All About "Application Locked"

re: All About "Application Locked"

shawn — Thu, 31 May 2007 07:23:00 GMT

so short of using the unlocking app that is floating around, how do you remove the app lock?

re: All About "Application Locked"

Scott Yost — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:17:34 GMT

If the device is configured like the "locked" state again then that was the choice of the mobile operator or OEM. If there were a way to circumvent the policy I wouldn't be able to discuss it here anyway.

re: All About "Application Locked"

Charyo Chokro — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:16:59 GMT

There is a debate going on several fora on whether WM5 can be upgarded to WM6 on motorala q phones: http://www.everythingq.com/forum/software/upgrading-wm-5-wm-6-moto-q-8031.html#post50941

Can you guys comment anonymously if such an upgrade is doable?

re: All About "Application Locked"

Scott Yost — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:58:40 GMT

Sorry, that paragraph refers to the location of the CAB when you have installed the SDK on a desktop machine. It has nothing to do with an install of a new operating system on the device.

re: All About "Application Locked"

Juan Felipe Rincon — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:14:53 GMT

Scott,

Here's one piece of advice, having come from the operator part of the universe of WinMobile -- I was doing developer relations for a US operator when we launched a SmartPhone built on WinMobile 2003. The company got two different messages from Microsoft: from the folks managing the product side of WinMobile, the general recommendation on locking/unlocking the phone tended to go to the "lock it down, be concerned about rogue applications, someone could issue a DOS attack and bring you down" FUD and bugaboo route. The message from MSDN folks was "unlock it, unlock it, make it easy for developers" at some points or "Mobile 2 Market is how developers need to be going, so lock it down" at some others.

It was hard to argue for a sane approach to application security inside the company with that kind of multimessage/complexity from Microsoft. So, when the phone got to market, it was as locked down as SmartPhone could be because it really was the one requiring the least amount of thinking.

The net result was that many people who bought apps for their phone would get the "locked" message and ask us how to unlock it (I remember seeing a developer support ticket from someone who was begging us to unlock it for her: "I just want to install my Bible on it"). Fortunately, the operator launched a remote unlock client to make it possible for someone in developer relations to take mercy on the poor customer who bought a phone that was tighter than Fort Knox -- and nowadays the group that used to take mercy on those poor souls is no longer doing open developer support, so that avenue is now closed permanently.

I think that there's a certain amount of work the MSDN and WinMobile product groups should do to make sure that the message for operators is consistent regarding the locking/unlocking choices, particularly for the two-tier or three-tier security strategies. Otherwise, you'll continue finding yourself explaining this additionally complex multi-tiered schema in addition to explaining the multi-tiered levels of trust an application can have in addition to explaining the multi-tiered WM Platform definition (and how Microsoft Marketing decided to rename the new platform so that the terms you knew 2 years ago when you settled on the OS for the device are now not what people are talking about... it's horrifying.

I think part of the reason why the WM 5.0 PPC Phone Edition / WM 6.0 Professional edition devices have been so well received is because the platform doesn't make it that easy for an operator to put an enormous padlock around the box and not notice the difficulties it creates really quickly.The two-tier security model works if the operator really understands that there needs to be a real way for customers to get applications; otherwise, it's just bad for the platform and for the folks writing the software for it.

Phew.

re: All About "Application Locked"

Salman — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:52:20 GMT

i used this to application unlock my spv e650 but once i clicked provision it said ur device is two-tier and to contact the mobile provider, i wish i had got the vox instead of the spv, as ive heard application unlock on that is a lot easier....

re: All About "Application Locked"

Frida — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:23:19 GMT

Hi.

Can you help me please with a provisioning problem on Windows Mobile 6?

I tried to send a NET setting on HTC S710 and the phone can't recieve the setting. If I send the setting with RapiConfig, then the setting is saved correctly. If I sent on my old HTC Excalibur this setting it worked fine.

Do you know which security policie values have to modify to be able to provisioning the phone under Windows Mobile 6? (I allready modified the 4097, 4101,4102, 4119, 4122, 4123 values but nothing changed :( )

Thx. Frida (fridahauler@vipmail.hu)

re: All About "Application Locked"

Aarthi Ramamurthy — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:30:23 GMT

Frida - you could connect your device to Visual Studio "Orcas" and open Device Security Manager (if you don't have Visual Studio installed, you could use the powertoy available separately for download) and check what configuration your phone currently has.

Using the same Device Security Manager, you can provision your phone to allow CABs to get installed.

Aarthi

re: All About "Application Locked"

eli — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:47:14 GMT

how do i unlock the wing.its asking for password.but i found the phone.please someone help

re: All About "Application Locked"

bARB — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:36:45 GMT

I found a wing a couple of months ago and it is password protected. I just had a friend who now has a charger that works with it. How do I unlock the phone?

Model zabezpieczeń w Windows Mobile a urządzenia typu Smartphone

arkadiusz.wasniewski — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:53:52 GMT

Wraz z systemami Windows Mobile 5.0 i Windows Mobile 6 wprowadzono nowych model zabezpieczeń (security

re: All About "Application Locked"

jp — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:39:02 GMT

I am very disappointed at you to choose this kind of security model. It makes things hard for consumers to get any application running on their phones and it's actually just all about business and purchasing certificates that would allow the applications to run in the system.

I have to say that i regret buying Windows Mobile. I wish i had known that when it comes to Microsoft it will never work.