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What build tools does Microsoft use?

This is the most common question I get when talking with customers.

I think it is important to point out that Microsoft does not have specific rules that every product development team has to follow. Instead we have a lot of best practices or guidelines on what or how to run a product group. This is flexible by design - some processes or tools may work for some groups but can be a real hindrance to others. My observation has been that the Windows team tends to be the de facto leader when it comes to the best build tools and processes. Since each product is rather unique, there are some information exchanges on what works in the Windows team and then the questioning product team decides on what they can/will adopt to improve their processes. I guess the assumption is when a process works for a group with over 2000 developers (Windows), it is safe to assume that it will scale down just as effectively.

So to answer the question, currently we use in-house developed tools with a movement of adopting the VSTS tools (NOTE: some of the VSTS tools that will ship are what we have been using internally for years such as prefast) that will be available when Whidbey (Visual Studio 2005) ships (see Soma’s blog). I do not think we have any statistics on what percentage of developers use Visual Studio for their code editor but it has to be in the very high 90’s (I mean how can you beat VS’s intellisense and debugging!). For the build in the various build labs, build.exe is very popular with MSBuild.exe gaining some ground. Some groups use nmake and makefiles and some have developed their own wrappers for devenv (command-line tool for Visual Studio builds).

 

What should you be using?

 

I always tell my customers to adopt MSBuild asap. It is the future of builds at MS and a very powerful tool (see Alex’s blog).

If you insist on using devenv then you should use Andy Reeves wrapper. He is keeping the xml tags compatible with MSBuild’s so this is a nice transition tool if you are hesitant in using MSBuild. I have got a lot of good feedback on this tool.

 

 

Published Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:25 PM by vincem
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# re: What build tools does Microsoft use?

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:21 AM by Adam
Do you have any real expectation that NT (probably the world's largest single company software project) will switch from build.exe and the internal source control system to VSTS in the next 3 years? Does VSTS even claim to support a development group/tree that big?

# re: What build tools does Microsoft use?

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:10 AM by Alex

I've been using FinalBuilder for my builds... it has a great UI and builds visualstudio projects (and even has an action for msbuild).

I suppose the best thing about it is that it's very easy to use and doesn't require that you understand the command line for the tool you're using as long as FinalBuilder has build in integration for it.

Url is http://www.finalbuilder.com

# re: What build tools does Microsoft use?

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:26 PM by vincem
Well I can't speak for the NT(Windows) guys but I think the writing is on the wall:
- At MS we always "eat our own dog food".
- Soma is the VP of the Dev tools division at MS and spent many years in upper management in the NT group.
- The VSTS team is very serious about making this product scalable to a group of Windows size and larger (if one exists)- With SQL at the backend of VSTS, this is pretty much a 'no-brainer'.
- Lastly, my contacts in Windows tell me 'yes (no time commitment), and some teams in Windows have already adopted or is working closely with the VSTS team to ease the transition.'

# re: What build tools does Microsoft use?

Friday, November 19, 2004 5:03 AM by Andrew
Another one we've been using with great success for years is Visual Build Pro:
http://www.visualbuild.com/
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