What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

danieldsmith — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:13:56 GMT

Just think how much easier life will be when you eventually stop making 32-bit versions of Windows and everyone moves over to 64-bit :-)

You guys should totally do this for "Windows 7"!

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

colinizer — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:12:58 GMT

We tried SP1 last week and uninstalled shortly afterwards due to a few issues. We could have probably resolved these, and the upgrade is very attractive, but too risky in a live development environment at the moment without time to troubleshoot little issues.

The industry is currently in that window where it's not clear if new machine's come with SP1 or an upgrade is required. This affects things like whether it's necessary to manually add the mime types to IIS as you mentioned 2 posts ago.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

colinizer — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:16:32 GMT

@danieldsmith

In looking at new machines lately we considred 64-bit vista, but a quick google shows some of the issues that make the 64-bit choice one that is better suited to servers than developer workstations.

Perhaps the fact that there's a choice, reduces the motivation to get these things sorted, so perhaps Windows 7 being 64-bit only will give it the final push, albeit with some switching pains, if not a lot of software upgrade revenue for ISVs.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Steven H — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:40:59 GMT

I installed it, installer asked to reboot, I let it - machine comes up and falls back over.

god only knows what went wrong but after installing sp1 my machine would not boot again, not even in safe mode.

I spent a considerable amount of what would have been billable time (I am a software developer) massaging my laptop back to life.

if it wasnt for my paranoia of keeping backups of my enviroment I would still be spending more billable time getting my development enviroment back to life.

This experience directly contrasts with a work colleauge of mine installing SP1 and not having any problems what so ever.

Having said that, god help the poor sods who dont have the tools to massage their computers back to life and need to take their new computers back to their supplier.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Tomas S — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:00:09 GMT

I am waiting for "the second wave" as my vista language is not in the first one. Why first and second waves of translations? It cannot be the (for example) Swedish translators (second wave) being occupied translating to Spanish or German (first wave).

Second wave is coming "later in 2008" is what I have heard. Hopefully "2008" is _not_ calendar year, but "microsoft year" (ending in april?).

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

davidn — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:18:44 GMT

@colinizer

I've been using the x64 version for my main development system since it was still in beta. VS2005 now VS2008. Real problems so far = zero.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

vista user — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:41:17 GMT

Really looking forward to the file copy improvements and less aggressive UAC.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Joel — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:20:10 GMT

Tried Vista... WAAAAY too slow. Tried Vista SP1, but now have strange crashes in network applications after sleep mode. Definitely NOT ready for prime time. :(

So I upgraded to Vista SP1 last night

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:46:39 GMT

As you probably heard Vista SP1 was released to Windows Update on Tuesday.   Full list of updates

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

amrlafi — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:08:47 GMT

caution : SP1 sucks !! installed it twice and i got a complete system failure

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Dave D — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:34:08 GMT

Windows 7 as x64 only? No, not yet. I use Vista x64 and am very happy with it. It is definitely a solid product that, for me, has exhibited excellent compatibility with both my hardware and software. The problem is simply that you need a 64 bit core to run it. There are still too many slightly older machines that are plenty fast enough to run Vista and presumably Windows 7 (like my P4 3.4Ghz Extreme machine at home), but simply cannot run x64 since they are missing the EM64T extensions. Eventually, these machines will go away, but not by 2010. I do think, however, that Microsoft should market x64 as the preferred edition of Windows and insist to vendors that they pre-install x64 versions of Windows 7 on all new machines capable of running it. This should be enough to get the tide moving toward an x64 only world by the following Windows release.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

danvy — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:05:42 GMT

Hi Tim,

Could you tell us the reason why .net Framework 3.5 wasn't included in Windows Vista SP1 ? Is it as simple as a timeframe problem ?

I installed Windows Vista SP1 on two machines now and I don't get more problems with it, and not a lot less too ;-)

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Mehfuz Hossain — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:29:16 GMT

Hey,

One thing that came to mind, that there should some adaptive UAC, like you grant one application to UAC to run in full control , it wont popup any more unless significant attributes of that applicaton changed ? Will there be any such improvements to UAC like that?

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Seifer — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:20:48 GMT

@ Mehfuz Hossain

There are too many variables involved in creating an adaptive UAC like you described. For instance, you may have an application that you're confident is safe, but displays questionable activity in the presense of a live network. Running this application once while the network is disabled is safe enough, however, simply enabling the network will change nothing in terms of the application. You wouldn't want UAC to allow the application to run again later if the network is alive.

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

eric burke — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:23:27 GMT

tim -- i installed VS 2008 and .NET 3.5 and my mscorlib build number is 1433, not 1434. what is different in the SP1 mscorlib and that which was in the 3.5 install?

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Windows Vista Support — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:26:05 GMT

Hi..

Can any body tell me is there any short of other prerequisite updates before SP1. As i am not able to get along with the SP1 Update…

Any help provided is appriciable

Thanks in advance

re: What does Windows Vista SP1 Mean for Developers?

Klaus Graefensteiner — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:27:34 GMT

Hi Tim,

have you seen any problems with IE 7 connecting to the ASP.NET webserver (VS 2005 SP1 + KB932232). I am running Vista x64 Ultimate SP 1. Debugging an ASP.NET web site opens IE 7, but it fails to load the web pages. The funny thing is, that Firefox 2.0 connects fine to the VS web server and loads the site.

Thanks,

Klaus

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