

WPF would be worthwhile to implement on the web but it fails there as well given the client must have the .BLOAT framework installed. The funny part is XAML and VFP meta data approach (SCX and VCX files) behind the scenes have a lot more in common then people think the big difference the model worked in VFP for developers and in WPF once again Microsoft is trying to reinvent the wheel and calling it new and developers are buying it.

Having said that considering the pathetic class browser in VS , lack of a “solid” data access strategy and data centric language, I rather live in a “TRUE” RAD productive environment such as VFP / VB then “play” in MSFT most recently released DEV tools and be forced to write more code and technically speaking implement what amounts to true “legacy” code (.NET) which in typical Microsoft fashion has been spun and dressed up to complete their smoke and mirrors development process.

Given the cheerleader thought process is no wonder why Microsoft can get away with this nonsense. Soma probably sits in his office amazed and laughing with what he can get away with. You all are nothing more then his puppets!

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Antonio Sanchez — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:06:30 GMT

@Mark: Could you explain where did you saw or where says that the Express versions of Visual Studio are limited for 5 users? And btw, I think you are missing a really fundamental point on .NET. If you are going to develop a real-time or mission critical app you definately use C++. If you are building a business app or anything else you could use C++, .NET, Java or anything that can get things done. And thats the point, use the big guns for the big job.

The last point you said that you prefer a RAD like VFP or VB I think you dont have the correct aproach on that neither. With VB or VFP is true you can build an app in seconds, but, does it scale? can you call it Enterprise-grade or Business-grade app? I come from VB and the only time I developed that kind of apps where in highschool because a real bussiness app doesn't rely on ADO Data Control or DataConnection or whatever wizard-driven-development-tool produces.

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

SB — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:05 GMT

@mark gordon: whats up with this "cheerleading" statements that you come up with in every post? you need to cut the crap and describe scientifically what you are talking about. None of your posts have anything "substantial" to say to rest of the readers - except your whining and cheerleading of ancient technology that doesnt scale or provide any security. who cares if you can build a cheap RAD application with VFP or VB. can it scale or provide the security needed for applications today? VB by the way has no principals of OOP. how can you maintain apps developed using VB today? it seem that you are lost or stunned by the progress thats going on in recent times and refuse to move along.

and yes, soma is must be laughing - at you and your lame comments!

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Antonio Sanchez — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:10:59 GMT

I think we might just ignore him. Has anyone read his blog, http://dotbloat.blogspot.com? I'm really starting to believe he is just another RAD fanboy who loves wizards and non-OOP languages.

I would point out his post Septic Tank Trucks VS The Benz (http://dotbloat.blogspot.com/2008/11/microsoft-cheerleaders.html). He has no idea of what he is talking about.

For example "1) Cost Of Ownership: Visual Basic and Visual FoxPro both could be distributed royality free and the hardware necessary to run these applications is less then a Visual Studio/SQL Server solution so a lower cost of ownership exists with a VB/VFP based solution.", Im starting to think that he is just another VB+MSAccess fanboy or VFP religion pope.

In resume, just crap not a single well-thought comment based on facts.

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Antonio Sanchez — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:21:17 GMT

BTW, I really doubt his presumptions: "Expert Programmer - Visual Studio, SQL Server, Java, C++, Visual Basic and Visual FoxPro. Specializing in object oriented n-tier application development and framework architecture.".

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Someeee — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:32:07 GMT

http://www.robertwray.co.uk/blog/2008/02/delusional-ramblings-of-an-ang.html

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Erik Cox — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:22:07 GMT

I am a tester and when you said that "testers don’t get the right tools and right attention and after spending 30-50% of their test cycle time on test setup..."...well you were half right..the 1st part is 100% true --we don't get the right tools....but the cycle time spending is more like 40-60% at least! And as a tester I am more than looking forward to

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Lab Management with VSTS

Mike Vincent's Blog — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 03:56:22 GMT

Development, Test and Build/Release need clean environments for deployment. For complex multi-tier applications

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

James — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:36:35 GMT

Is trial version for Lab Management in VSTS 2010 available.can i get more information on this please.

re: Lab Management in VSTS 2010

Somasegar — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:57:06 GMT

Hi James,

When we ship a Beta of VSTS 2010 this year, we will also make a Beta of Lab Management available for you to try out.

Thanks,

Somasegar

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