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First round of Questions and Answers

Tuesday was an exciting day for the team, and more importantly, for the industry. I think one of the best responses I got from someone was that they “stood up from their chair and did a dance of joy”.

Here is the first round of questions I have received and the answers you are looking for.

 

 

How will existing accounts be migrated over to the new version?

We haven’t worked out all the details yet, but our current plans are to send invites to all registered users when we launch the CTP by mid-year 2009.

 

Are we losing some BASE capabilities to grant ACID capabilities?

The whole theory behind BASE (basically available, soft state, eventually consistent) is to gain scalability at the cost of consistency. We have always supported full ACID capabilities in the service and will continue to do so.

 

Are we losing scalability or partition support to guarantee consistency?

The short answer is no. The foundation of SDS has not changed. All of the guarantees around scalability and consistency still apply. In the ACE model, each authority had one or more containers with each container being the unit of consistency for query and update.  The new SDS model hasn’t changed this if you think of each authority now being a server and each container a database.  You now get the richness of the T-SQL model over your databases!

 

When? or to quote JamieT  “When do I get to party on this new service”?

We’re on track to deliver a public CTP mid-calendar year 2009 and ship in the second half of calendar year 2009.

 

If Microsoft can deliver on the features for SQL Data Services (SDS) announced today then they have set the bar for SQL and Cloud database vendors

Yes, we believe we have.

 

Will SDS support Database Encryption (certificate and key management).  Any support for row level versioning?

Database encryption? Not initially, but it’s on the list and as we have demonstrated – if there is sufficient customer demand, it will be one of the first things we add after v1. As far as row level versioning, this can mean a few different things. Do we support statement level snapshot transactions? Yes. Do we support Change Data Capture? It is still being evaluated.

 

The blog entry states “If it works with SQL Server, it will largely work with SQL Data Services.”. That word “largely” bothers me a little – it suggests the functionality is going to be reduced slightly. Details please?

We will be providing documentation soon on what is and is not supported in SDS. I’ll post an entry to the blog once the guidance is available and you can also keep an eye out for it on our MSDN Dev Center. But, to answer the question – We say *largely* due to the fact that there are things that just don’t apply in a cloud based world like setting the location of a data or log file or making server wide configuration changes.  In v1 we expect to deliver a surface area that will support the vast majority of SQL Server database applications.

 

What artificial limits will be in place?

The database size will be capped. We are still evaluating what the cap will be, but the plan is to ensure that the allowed database size supports most, if not all, departmental and web application workloads.

 

Do we have to pay per instance, per MB of storage or per bandwidth usage?

The pricing options and levels are still being finalized.

 

Will it be SQL Server 2005 or 2008? Enterprise or Standard?

The core engine is based on the SQL Server 2008 technology foundation.   The feature set does not map to a specific SQL Server SKU – in fact you should think of the service as its own SKU.

 

Will we be able to connect to our cloud instances from SQL Server Management Studio (SSMS)? And will we be able to buy just the client tools without an on-premises server license?

Our plans are to support SSMS, but it might be a requirement to install a new version or a hotfix or two. As far as buying just the client tools, using SSMS Express is a great option. You can find out more info here.

 

Will replication between instances be offered to aid with Business Intelligence?

Not initially. After you start working with the service let us know what functionality to include or scenarios to support. We want to hear from you!

 

Will you offer hosted SSIS/SSAS/SSRS?

It’s on the product roadmap, but I can’t comment on specifics or timing.

 

The blog entry states that only SQL Server authentication (username/password) will be offered initially. Can we assume that eventually the Microsoft Services Connector will be used to offer Windows Authentication?

Post v1 you can expect a more robust authentication story. I can’t discuss implementation details yet.

 

Will we have the option to expose a REST head using ADO.NET Data Services as part of SDS’s offerings (i.e. at the flip of a switch) or will we have to implement ADO.NET Data Services separately ourselves on Windows Azure?

During the v1 timeframe you will need to implement this yourself on the Azure Services Platform.  This approach is very similar to using ADO.NET Data Services against  an on-premises SQL Server.  There are many key capabilities of the framework that you specify (security, etc.) and so this does require some coding.

 

You say, you will no longer support the ACE model since Windows Azure has the same data model. If I’m going to put my application in Windows Azure (as I did) my best option for data is SDS, right? As I understood, Microsoft’s approach for cloud computing was Windows Azure as the platform for developers and SDS to store the data. And now you say I can use Windows Azure storage… what’s the difference? What’s the path to follow?

The  best storage option for an Azure Services Platform application depends on your application. At a very high level, if you require the features of a relational database, use SDS. If you require basic blob or “schemaless” storage, then Windows Azure Storage is for you.  Both will be key capabilities available to developers in the overall Azure Services platform.

 

Will the new SDS features support accessing SQL Server in the Cloud using LINQ to Entities and the ADO.NET Entity Framework?

It will work based on our client library story.  Interop through ADO.NET is one of our top scenarios.

 

I just finished reading the latest post on Data Platform Insider Blog. It says that customers who wish to use REST based interfaces to SDS can do it through customized ADO.NET Data Services. Does this mean that customers can consume the REST based ADO.NET Data Services through any platform?

Yes that is correct. I would also like to point out that we have drivers for SQL Server to work with most popular development stacks like PHP, Java and Ruby. Those drivers work with SDS as well.

 

Your latest blog posting says that the ACE model will no longer be supported – I guess you are referring to the SDS storage, does this also include the Windows Azure sStorage?

These announcements do not affect Windows Azure Storage in any way. That is still a key foundational piece of the Azure Services Platform.

 

How can an existing applications based on the ACE model be migrated to the newer version?

There is no direct migration path from the ACE based SDS to the relational based SDS. What you can do, however, is use the existing SSIS adaptor to move the data from your containers down to tables within a SQL Server or SQL Server Express database and then start using all of the relational features in the product. When the CTP of SDS goes live mid-calendar year, just deploy your schema and database to SDS via the available tools (e.g. Visual Studio)

 

Does Windows Azure Storage and SDS both use SQL Server under the hood? Is there really a difference between the two storage options?

 I don’t have all the details on how Windows Azure Storage works under the hood, but these are two distinct storage options of the Azure Services Platform – similar to the difference between saving data to your local file system and saving it to a database.

 

 

With ADO.NET Data Services compatibility, do you mean I can work against the System.Data.SqlClient and in the theory only change my connection string to switch between a local database and SDS?

That’s exactly what I mean. Pretty cool isn’t it?

 

 

 

Published Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:38 AM by davidrob

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# SQL Data Services новые подбробности

После того как анонсировали поддержку обычной реляционной модели вместо ACE подхода. Сразу возникло множество

Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:27 AM by Константин Косинский

# SQL Data Services comincia a fare sul serio

La nuova versione (ancora CTP) di SQL Data Services fornirà funzionalità analoghe a quelle di SQL Server

Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:52 PM by Marco Russo

# re: First round of Questions and Answers

There appears to be a conflict between your answer regarding encryption:

"Database encryption? Not initially, but it’s on the list and as we have demonstrated – if there is sufficient customer demand, it will be one of the first things we add after v1."

and Niraj Nagrani’s response in http://visualstudiomagazine.com/blogs/weblog.aspx?blog=3577:

"We are looking into the type of workload and requirements for row-level security and column-level security and based on the requirements, we will actually enable those features."

Of course, Niraj didn’t say when the team “will actually enable those features."

However, if SDS v1 doesn't support at least column-level encryption and private key management, in my view it won't pass any security audit and probably won't be usable by most entriprises.

--rj

Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:49 PM by rogerj

# 新しいSQL Data Servicesに対するFAQ その1

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# re: First round of Questions and Answers

Keep up the good work David - is it to early to tell if cross database TSQL joins will be supported (Within the same 'server')?

This would make migration a snap (at least for me)...

Friday, March 13, 2009 1:53 AM by James Andrews

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Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:56 AM by Contagious Curiosity

# re: First round of Questions and Answers

Excellent response guys.  One more question - any plans to support connecting using/via SMO (ok, a long shot)?  

I suppose that's a similar question (and perhaps answer) to asking about SSMS support..(?)

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:09 AM by AusRob

# re: First round of Questions and Answers

"The database size will be capped."

When I read this a big flag is raised somewhere in my brain!

I know you can't say the projected size limit. So I'll ask it in a way that does not force you to break some sort of bond of silence punishable by death.

What do think is currently the average size of a departmental or a web database? You should have not problem answering this as I'm sure you have all kinds of metrics currently on the subject, and no, neither I nor anyone else can take this to mean that this is the cap for SDS.

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:51 PM by Mitmar

# re: First round of Questions and Answers

Operational Realities of the Cloud

1. The database is slow please fix ....

How would this question be answered in the Cloud ? Today I know technically how to answer this as I have full access to the environment (OS , Perfmon, Profiler, SQL etc)

ie it could be poor code  / lack of indexes or god forbid a resource constraint on the Cloud Server . Obviously I could use Missing Index DMV's / Perf reports in 2008 etc

Ie normally I might want to run Profiler / SQL Diag during slowness to see big hitters in terms of duration, CPU, Reads etc workload for a given period.

How would I do this in Cloud ?

2. Mainting Dev, Staging, Prod

Will we be able to synch Staging from Prod for example. Ie do a db restore from Prod to Staging which is nice to do so you have realistic data.

Obviously can do this at object level from a client outside the Clound but not very performant.

Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:11 AM by andyjball@hotmail.com

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