TipTalk: from Microsoft At Home & At Work

While I use this feature most of the time on my personal notebook, I cant use that on my business one. On startup our software management gives us the newest software and I wouldnt get that from hibernate mode.

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It's still a good idea to save all data first. Open files can go bad if there is a problem going into or comming out of hibernation.

It's also good to reboot every so often to allow the PC to clean its self from hibernation.

Get tip to get you into Hibernate mode, what about getting out of hibernate mode?  I used to do that with another computer, but it would only come out of hibernate if a special key on my keyboard was depressed.  It eventually stopped working so I stopped using the hibernate option.  If there is another way to revive the hibernating computer then please let me know.  

I used to do that too, every day.  Hibernate is great, when it works.

Hibernate has had bugs in it when you have a gig of RAM or more.   I had to get a hotfix patch to Windows xp, in order to get that to even work (1.5gb ram).  

Sometimes I click 'Hibernate', and the OS tries to hibernate but cannot.  I think it depends on what is currently running.  Some apps or services, I guess, are not 'hibernate-friendly'.  When it fails this way, the choice 'hibernate' drops off the list of shut down choices--only to return after next reboot.

When hibernate fails to un-hibernate... then you lose everything, as if you just turned it off.

I found it safer, and less aggravating, to buy a new, faster PC.  A clean hard drive goes a long way to speeding up the reboot process.

It used to take 15 minutes to reboot, on a laptop (100gb HD@7200rpm, 1.5gb ram, centrino 2.0 2MB cache).   Now it takes under 1 minute, (under 2, if you count launching outlook).  The new machine is a desktop P4 3.2 dualcore, 2GB ram, raid 1 OS, raid 0 data.

The desktop was cheaper by $1000.

 I think thhis is a "neat" idea and saaaves the "fiddling" on the morning start up.

Thanks for the tip.     Herb

It is not neccesary to hold down the shift key when the "turn off computer" screen comes up.  Simply hit the "h" key and hibernation will happen (prividing it is properly set in power options, as explained).

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How about using msconfig.exe to disable programs that launch at startup?

Using Hibernation is a nice stopgap measure when you need quicker bootup.  But that does not address the underlying issue.  If your computer takes that long to boot then you probably have not enough RAM for the applications you use.

If adding more RAM is impractical, then eliminate unnecessary services and startup programs.  The built-in msconfig applet makes it easy to turn off unwnated startup modules and services (click Start... Run... type 'msconfig', then click OK).

Be certain to defragment your drive frequently.

Also you should have an expert examine your disk interface driver and BIOS settings to ensure the drive is communicating at its highest speed.  Have your expert check virtual memory settings, and generally clean up unwanted files and registry settings, too.

These measures can handily make your computer boot three times faster, and generally run twice as fast.

Consider substituting smaller programs for the memory hogs you are currently using.  For instance, I have found that some antivirus programs require much less memory and CPU time than others.  After right-sizing programs for given memory amount, the computer boot time is almost as short as returning from hibernation.

Back in Windows 3.1 days, my 66 MHz 80486 would boot in 7 seconds!  Today my 3.0 GHz hyperthreaded P4 takes nearly 30 seconds.  That is too long for me.  I can't imagine waiting 10 minutes.  Get some help!

i need some help with the new ie7. i'm not sure if i have it setup right. when i open a window or when i open a website i'm getting a all white window & it takes 4 ever to open all the way. also i'm having trouble playing games from some sites & cd games i have. please help me now b4 i mess everything up & have to reformat. i am tried of having too. i am so confused i don't know what to do anymore.  

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Unfortunately, if you hibernate your computer each time instead of booting down, Windows XP does not have an opportunity to make a backup of the system registry.  I hibernate my computer during the day, but at night, I make sure to shut down my computer.

David Bailey, MCP

I do not know my URL. I am having many problems with my PC. I am a new comer to the computer world and am having difficulty trying to fix my 173 registry ERRORS.  When I click on to a Registry Cleaner, they scan my computer, then tell me here & how many errors, then tell me I must give them my Credit Card #'s to buy a clean up.  I do not even have a credit card.  How can I repair my PC free?????  Can you help me???  I'm paying a lot of money for an internet access that I can't even get to.

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I don't use hilbernate - next best thing is standby.

I want to tell you about more effective method – Stand by. With it you can resume Windows for about 5 seconds because data (running apps and services) is written to RAM but not to HDD.

you can hibernate faster by holding down the fn key and pressing f1.

I have been using Hibernate for a long time with no problems.

I have a Microsoft wireless keyboard and set up the sleep button to Hibernate.

I did learn two other ways from this

tip on how to turn start Hibernate.

Iput my computer in standby mode for 30 min. then it goes into hibernation.Is any thing wrong with that? Iam farely new with computers, someone let me know if I`amm doing something wrong.

                           Thank you

                                bill

This thread deals with hibernate, I know, but I prefer "Standby". The only thing is that I don't know if Standby actually shuts down my Regular and (connected) External Hardrives.

I hope it does, but would appreciate someone who knows letting me know if it does or if I'm just fooling my self that it does.

Thanx, John

To do this, Do I have to have your K-Board or Vista?

Very good thing ,which i was missing till now. Thanx for this

I use standby overnight, seems to be good. What is the difference between hibernate and standby ?   Jim

Oh my god, just use "stand by" - it never fails! This powers down the computer to a minimun and does not need to boot. Go into the "control panel", then "performance and maintenance", then "power options". You should customize this to your needs.

Maybe it work! But do u know that it raises your energy cost! Making your PC running all night long will also harms to PC... Just my opinions.Try using msconfig.exe to disable programs that launch at startup or use some tuneup tools, that may help.

The hibernation Solutions works. spiffy.

Put the computer on standby, when you want it to start back up, tap ctrl key or something to tell the computer "I want on." takes a couple to turn stuff back on.

During standby, the HDD is primarily shut down, and the ram is being refreshed so that the data is not lost. Usually, you are returned back to your desktop like nothing happened.

You may want to disable the movement of the mouse for standby wakeup. In case a janitor, or cat, bumps the desk or mouse.

But, in the end, everything depends on your needs, like rendering, I wouldn't have much of anything startup except for the render processes. If your rendering, it would be best to allow the CPU to be used to its maximum extent, like disabling virus scanners during rendering will decrease render times.

If in a business, opening Outlook and Powerpoint and various other things; these can take a good deal of time just because it has to load all of that data from the hard drive to the RAM. It would be faster to defragment, then manually launch each program individually. This saves on time a little, and on the HDD so the actuators are not trying to feed 5 or 6 programs data from various sectors all across the cylinders. Average seek time of a modern HDD at 7200 RPM is about >10ms (or 0.1 seconds or more [depends on HDD size]): multiply this to however many programs that are requesting data, and you get a lot of wasted internal bandwidth.

Sure, hibernate is good if you want to power down the PC, but in all truth, a PC in standby (or idle) uses next to no power. The monitors on the other hand are the real electricity hogs   (and running a process that uses 100% of CPU).

Personally, I would just shut it down at night. PCs run better when it is a cold boot because the system has cooled off, and no ram is allocated and not in use (Windows automatically allocates some RAM at startup).

Example:

If you leave a router (or Internet modem) on for months, your connection will slow down. This is a fact. To fix this, usually just restarting it will make it work faster.

If rendering, (if possible) save it for night-time, that way your day-time work isn't hampered.

Or...

You could utilize the Scheduled Tasks and have it startup all your programs that you would otherwise do manually (after turning your PC on). Like Powerpoint, Word, Excel, Openoffice.org, 3ds Max, Maya, Blender,  Outlook, Photoshop CS, Premier Pro, GIMP, etc., etc., etc. However, one setback would be if you arrived late (PC wouldn't be on, thus Scheduled Tasks would fail because it cannot run). Pay the janitor some money to turn your PC on for you if you really can't arrive 15 minutes early.

Upgrade the PC. RAM is almost always the cause for a slow PC (HDD transfer and CPU speed is also a consideration, but RAM is more important), and often fixed by just adding a 256 MB module (depending on programs started up).

Hopefully my advice will help.

But if you explicitly depend on standby or hibernate, your performance will decrease just as the router does. So shutting down the PC, then turning it back on will help.

Personally, I run XP SP 1 Home on my home PC with only 11 processes (no task manager [ctrl-shift-esc]) and I can start anything I want in little time.

P4 3.066GHz

0.97GB RAM (some addresses are dead)

160 GB 7200 RPM SATA HDD

End Of Rant

I like hibernation, cause I dont like to consume power unnecessarily.  I am having a problem with hibernation (it takes 10 minutes to save the ram, which makes no sense.  maybe a bios problem?).  In standby my problem is that when I place my laptop in my backpack... the fan goes off...I worry about overheating.