World of Warcraft - Game of the... Months?

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Scott McCulloch — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:36:00 GMT

Couldn't agree more.. I am in the exact same position..

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bob — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:03:00 GMT

WoW sucks

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Anon — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:35:00 GMT

Sounds a lot like Everquest :p

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Turbo — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:04:00 GMT

Maybe you should consider joining a guild that is capable of attempting Molten Core or Onyxia's Lair. I gaurantee you both instances offer the challenge you are looking for. Since you have reached 60, you obviously can make the time commitement these instances require.

After my guild started doing these instances, I have rarely ever set foot back in BRS / Strat or Scolo, and I certainly dont sit around looking for a group to do them. Ill start my own with some other guildies if I need to.

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No — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:27:00 GMT

WoW sucks, and so does Blizzard

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Tom Miller — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:39:00 GMT

I've done Molten Core and Onyxia as well, and those are even worse in my opinion.. Ignoring the raid lock bug (which is annoying at best, game breaking at worse), you still ahve the problem of dedicating a few hours (at least) to kill some uber boss that drops 3 items (or maybe only 2) to split between the 40 people in the raid.. Ugh.. Then you have to wait a minimum of 5 days before you can try again (or longer if the raid is set longer like MC is)? Do you realize how many runs of these dungeons you'd need to make to complete a full set of the epics that drop there? Now, mulitply that by 5 for the number of days you gotta wait..

No thanks.

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Burko — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:59:00 GMT

Same position here. I'm looking forward to Guild Wars.

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Murgool — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:09:00 GMT

How many people expect perfection first go? I'd have to say as far as first cut goes, they did ok to keep us entertained for a while. Sure, a lot rests on what they do ongoing to keep us playing, but if you compare $ versus time spent playing, it's cheaper than going to the movies every night.

If you see the game as 'time investment', or 'time sink', and you're simply not enjoying it, then go do something else, for your own sanity's sake, coz it's clear that you're on waaaay too much :)

Cheers,
Murgool.

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Turbo — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:13:00 GMT

So what would you suggest instead of the MC / Onyxia encounters and drop rates? IMO, its not possible for any company to create content that would last for years, when all players get everything they need on 1 or 2 runs of said content. Given that it probably takes a whole team of people months to create a single instance and its encounters, how would you keep the content flowing every few weeks, once existing content is exhausted? The manpower necessary to create hundreds of hours of content is insane: look at how much time it takes a team of 50 people to make a 10 hour single player game nowadays, and you are asking Blizzard to supply well over 10 hours of gameplay every few months. No matter how successful the game is, they cant afford to keep hundreds of designers and artists and programmers on staff to make this happen.

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Tom Miller — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:22:00 GMT

Perhaps if the loot from MC or Onyxia was 'better', the long wait wouldn't be too bad, or if the dungeons would work the way they are supposed to. Perhaps this is why i've never really gotten into the MMO games before, because with my schedule I can't dedicate the time required to go to these big raids all the time. Even if I could, the monotony would kill me.

I actually had a blast the first dozen times through BRS/Strat/Schol, but once the dungeons became trivial it lost it's luster. MC and Onyxia are the same way.. Tons of fun at first, but once you've figured them out, it's just tedium.

Regardless of the time/money/resources involved (or would be involved) in making enough content to make the end game 'more enjoyable', the fact remains that at least for me, it is not. Until it is, my only course of action is to stop paying and stop playing. I'm sure there are scores of people who *enjoy* this type of gameplay, and i'm sure they will continue to play and pay Blizzard for years to come. It's just not for me.

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Lucan — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:40:00 GMT

I agree that the level 60 game is NIY.

I was one of those players that can only play for about 2 hours at a time and i got level 60 no problem.

All i can to now is hang out for raids or kill random crap in the hope of loot(My gear sucks).

This game was vastly different to EQ pre level 60, now it is the same or worse because there is no more character developement.

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ShockWave — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:01:00 GMT

GUILD WARS

GOOGOGOGO

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Golden_Salmon (Salmon Express) — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:20:00 GMT

I agree, though I didn't get that far in WoW during my one month (42 pali, 25 warlock), I grew bored with the game rather quickly. They invented quest grinding, which I hate very much. At first I enjoyed the game a lot, a few quests to get me introduced to it and a decent battle system. The game became so borring I sold it after my month. Now all I do I play Guild Wars. This title seems a LOT more promising than WoW, I cant wait for it!

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RoyYxia — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:03:00 GMT

Some of the original Blizzard members made a new company and started making a game called Guild Wars, it's an online rpg without a monthly fee.

You could try it out www.guildwars.com
There's still two more events before the release on April 28.

I liked a lot of Blizzard games too.
Like Diablo 1 and 2, Starcraft, Warcraft 1 and 2, but older games like Rock N Roll Racing, Blackthorne and Lost Vikings.
World of Warcraft doesn't have that same appealing those games have.

It may be a direct hit from Bill Roper, Jeff Strain and the other leaving the company before World of Warcraft.

Hope they fix the issues soon.

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happy guildwar player — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:27:00 GMT

guildwars !!!

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Mashekle — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:01:00 GMT

Good thing I didnt waste my money on WoW...

GUILD WARS ALL THE WAY!!!!

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Elias — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:44:00 GMT

meh.. maybe we should get Guildwars, i regret to subscribe for 6 months.. do we have to pay for WOW cancelation fee ? we're all fuc*ed by Blizzard now

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GWISbetta — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:50:00 GMT

Guild Wars will be better than WoW. I have a gut feeling here.

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hmmmm — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:45:00 GMT

I play World of Warcraft too.

While I agree with most of the rant, I personally think it is very important to *remember* What an accomplishment WoW is.

It is truly a "world" to be seen. It probably has the most breathtaking world ever. The amazing use of color and art does not stop to stun me. Unfortunate gaphics does not make a game.

My biggest problem with WoW is that it has NOT hold true to its promise about being "casual friendly".

Im a PvP guy. I dont have a problem with the lack of Battlegrounds and PvP honor system - But the PvP is not fair. Im not even talking about balance here between the classes. Or even the talents - Compare a shadow speced priest to other priest builds, and you will know what I mean with imbalance.

But also the hugh empathy on uber items and long grind.

It makes me want to scream.

But seriously - This game does not even have player housing! The cities is as dead as rocks. And static and uninteractive aswell!

On top of this? The crafting is awful. I come from SWG so it makes me puke to see. And speaking of SWG that is a game that actually is going in the right way.. In under 2 months they have revamped their PvP system! In over 3 months Blizzard has given us NOTHING. Nothing worthwhile at all.

And the game has allmost 1,5 million people playing. Vivendi are laughing all the way to the bank! 15 bucks a month from 1,5 million people... Are we honorstly going to belive that all these money are going into server maitimance? With the ignorance of emgergency fixes? huh? with the lag? with the broken promise and lies about europeans being able to play with americans? with the lies about the character transfer?

Still... All this would be irelevant if the PvP worked. But fact is that skill does not matter in this game... the game features fast paced, but still tedious sandwhich combat. Come on... Even Diablo 2 outshines wow on this! Not animation wise, but WoW combat is awful and unbalanced.

the guy with the best items win.. this is suicide for all casual/normal gamers wanting to try battlegrounds! they are going to be raped.. because they couldnt farm BRD or oxy...

and now I see all these.. "OMFG guild wars is gonna pwn" comments.. I look forwad to GW but it will have its own host of problems - I will tell you that.

its so stupid..

back in EQ... everyone said; "ohh look... DAOC and AO are gonna pwn ur n00b butts SOE!!!"... then does game dissapointed and everyone wanted SWG, FFXI and Horizons... then does game dissapointed and everyone was on EQ2 and WoW... And look now..

the most beloved pc developer of all time(along with black isle and bioware) is fading in the dust, being hated...

its gonna be the same with guild wars. just wait and see, when their servers will get unstable and crash.. when stupid not worthwhile expansions will get released and people will hack and exploit arenanets servers... then people will cry again.

wow is not a bad game.. of course it aint. audio.. humor... graphic... level of detail.. world design... some of the quests(but most are tedious) its all genius.

BUT WHAT IS NOT GENIUS is the linear way everything is done.

In WoW everyone looks ALIKE... the most retarded character creation i have seen... look at SWG or CoH - Does games have tons of players still dedicated because their avatar looks so uniqe... people dont want to play pale wc3 units.. the models are so limited looking:( dissapointing at best!

but in wow the game is linear. this goes against the concept of a MMORPG. and MUDS... MULTI USER DUNGEONS... Open ended adventure games - WoW takes this and totally turns around into a final fantasy game.

every paladin is doing the same things at lvl 20. getting the same rewards at lvl 27.. doing the same dungeons at lvl 30.. only few builds are competitive.. everyone looks the same.. everyone feels the same. customization is not there.

everyone hunts the same things..

at least in normal MMORPGs people go out and explore and hunt their own places in the world.. get random drops - this at least made everyone have individual experiences. you cant say about that in wow..

the world is totally non dynamic. the quests you do does not affect the world.. nomatter how many defias, kobold or murloc quests you do, nomatter race or class, its not gonna change.. oxy will spawn again if you kill her..

the scam of wow is its so casual friendly approach.. bah.

personally i also despise wows lack of originality and innovation. you cant even select multiple choices when taking quests or talking to npcs..

ohh... and the community is by far the worst I have ever seen in an computer game. its actually worse than lineage 2, FFXI and RO..

The most saddest thing? Either big sites like IGN or gamespots know nothing about MMORPGs, or else they have been bought out by vivendi, because does reviews are complete and utter false.

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strider — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:12:00 GMT

Guildwars is just way better, try it!

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Tantor — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:23:00 GMT

If you guys were to play 15 minutes or even 150 hours like I have you would put WoW up for sale on ebay and grab Guild Wars and simply thank GOD for it.

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Tantor — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:24:00 GMT

If you guys were to play 15 minutes or even 150 hours like I have you would put WoW up for sale on ebay and grab Guild Wars and simply thank GOD for it.

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Mark Davis — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:50:00 GMT

I love WoW and still see the potential to be enjoying the game in months to come. I could understand that, if you're a hard core player, you'll always be among the first to hit the limits of the existing content. Perhaps there could be an option to retire your level 60 character to another server, where you can all fight each other for glory, loot and all that.

Perhaps you're one of those players who races through everything? Not me. I congratulate Blizzard's efforts to produce a balanced game and not just pander to one gamer type. They've redefined the MMORPG genre to a point where casual play is finally available to the rest of us.

I was surprised when those players got banned. The term "high-end content abuse" doesn't make sense since this is entirely allowable within the game rules. There needs to be a clearer definition of what is acceptable behavior, as opposed to what can be done within the game rules. Perhaps this area wasn't explored enough during the beta - I'm sure this social aspect will evolve and improve over time.

I don't think any online game can meet the needs of everyone. WoW does offer the upcoming Battlegrounds that I presume will give level 60s something to do (a good thing, since some bored level 60s can spoil things for the rest of us).

For me, WoW's greatest acheivement is that I can enjoy it without handing my life over. I can solo or group with ease, take my time exploring or farm like a crazy guy.

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GW — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:38:00 GMT

Glad I don't go for a pay per month game instead, but go for an even better game, Guild Wars!!!

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Mike — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:00:00 GMT

Couldn't agree more.

By the way; GUILD WARS!!

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FoxMan — Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:57:00 GMT

What did you expect from Blizzard? They have had some of the worst customer relations\PR in the industry for YEARS. Just because you're paying a monthly fee doesn't mean the zebra is going to change it's stripes.

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WOW-exFanboi — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:06:00 GMT

I'd rather suck a dog's ball than paying $15 each month for playing a fedex game, Blizzard definitely suck ass

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rar — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:48:00 GMT

Yeah guild wars kicks ass

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TheAssMan — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:22:00 GMT

Damn a lot of you guys seriously need to get a life

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drivehappy — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:13:00 GMT

I've got WoW as well (lvl 52, and a few 20's and 30's). Their main problem is that they cannot keep their servers up for more than two days. I played a lot of DiabloII and WarcraftIII on Battle.net and I cannot remember a time when it was down. They've been having problems with their servers ever since I purchased the game. I was trying to play last Saturday, and couldn't. Just yesterday I was on Lothar, which is part of this group of servers that has had trouble the most the last week, the entire Azeroth continent side goes down. Half of my friends list is instanstly dropped and 15 minutes later I'm kicked out of the game.

It's like their good software engineers were pulled from WoW once it was finished and moved to a new game, while they put 2 or 3 persons who probably don't know what they're doing.

I've got the 6 month plan, I'll stick it out because I still like playing a lot (there's some high level areas I haven't done, different class types).

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JRP — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:09:00 GMT

DO all MMOs have as many problems as WoW does when they first come out? I just want to play the game and the servers are always down. How is it that a company that sells hundreds of thousands of games can't keep the servers running? That just seems unimaginable to me.

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Nathan — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:33:00 GMT

Tom, any opinions on some of the new "content" they are adding with the next patch that will hopefully be out on March 18th (according to http://www.wow-europe.com/)?

Its not much, but some of it looks interesting and there are some class balances being put in as well as a lot of bug fixes. Granted, it shouldn't have taken this long and i've been anxiously awaiting the supposed "monthly" content as well.

I also am disappointed by Blizzards extremely poor customer service and communication level on the forums. For once, they could learn something from SOE of all people, who have been notorious in the past for giving customers a hard time.

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joey — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:14:00 GMT

WOW, is the most overhyped MMORPG ever. The sad thing is all the players who refuse to admit that it does nothing innovative. I can't believe this game got such great reviews when absolutely every single thing in it is an exact carbon copy of a different mmorpg. OH and btw - The graphics suck - WOW's graphics remind me of summoner, or darkstone, both of which were out years and years ago. Blizzard makes great single player games, they will never be competent enough to make a constantly engaging mmorpg, simply because they have a bunch of 90 year old grandmas programming. If it takes you more than 1 month to make a content patch, test it, and release it, your screwed in mmorpg's. I don't mind waiting an extra year for a single player game to be released with relative perfection, but WOW is the WORST Blizzard has ever done. Content that was promised with the game, isn't even there. STILL ISNT. Bugs that were in the game during BETA 1, are STILL THERE. Now they are banning people for making too much money... 1000 accounts already.

The only thing INNOVATIVE was the "waiting in line QUEUE" just to play a game you pay EVERY MONTH for. What a sad state mmorpg's are in, if this becomes the status quo.

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Darkstone — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 03:43:00 GMT

Okay, everyone shut up about Guild Wars. Try playing a pay-to-play game and meet some people in it, then play Guild Wars. See a difference in community? I sure do, when you don't pay to play then people are crazy and all they do is beg, insult people and talk all 1337 and think they're cool when, in fact, they are not.

I'm not saying which game is better because then it would be biased and I'd just end up taking sides which is idiotic and is what people in the above posts have been doing, not to mention wasting their own and other people's time.

If you buy WoW, enjoy it and take your time in it to enjoy it to it's fullest extent. Guild Wars, buy it if you're a cheapskate who can't afford a decent game so they go for the one that everyone tells them to buy. Both choices are good and bad in their own ways, but don't just make a post for no apparent reason just to tell the world what game you choose to buy, because that makes you an imbecile with nothing better to do than play MMORPGS all their lives.

Go outside for a change, if you remember where the door is from your computer.

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Sniffer — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:46:00 GMT

Tom Miller you have been seen as an enemy to Blizzard.

Please note that your account will be terminated asap.

This decision is final.

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Remigius — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:06:00 GMT

Glad I came across this here Blog before buying the game... I really thought WoW was going to be quite innovative, with Instance Dungeons, mounts and all other interesting features that were promised. Lucky for me Blizzard pulled of a marketing trick here in Europe by supplying way to few copies of the game when they released, just to increase the hype a bit more. It really bothers me to see that selling games (actually software in general) comes down to marketing for 90%.

As for the problems MMORPGs seem to be experiencing, some things are so realiy apparent it amazes me that respected companies like Blizzard attempt to create a MMORPG at all... I've helped at a small-time online world based on Neverwinter Nights (NWN) and all problems we experienced hold true for these big MMORPGs.

1) Player game-time

MMORPGS inherently have the problem of differences in game-time available to players. Because of this, it's virtually impossible to satisfy everyone. Sooner or later there will be players that have seen and done everything in your world, while you simply can't move on with the story line without making the players with less game-time feel left behind.

2) Continuous need for new content

An obvious one, but paying players will want to see new content, as often as possible and the more, the better. Playing the same dungeon over and over again and seeing the same enemies/envirnments is not easily accepted by paying players.

3) Balancing issues / "Nerfing"

As Tom described in the Mind Soothe example it's much easier to change a global 'rule' to fix a problem, than to check and correct all instances where the current implementation of the 'rule' causes problems.

We've quite had some experiences with this as well at our NWN world and it's a guaranteed way to piss players off. People play to become a power to be reckoned with in an online world, making them less powerful won't make them happy, especially when it's done to cover up for mistakes in the game.

4) Underestimated continuous investment

MMORPG Players will demand new content, quality support and whatnot in exchange for the money they paid for buying the game and the money they pay to play the game.

Since the game can only be played online and player know there's supposedly a 'team' behind the online world providing the new things they want, they'll have high expectations. Meeting these expectations is a costly task which requires a dedicated, professional team to manage. And this in turn means a continuous investment from the game company, which is only realistic considering their pay-to-play money making scheme.

Alas, as drivehappy pointed out, a lot of companies simply ship the game and hold out on their players for as long as possible with providing new content and updates, just to maximize their profit. If you can get the profit you want by telling players that updates are on the way, why prioritize the actual releases of these updates? .. same goes for CAPping levels and not raising the CAP; people will just start a new character, continuing to play and pay, without you having to do anything.

5) MMORPG Players have minds of their own

Sounds stupid, maybe, but it does make sense. Human players will always (try to) do things you haven't thought of while developing. This will cause disappointment or may give players an opportunity to exploit a fault your game.

Add to this that everyone will want to be the most powerful character in the world (which in turn causes jealousy and hence undue complaints, camping, OOC interaction and whatnot) and that people simply are unpredictable, and you'll have a completely unmanagable situation on your hands.

So, MMORPGs simply don't work, at least not yet and at least not in the long run. Blizzard made a valiant attempt to change this situation, but from what I can read here they failed as well. A pitty.

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Remigius — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:33:00 GMT

Oh, and I stll haven't found out how to get vertex data from a Mesh loaded from an X-file thanks to this topic... stupid WoW :p

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Hey — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:54:00 GMT

Hey if someone have good wow hacks, i need some. My msn is thjarsen@jubiimail.dk plz add me and send me some cheats it would be great :D.

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pol — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:35:00 GMT

take a poo

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Guild wars — Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:22:00 GMT

I have played WoW, Since it has started till now, I have loved the game, but all these issues erk me. I am moving on to better things. I have looked into guild wars so far, read alot about it, it looks like a great game. A game based on skill other than time.

www.Guildwars.com

Could not hurt checking it out, Wonderful fun game from what I have veiwed. My days of WoW are long gone. The Future of MMO's - Guildwars

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Anonoman — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:58:00 GMT

I have never owned a MMO till WOW, but have played others using friends accounts to try them out. I've played EQ, DAoC, and CoH and have found them to be not my idea of a 'fun' time. Again a friend said I sould try WOW and again I logged onto his account and created a chacter and begain playing. Only when my friend told me I had to go home because he wanted to play did I find out that I really enjoyed WOW.

I thought that as time passed I would forget about WOW like I did with all the other MMORPG i played before. I was wrong, and found ways to 'drop by' my friend's place to play a little WOW. I NEVER did this with EQ or DAoC, so I decided to take the plunge and buy WOW.

Maybe it's because I have never really spent any amount of time playing the other MMORPGs to know better but I really enjoy WOW.

I am a VERY casual player and in the 3 months of owning WOW I DON't have a lvl 60 character. I don't even have a lvl 40 character (although my mage is lvl 39). I find I want to push to 40 to get my mount and because of this I am playing more but still no more than 2 hours at a time and usually only 3-4 nights a week (oh the pain of having a life/wife outside of gaming!)

I enjoy the cartoonie graphics, love the music, enjoy the fact I can solo most things(but my guild is great for elite questing). Because I don't spend every waking hour playing this game I find i'm really enjoying the time I do spend playing it.

There are issues though! The servers really bug me. As I have said before I don't spend a lot of time playing but when I do find the time I really want to play. When logging on to WOW and finding I'm 1638 in the que .... grrrrr, or even better to find that my server is down and I don't even get the hope of playing... dubble grrrr.

To the people who say give it time and it'll get better....

It'll probable take another 2 months to get to lvl 60 and if there are no battle grounds or other so called add-ons by then ... THEN I will be upset to say the least.

I rambled enough so I'll close by saying that as of now with the amount of time I play, WOW is still a great game to play .... imo

World of Warcraft se une a los MMORPGs mal coordinados

El Rinc — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:05:37 GMT

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